Looking ahead at 2012
Trying not to get too far ahead of things considering that we are still in the thick of a division race this year. But I can't help but think of this coming off-season and what it'll bring. Who wouldn't love to have CC Sabathia if/when he opts out? Who wouldn't want to sign CJ Wilson? Or Pujols, Fielder, or Reyes for that matter? I'm saying we will get none of them... and really don't need one of them.
I recommend three FA signings this off-season and one blockbuster trade that I believe is realistic. I'm going to keep the payroll in mind as well. This seasons payroll is $139M. When I first drafted next seaons team, the payroll ballooned up to just over $171M... but I managed some of my expectations and brought it down to just about $149M, just $10M over where it is this season. And with some creativity by one Tony Reagins, namely offsetting contracts, it could be a lot lower. But I know there are some creative minds on here that can figure all that out, but to make it easier on me, I'll go w/ the average number of dollars over the years. Ready, here goes.
Sign one of these two starting pitchers; Ryan Dempster for 2yrs/$18M, or Aaron Harang for 2yrs$14M. This signing represents are 4th starter behind Weaver, Haren, and Santana.
Sign relief pitcher Jeremy Affeldt for 2yrs/$6M. Affeldt represents more of the above average reliever. He fits in nicely, and adding a huge boost to a bullpen in need of an upgrade.
Sign Mark Kotsay to a 1yr/$500K contract. Kotsay fills a need at 1st base and in the outfield as a fill-in and the occasional off day.
Trade Peter Bourjos ($800K), Erick Aybar ($5M), and Tyler Chatwood ($500K) to the Mets for David Wright ($15M).
Lastly, you'll see one prospect brought up in Jean Segura. Maicer will groom him for 2013.
Here is my 25 man roster along with 2012 salary (Including assessed arbitration dollars):
C. Hank Conger - $600K
1st. Mark Trumbo - $1.2M (Kendrys Morales received a simliar salary after his break-out season).
2nd. Howard Kendrick - $5M
SS. Maicer Isturis - $3.8M
3rd. David Wright - $15M
LF. Vernon Wells - $21M
CF. Mike Trout - $400K
RF. Torii Hunter - $18M
DH. Kendrys Morales - $3M (Can't see him getting a notable payraise based on injury).
Bench 1. Bobby Wilson - $480K (Realistically, it'll be Mathis due to Scioscia's love for him... One can dream).
Bench 2. Bobby Abreu - $9M
Bench 3. Alberto Callaspo - $3.5M
Bench 4. Mark Kotsay - $500K
Bench 5. Jean Segura - $420K
SP1. Jered Weaver - $17M
SP2. Dan Haren - $12.75M
SP3. Ervin Santana - $11.2M
SP4. Ryan Dempster - $9M (Or Aaron Harang at $7M).
SP5. Garrett Richards - $500K (or Jerome Williams at $500K have open competition in ST for the 5th slot).
BP1. Rich Thompson - $450K
BP2. Bobby Cassevah - $450K
BP3. Hisanori Takahashi - $4.2M
BP4. Jeremy Affeldt - $3M
Set-up. Scott Downs - $5M
Closer. Jordan Walden - $600K (May be higher).
The line-up should look like this:
2. Howard kendrick
3. David Wright
4. Kendrys Morales
5. Mark Trumbo
6. Torii Hunter
7. Vernon Wells
8. Hank Conger
9. Mike Trout
I'd love to see Trout be able to bat 3rd one day and bump everybody back one.
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You have some good ideas, but trading Peter Bourjos is not one of them.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Sep 13, 2011 3:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Damn it I know! Petey is one of my favorites...
I wonder if the Mets would take Aybar, Chatwood, and Richards instead? What do you think it would take?
Also...
With keeping Petey, we’re forced to trade one of Abreu or lucky us, Wells. Eating Abreu’s salary would be easier but Wells is probably the easier PLAYER (Not salary) to move. Either way, we’d be eating close to $7M of Abreu’s or $13M of Wells. I still think I’d rather eat Abreu’s and use Wells in RF in 2013.
yep, With the way bourjos is hitting and the defensive value he provides he is competing with weaver for most valuable player on the team
And as much as we need power in the lineup, we need bourjos in the OF.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 13, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
You lost when when it was clear your 2012 team was going to rely on TR making the moves
Sorry – the first move this offseason is to give TR the opportunity to find employment elsewhere.
by mustard_man on Sep 13, 2011 4:36 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
huh
You think TR still deserves a job after the shit he’s pulled?
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
No I'm a realist...
TR isn’t going to be fired this offseason.
They'll listen to offers (why wouldn't they)
But he’s the home grown star for the Mets. Going to take a much stronger package than that to get him.
by dulciusXasperis on Sep 14, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd include him for someone like Wright
but since that is not happening he’ll stay. I doubt the rest of the league values him as much as we do.
Two years of Wright really isn't worth five years of Bourjos.
2011 thusfar: Bourjos – 4.4 WAR, Wright – 1.8 WAR
Wright was injured half the season.
Wright hasn’t put up 4 WAR a year since 2008.
Wright has had negative defensive WAR for four seasons in a row.
Wright costs an annualized 15.5M a year over the remaining two years of his contract.
As a value proposition, Bourjos > Wright.
Wright is a nice piece, but he costs too much in salary and trade capital, and we’d be praying for his health for the full two years we’d have him.
But Reagins is GREAT at projects like that
Just imagine where we would be if he hadnt traded for Kaz and Wells.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 14, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Disapprove trading of Bourjos
Unless Jerome Williams’ cinderella story ends soon, we have our 4th starter already. 5th spot should be a mix of Chatwood/Richards staggered so as not to log a ton of innings on their arm.
While that is a rich package for Wright, I don’t see the deal happening unless there’s considerable cash coming back to the Angels FO. Then again, after what TR pulled with the Wells deal, we will NEVER see cash again as part of a trade.
And what is this “need” we have at 1B?? If anything, it’s a freakin logjam at that position as we have several guys already under contract that can fill in at 1B and rotate in/out of that position. We do not need to spend money at 1B at all.
With an eye on payroll, I don’t see many moves being made. Unless a miracle donor/ Wells opt-out/ TR gets fired situation happens first.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
2012?
what about 2011 and our WS victory
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
by DAD OF VLAD on Sep 13, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Another aging super star with probably his best years behind him? Swell.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
Citi has killed him
No one likes that stadium (except pitchers). Piazza was interviewed on 9/11 and he said he’d hate to play at Citi Field.
He’s still got that power and I think it would translate well in Anaheim. His defense has been shaky though.
by dulciusXasperis on Sep 14, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
How come nobody has mentioned what dumb move signing Mark Kotsay would be?
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
by ryanfea on Sep 13, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Or Ryan Dumpster?
Ruin of fantasy teams across the nation.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
dempster sucks, harang is decent but never pitched in al
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 13, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He pitched with Oakland. Didn't he come up with them?
I remember him being solid but not great when he was with the A’s.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
ERA+'s last few seasons
2008—155, wow!
2009—122
2010—109
2011—83
Steadily declining to well below average and aging (will be 35 next year) pitcher. Nice thought, but pass.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I wouldn't exactly call it dumb...
He’s someone that can play all three OF positions, and 1st base. He’s also been on championship clubs. Not a lot of guys in baseball like that anymore.
But he sucks at baseball...
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
by ryanfea on Sep 13, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Irrelevant. Come on. You think we're making a baseball team here?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Haven't you seen how hot his wife is?
. . . . . smokin’
by Wally's World on Sep 17, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd really like to extend Howie
and also trade Abreu while eating half his salary. There’s no place for him on this team next year.
DO NOT TENDER MATHIS A CONTRACT.
Finally, I’m ok with relying on Williams, Chatwood, Richards to round out our rotation, but since there are no 3B on the market (Ramirez really wants to be a Cub again) it might make sense to use the money off the books plus what we save from Abreu+Mathis+Pineiro (about 15 mil in total) to sign CJ Wilson.
Wilson would give us a 1-4 comparable to the Phillies (comparable, not equal) and our offense has produced enough this year to give us a fighting chance, so next year we would feel confident about being in a pennant race.
No bullpen sigings, but stick whoever is lowest on our starter depth chart (probably Richards) in the bullpen and have the second lowest start in AAA to keep a rhythm in case of a call up.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions
We think a lot alike.
