Buehrle? Buehrle? anyone? Buehrle?
This guy, in my non-sabermetric-understanding opinion would make a perfectly reasonable 4th starter next year - our new Joel Pinero. