Abreu's 2012 Option
by omarcadia on Sep 24, 2011 12:26 PM PDT
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Now that the Angels have all but lost hopes for the playoffs this year, I can finally focus on watching SC football but before I get going on with my life, I'm gonna waste my time on the 2012 Angels. Upon seeing possible solutions to the horrible "Major League" offense, I took a look at Abreu's 2012 option. As we all know, that option was vested in July when he had his 433 PA. However, I took a look at Abreu's contract on Cot's Baseball Contracts. This is what I saw:
Bobby Abreu of
2 years/$19M (2010-11), plus 2012 option
- 2 years/$19M (2010-11), plus 2012 option
- signed extension with LA Angels 11/5/09
- 10:$9M, 11:$9M, 12:$9M option ($1M buyout)
- option guaranteed with 550 PAs in 2011 or 1,100 PA in 2010-11
- option vested 7/31/11
| 2010 | LAA | 154 | 573 | 88 | 146 | 249 | 41 | 1 | 20 | 78 | 87 | 3 | 132 | 24 | 10 | .255 | .352 | .435 | .787 | 1.28 |
| 2011 | LAA | 137 | 489 | 52 | 123 | 176 | 30 | 1 | 7 | 55 | 77 | 5 | 111 | 21 | 5 | .252 | .353 | .360 | .713 | 1.24 |
You can see that Bobby only has 489 PAs this year and he needs 550 for his option to become guaranteed and he has 1062 PAs combined which means he still needs 38 more PA to have his option guaranteed. Don't get me wrong, I like Bobby but it's time for him to go. Hopefully this website isn't lying to me because if it is true, I don't see how Bobby will be with the Angels next year. This also helps the Angels shape up their lineup a little without having to add free agents. If K-MO comes back to his full form (which I am doubting at this point), they can plug him at DH so they won't have to rush him since Trumbo is already at 1st. It would be nice to have 2 30 HR threats in the lineup. If K-MO doesn't come back and Trout has an excellent spring, he should be in the starting lineup next season with Wells or Hunter being the DH but I'm not a big fan of that move considering the stagnant offense would remain the same as this year. No matter how I look at it, I'm still impressed with what the Angels did this year but they had to make the playoffs or else now, it looks like the stupid Dodgers had the better year with Kemp and Kershaw being the frontrunners for the MVP and CY awards. There's still 5 games left so if they have some pride, they should try to win all 5 and finish winning 90 wins. Go Halos!
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You're looking at ABs, not PAs.
Plate appearances are inclusive of walks, HBPs, etc.
Abreu has 570 PAs already this season, and 1237 PAs between ’10 and ’11.
You are already thinking about the 2012 Angels???
Heck even our own GM won’t be thinking about that until like mid January. Where are the winter meetings you are going to be late to this year Tony?
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
I really wish this was true...
But, as stated above, Bobby’s option has vested and he will for sure be clogging the line-up in 2012 unless TR can manage to trade him away in the off-season.
One can dream…
Currently Stuck in Jordan
by Nathan Aderhold on Sep 24, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions
Sadly, as stated above, his option HAS already vested
You’re preaching to the choir about Bobby though. We all know he’s in decline and he’ll never be the same.
My issue with trading or releasing, though, is that what happens when Trout doesn’t pan out in the outfield and we need to send him back down? Or if somebody goes down with an injury? It’s probably better that we do have Bobby ready just incase.
All though, Trumbo could probably play the outfield as well. But it might be better to keep Torii in right field who may very well win the RF gold glove award this year.
you dont have more outfield prospects after trout
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 24, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Kendrick can also play OF
As can supposedly Kendrys if he ever comes back. Maybe that’s a better back-up plan for 2014 than 2012…
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Torii has been good, but
Don’t think he’s one of the three best OF’s in the AL. And isn’t the GG OF not determined by position? Meaning, three awesome CF’s can win?
www.appealtoemulsion.com
Not this year. They changed the rules.
In theory, Torii could win although defensive metrics show him to be pretty mediocre, at least on BaseballReference.com.
You used to be cool, man.
Package Bobby and Izturis for relief help or prospects
See if we can at least clear some money for one of them too.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
This might happen
I have to believe that there will be a package trade sending out our spare parts (or what the team perceives its spare parts to be). This is what the team thought it was doing last year by jettisoning Napoli and Rivera. We should expect the Angels to make a trade again this year, and I just hope that they get it right this time.
As for trade possibilities, I agree with you that the team is not likely to start the season with Hunter, Wells, Abreu, Bourjos, and Trout (and possibly Morales). Nor do we really need both Izzy and Callaspo. If Izzy could stay healthy, I probably would prefer him just slightly to Callaspo. But seeing as how Izzy has surpassed his career-high in plate appearances this season (by a lot) and will finish with approximately 500 plate appearances, I would try to sell high on him.
If we packaged Izzy and Abreu for some salary relief (perhaps $8 million of the $12.8 million that they are owed next year), that would be worth it, in my opinion.
The fact that Napoli was considered spare parts to get rid of shows how dumb this front office is.
Even if those who agree with the front office that Naps isn’t all that great, which I’d say is pretty stupid, but anyway, even if that was the case, Naps is someone they offered arbitration just before trading.
If he really was of little value and we needed relief from his salary to make the trade, why offer him arbitration? He could have been non-tendered for nothing. That’s essentially like signing a free agent one day and then trading him the next day for salary relief. That’s just stupid.
If we were demanding the Blue Jays take on some salary from us to make the trade, why not demand they take Karmis. Karmis plus Rivera would have essentially been the same salary relief-wise as Napoli plus Rivera plus $5m.
This shows exactly how dumb the front office is. So, either the Arte/Tony/Soth braintrust asked for salary relief in the form of the guy they essentially just signed or they recognized that Napoli had at least some value and thought they had to offer it to sweeten the deal so the Jays would let us have Wells.
I won’t believe 2012 will be any better until Reagins is gone, a competent GM is hired and Soth is put on a leash.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Even if all those changes happen this November
It will still take years for the changes to propagate through the system. This is going to be a long ride.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect a quick turnaround as far as titles and championships go.
However, I’d enjoy watching a team that replaces the aging proven vets in decline with younger players getting some experience in the majors even if it meant fewer wins. I think that team would be more fun to watch and will be building something for the future.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
That's right, we had high hopes for him until he pitched his first game, lasted only 1.2 innings giving up 5 runs and then was done for the season.
I can’t wait for Soth and Tony to start talking up Vernon Wells’ intense offseason training program while reminiscing that this team’s gutty performance hanging in the pennant race all the way until the last week of the season despite predictions of mediocrity from the Bill James and sabermetric people.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Bobby is not worth $9M...
it’s too bad because if you look at his vs. LH/RH splits he was a total liability batting against lefties. If we had platooned him all year he’d still be under the PA threshold and we’d be able to avoid picking up that option. Subtract the approx. 165 plate appearances vs. lefties and he’d be at approx. 410 plate appearances right now.
vs Left – .238 avg, .279 slug, 0 HRs, .594 OPS
vs. Right – .262 avg, .405 slug, 8 HRs, .775 OPS
Those numbers against righties are not that bad. Very tolerable.
He’s been a great major leaguer and a good Angel, but Reagins gambled that he’d still be productive through this year and that is obviously not the case. He is done and now we have this problem on our laps. Trout needs to be in the line-up every day next year but that would cause us to have some very expensive players sitting on the bench. Not great calculations by Tony and could have been easily avoided by playing anyone else against lefties.
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