I’d give Bell, Richards, and Chatwood and open competition for the fifth spot. Winner gets it, second place goes to AAA to keep stretched out, loser is the mop up guy in the pen.
as much as i would like wright, i'm cool with one more year of...
izzy and callaspo while keeping an eye on luis jimenez when he gets called up to salt lake. interesting comps with him and trumbo for a full season at aa arkansas.
trumbo age (23), games (137), hr (15), rbi (88), sb (6), bb (37), so (126), ave. (.291), obp (.333), slg (.452), ops (.785), 2b (36)
jimenez age (23), games (125), hr (18), rbi (94), sb (15), bb (27), so (72), ave. (.290), obp (.335), slg (.487), ops (.821), 2b (40)
wow, less walks than trumbo... thats kinda scary.
Otherwise he looks good though.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 13, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference is, Lucho doesn't strikeout much either.
His defense at 3B is still pretty raw though.
.....what?
The Mets are as likely to trade Wright as we are Trout. Also PBO is more valuable than Wright in terms of WAR (by a lot this year). Also Wright is more expensive. Also that trade is awful.
-Mark Kotsay would be awesome at 1B if we didnt already have like twelve of those.
-Giving multiple year deals to relievers is ALWAYS a bad idea. (even though I love me some Scott Downs, it just isnt wise)
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
When looking at Bourjos and Wright WAR though
It’s important to compare current 3B WAR to Wright and who would replace Bourjos in CF.
If Wright replaces Callaspo, it’s an average of 2.95 WAR improvement and if Wright is his worst and Callaspo his best, it’s a 0.6 WAR improvement (only looking at seasons with PA > 600). If you replace Bourjos with Trout, you’re looking at a loss of 1.8 WAR (given the lack of PAs, I had to use this year’s stats adjusted for PAs).
That means that if Wright and Callaspo perform according to their averages, it’s a net benefit for the Angels. If Callaspo has another great year like this year (especially his defense) and Bourjos remains better than Trout then it’s a net loss. I guess that’s what makes it a gamble. But it’s not a ludacrous gamble.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I recognize upon reread that I need to evaluate this more consistently
While I attempt to crunch, I’ll give you this- Callaspo’s average WAR per 100 PA is 0.33 while Wright’s is 0.70.
Bourjos is 0.88 while Trout is 0.73 WAR/100 PAs.
Make of that what you will.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Taking WAR out to the hundreths place is folly.
It’s not that accurate, folks. You can’t compare one guy at 3.8 vs. a guy at 3.6 and know who is better. Just can’t do it, and that’s only to the 10th’s place.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Those are rates
Over a season of 600 PAs, that amounts to Callaspo at 1.98 and Wright at 4.2. That’s a material difference.
Or for Bourjos it’s 5.28 and Trout 4.38. That is also a material difference.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
We've heard that WAR estimates can have up to 15% margin of error.
That doesn’t mean that it is consistently inaccurate, or consistently inaccurate to that 15% margin limit.
And we know that it is most uncertain in its defensive estimations, and that it gets better over multiple seasons worth of data vs single seasons.
But saying that a 3.8 vs a 3.6 WAR player might be roughly equivalent isn’t the same as saying that WAR is “not that accurate”. I think that overstates the case.
Wright is in decline
Bourjos is young and getting betting. He is also significantly less expensive.
I would rather have Pujols or Fielder.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I'm with you on Pujols and Fielder
But you’re not really exchanging Bourjos for Wright. You’re exchanging Wright for Callaspo and Trout for Bourjos.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
The future is Bourjos and Trout in the OF
they can, and SHOULD, co-exist.
Trout does not have the arm for CF, like not even close.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I like that idea
I was only looking at 2012.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
And Reagins was only looking at 2011 when he traded for Wells, creating this crazy world now where people think we need to trade Bourjous to make room for Trout.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Trout vs Wells
If we are comparing, the biggest improvement in terms of WAR on this team is not Wright for Callaspo, or Trout for Bourjos, but Trout for Wells. Callaspo returned a 3.4 WAR already this year while sharing his position, and Bourjos’ defense combined with an offense that will most likely keep improving on an already 3.4 oWAR is impressive. It’s Wells -0.3 WAR that needs replacing, not getting rid of a young stud like Bourjos.
by stereoscopic on Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Mistake
The biggest improvement in terms of WAR…. DFA Mathis
by stereoscopic on Sep 13, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Really… any player with negative WAR should be gone right? By definition of WAR.
But of course, Mathis is net positive this year. A whole premium 0.2 WAR.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
-0.3 WAR
oWAR = 0.3
dWAR = -0.6
and for all the useless hits he’s gotten this season, Vernon is 3 Offensive Runs Above Replacement
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
Source
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wellsve01.shtml
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
Absolutely
And we are gonna get that next year. Abreu is already being turned into a platoon player with Hunter and Wells playing DH or outfielder. Trout and Bourjos will play at least 130 games in the outfield at the same time next season.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Yeah, I don't agree with that logic.
One isn’t exchanging Bourjos for Trout when both players are playing the same field more often than not.
What you are doing is putting more of Wells, Abreu or some other substitute in the field than you do today.
I figured he was going the Pete Rose route
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Wright?
What is everyones infatuation with him? He can’t stay healthy and his play has been declining for a couple years now.
Beltre should be our third baseman.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 13, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
Losing out on Beltre was a huge mistake
Assuming Ramirez’ option is exercised, there are no free agent 3B out there. And there are virtually none that could be reasonably acquired in a trade.
Beltre was a valuable player – and worth fighting to sign. More than Crawford. Just imagine the team with Beltre and if we kept Napoli. Oh wait, another team already did…
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 13, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Reagins failure to land Beltre cost us this season.
If he had, we would have NO wells, might still have the BEST hitting catcher in the Majors on our roster, and as you point out, Texas would be without BOTH those pieces which are the very difference in the standings!. Reagins is a idiot and needs to be shit-canned IMMEDIATELY.
by Wally's World on Sep 17, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ramirez doesn't think he will return to Chicago
He would bring great offense to the position but his defense is not the greatest. Then there is the idea of how long he wants his contract to be considering he will be 34 in June next year.
Oh
and why is Trumbo making $1.2MM? He’s not eligible for arbitration right now and I certainly wouldn’t consider extending him until he can prove he can take a pitch. If Morales can return from his injury and be anything close to the player he once was, then Trumbo becomes pretty expendable.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
Players who hit the crap out of the ball
without taking walks DO have their place if they can continue to produce. However, they tend to decline sharply.
Trumbo is fine batting 6th, ideally.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
^ this ^
please engrave on a plaque to attach to the forehead of every dipshit whose brain turns off after three letters OBP
by Rev Halofan on Sep 13, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Mickey Hatcher signs up first, then Soth.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
I'd say that those players have a place if there are players with good plate discipline around them.
Otherwise I agree.
But having Trumbo surrounded by hackers diminished Trumbo’s value.
Big if
Morales returning is questionable at best right now. Trumbo has been smashing the ball all year to lead this team in HR and RBI’s, two categories I don’t see as expendable on a team with an offensively anemic offense.
by stereoscopic on Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we're going to fantasize about trades at 3rd base....
Let’s go mega-mind and get Evan Longoria.
Unless the medicals on his elbow are bad, I still say sign Pujols and put him at 3rd base.
Dude I'm all in!
But I just doubt Big Albert would play 3rd base for us full time. Nobody knows for sure… but I’m going with my gut. I think there is a better shot of Trumbo picking it up in Winter ball than Albert saying he’ll sign a deal to play 3rd base. I could be wrong and I’m intrigued by the idea.
The biggest difference between Pujols and Trumbo at 3B...
…is that Pujols was drafted as a third baseman, and played a full season there in the minors.
Trumbo has barely touched the position, and looked god-awful there when he did.
I hope TR doesn't mess with youngsters! ... Imagine if K-MO comes back, and is productive! One thing I am sure of,
Theres NO possible way Wells can suck more than he has this year. Plus the dude has a history of being able to bounce back. So at least we got that going… (Still hate you,VW).
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 13, 2011 2:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No possible way Wells can suck more than he has this year?
Look up in the sky and watch the clouds part to reveal a higher peak of “suck” that Vernone will climb and conquer. 3 more years of Vernone, damn you D.T. Tony.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
That's right, Wells won't be as bad next year!!
Quote me on that!! Now I aint saying he’ll be worth his contract, just that he will not suck as bad as 2011
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 14, 2011 7:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I just hope he breaks his ankle in a homeplate ceremony and the team can collect insurance money on him.
He’s out for two years and our outfield has an opening. Money back in the coffers. Wa-la! There’s the solution we all are craving so bad.
by Wally's World on Sep 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm OK with Kotsay
As long as he brings his smokin’ wife to the stadium.
If I learned anything from all those years on MySpace,
she’s probably not as attractive as those stylized photos of her lead me to believe she is.
I thought her looks were the result of Photoshop and lighting
Until I found some candid pics of her.
Give me Kuroda and call it an offseason
Also, we should attempt to move Abreu by eating some salary. We just have absolutely no room with Trout and Morales being added to this already overcrowded roster
RIP Nick Adenhart
You lost me at KOTSAY
And after that, I never came back.
Except to note that Bourjos is such an insane value. This idea that Wells should start due to pay is ridiculous. Trout-Bourjos-Hunter is the 2012 outfield, NOT Wells-Trout-Hunter.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
by Kernel on Sep 15, 2011 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I would only trade Bourjos for a stud Ace pitcher (i.e., Lee)
who is under contract for 3 or more years. Wright isn’t worth it. For that money, sign Reyes, trade Aybar and we have a true table setter offset by te salaries of Bourjos/Trout/Trumbo/Walden and we don’t give up anything
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
I'd include Pete in a trade for Evan Longoria
by mustard_man on Sep 15, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Pete for Granderson?
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Or Brett Lawrie
Another AA steal in Toronto. (Although Marcum has done well for the Brewers)
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 16, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Two words.
Run prevention. This concept has worked wonders this year. Taking out P-bo will have a negative effect on runs allowed.
Now that Lackey has turned to the enemy lets kick his ass
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 15, 2011 6:29 PM PDT reply actions
I'm probably 12th man on the deal team and last to know but...
Anyone else see this?:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/heyman-on-pujols-huntington-cj-wilson.html
A rotation of Weaver, Wilson, Haren, Santana, and who gives a shit. Wow.
Well, Matt your bad ideas outweigh your good ones....
While I like the idea of acquiring Affeldt (I think the bullpen is perhaps the biggest chink in our armor) . Unlike many people I feel fixing the bullpen takes priority even over acquiring another “big bat.” Am I pinning my hopes for 2012 on the return of the productive Kendry? — to a large extent, yes I am. But winning involves alot of things, including wise management decisions and a healthy dose of luck with regard to injuries and player health.
If Kendry can return to form then I think our priority becomes adding the 4th starter (as you suggest) and fixing the pen. First, Affeldt can slide into the late inning mix. Takahashi and his combustible mix of off-speed pitches can be demoted to middle-relief or traded. We can include him in a deal for Affeldt or some other “upgrade” reliever. We also would be better off cutting our loses and waiving Fraudney ?(see Gary Matthews Jr.). I really feel Rodney’s negative body language and demeanor contaminate our pen with a “losing” vibration.
I think Walden will recover and improve next year as closer. With two quality arms backing him (Affeldt and Downs) the pen would be greatly improved.
All this being said, your idea of trading Bourjos is just horrible. He is perhaps the brightest star on our horizon. And , Yes includes Trout. I think Bourjos is a potential superstar and perhaps will outshine even Trout. Ideally, both of them will be in our starting outfield for 10+ years however. Do NOT trade Bourjos.
Wright is solid all-around but has begun to show vulnerability to injury. In addition, I don’t agree with most here that we absolutely have to have a power bat at third. The immergence of Trumbo really eliminates this need. It doesn’t matter from what position you get your power from as long as you get it. Kendry and Trumbo provide enough, I think (here I am assuming Torii duplicates his numbers of course) The OBP Wright brings is not enough to off-set the loss of Bourjos and Aybar in this case.
Oh, I also agree with PhiSlamma on Trumbo batting 6th. Down the road in two or three years I might bat him 5th for a full season or even 4th, but for 2012 we have to bat him 6th with a healthy Kendry and Hunter the same lineup. I wouldn’t bat him ahead of Hunter.
In post above the first line should read like this:
“While I like the idea of acquiring Affeldt, the scheme of trading Bourjos and Aybar for Wright is a big, fat fail in my book.”
By the way, the Mets won’t need Aybar because they will resign Reyes.
If we are looking at rebuilding the pen
why not make two moves. Oliver will be available and we should have never gotten rid of him.
I think it's time to predict the dates on when
1) We are rumored to be in on Albert Pujols, but do not sign him.
2) We are rumored to be the frontrunner for Prince Fielder, but do not sign him.
3) We are rumored to be on the verge of signing CJ Wilson, but he re-signs with Texas.
Here goes:
1) 2 weeks after both the Cardinals and Angels are done playing ball – so mid-October
2) Prince will be signed before Pujols (further driving up Pujols price) and the Angels will be too focused on Pujols. Occasional references from insiders that the Angels are a factor, but it’s rare and wrong – so early December
3) This one will go up through the new year. Texas will always have control of the situation and will sign him just before the pitchers and catchers are called into camp. Angels will be referenced as a big factor but will really only be used to drive up Wilson’s value in Texas. – so late January.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Nah, TR won't be caught off guard again.
He’ll be ahead of the game and surprise everyone by trading Bourjos and Trout for Barry Zito in November. Combine that with Kendrys coming back and you have two big splashes.
Also, expect Mathis to be locked up in a long-term deal by mid-December, so everyone can have a great holiday season.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Don't forget, the blockbuster Mathis deal will be deep in negotiations during the Winter Meetings
So Tony won’t even attend this year, let alone show up late.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
All dates are going to be the day after the World Series ends until the second the last of those three sign.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
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"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Wow, over 100 comments!
Thank you all for the input / feedback!
Sigh… I changed my mind based on a lot of people on here’s input and also what I’ve been reading elsewhere.
I do want to sign one of the big free agents. I choose C.J. Wilson at 5yrs/$90M. It will probably take more but I say do it… whatever it takes.
Forget Dempster and Harang.
Still try to sign Jeremy Affeldt.
Scratch the trade for Wright and put all faith in Trumbo learning 3rd base in winter ball. Obviously keeping Chatwood, Aybar, and Bourjos.
I will add trading Abreu to anyone who will take him at the least money we have to eat to complete the deal.
(Edited 21 Sep)
Here is my 25 man roster along with 2012 salary (Including assessed arbitration dollars):
C. Hank Conger – $600K
1st. Kendrys Morales – $3M
2nd. Howard Kendrick – $5M
SS. Erick Aybar – $5M
3rd. Mark Trumbo – $1.2M
LF. Mike Trout – $400K
CF. Peter Bourjos – $800K
RF. Torii Hunter – $18M
DH. Vernon Wells – $21M
Bench 1. Bobby Wilson – $480K (Realistically, it’ll be Mathis due to Scioscia’s love for him… One can dream).
Bench 2. Maicer Isturis – $3.8M
Bench 3. Alberto Callaspo – $3.5M
Bench 4. Mark Kotsay – $500K
Bench 5. Jean Segura – $420K
SP1. Jered Weaver – $17M
SP2. C.J. Wilson – $18M
SP3. Dan Haren – $12.75M
SP4. Ervin Santana – $11.2M
SP5. Garrett Richards, Jerome Williams, or Tyler Chatwood – $500K (Open competition in ST for the 5th slot).
BP1. Rich Thompson – $450K
BP2. Bobby Cassevah – $450K
BP3. Hisanori Takahashi – $4.2M
BP4. Jeremy Affeldt – $3M
Set-up. Scott Downs – $5M
Closer. Jordan Walden – $600K.
The line-up should look like this:
1. Erick Aybar
2. Howard Kendrick
3. Kendrys Morales
4. Mark Trumbo
5. Torii Hunter
6. Vernon Wells
7. Peter Bourjos
8. Hank Conger
9. Mike Trout
Totaling $143.3M assuming we eat somewhere around $7M of Bobby’s contract. Not too shabby.
Trumbo makes more that Bourjos?
Both are under team control. The team can choose to give Trumbo a raise if they want to, but they could just as easily pay him the league minimum again. He’ll have his chance to negotiate once he hits arbitration.
No you're right...
I figured trumbo was up for arbitration.
Unrealistic
Your lineup depends on a number of very unlikely events happening. I list them below in order of what I think is least likely.
1) Mark Trumbo plays 3B — I know that the team mentioned the possibility of having Trumbo try out at 3B during winter ball. Still, I do not see this happening for a number of reasons. First, Trumbo tried to play 3B last winter and was absolutely awful. If I recall correctly, he made three errors in one game. Perhaps it was a fluke. Perhaps he could improve. But this seems unlikely, at least to me. Also, to make this move, we have to take Trumbo away from 1B, where he has played surprisingly well. And it leaves both Callaspo and Izturis on the bench, despite very good seasons from each of them.
2) Kendrys Morales plays 1B — This may be even more unlikely than having Trumbo at 3B. I very much hope that Kendrys is able to return to the lineup as the DH of this team. Even better if he can play 1B occasionally. In my opinion, however, it is hoping for way too much to anticipate that Kendrys will be able to play a full season at 1B. By next spring, he will have been out for nearly two years. It does not make sense, in my opinion, to put him in the field or to do anything else that could further jeopardize the possibility of having his bat back in the lineup next season.
3) Hank Conger is the catcher — This is much more likely than 1) or 2) above, but less likely than it seemed a couple months ago. At the beginning of the season, Conger was starting more games than Mathis, and the team subsequently tried to trade Mathis. That gave me hope that the team might sever ties with Mathis and make Conger the starting catcher (or at least platoon him with Wilson). Although this of course remains a possibility, Conger currently is behind both Mathis and Wilson on the depth chart, so this also is something of a longshot.
4) Trout and Bourjos both have everyday jobs — I agree with your prediction that the team will trade away Abreu. I believe, however, that the team will do this to free up the DH spot for Kendrys — not for Wells. If Kendrys is healthy, I believe that Callaspo and Izturis will platoon at 3B; Trumbo will play 1B; Kendrys will DH; and the outfield will include Bourjos, Hunter, and Wells. Barring an injury (or another failed comeback by Kendrys), this would leave Trout to start the season in AAA, even assuming that the team trades away Abreu. In my view, there is only one way that Hunter, Bourjos, Trout, and Wells are all in the lineup, and that is if Kendrys is unable to return next season.
If we are looking at 2012
Of the big name free agents, the only one I want is CJ Wilson. Having a Weaver, Wilson, Haren, Santana 1-4 would be awesome.
In terms of position players, it is either gonna be Ramirez, Cuddyer or stay put with Callaspo or make Izzy the everyday 3rd baseman.
I agree -- if we get anyone, it should be Wilson
I would offer Wilson the same contract that Weaver got, and then non-tender Mathis and trade Abreu for some minimal salary relief. This still would leave Trout’s playing time in question unless Morales fails to return; there is an injury to Wells, Hunter, or Bourjos; or Morales, Trumbo, or Bourjos is traded. It also would mean that, for better or worse, only one of Williams, Chatwood, and Richards would make the rotation.
The total payroll, if these moves were made, would be $136.5 million, based on the following assumptions: 1) we pay $6 million of Abreu’s salary after trading him; 2) Kendrys returns and receives the same salary as he did in 2009; 3) all arbitration-eligible players receive a 50% raise; and 4) if we add anyone other than Wilson to the roster, we pay him league minimum. If the team wanted to maintain the same $140+ million payroll that it currently has, I could see an additional $5 million being spent on another late-inning reliever.
The lineup would be:
SS Erick Aybar, ~ $4.5 million (projected)
2B Howie Kendrick, ~ $5 million (projected)
3B Alberto Callaspo, ~ 3 million (projected)
RF Torii Hunter, $18 million
DH Kendrys Morales, ~ $3 million (projected — assuming he returns at all)
1B Mark Trumbo, $416,000
LF Vernon Wells, $21 million
CF Peter Bourjos, $416,000
Ca Bobby Wilson, $418,000
Bench: Maicer Izturis, $3.8 million; Hank Conger, $416,000; and three other players.
The rotation would be:
Jered Weaver, $17 million
CJ Wilson, $17 million
Dan Haren, $12.75 million
Ervin Santana, $11.2 million
Jerome Williams, Garrett Richards, or Tyler Chatwood, $416,000
The bullpen would be:
Jordan Walden, $416,000
Scott Downs, $5 million
Bobby Cassevah, $416,000
Hisanori Takahashi, $4.2 million
Rich Thompson, $420,000
Horacio Ramirez, Trevor Bell, Garrett Richards, or Jerome Williams, $416,000

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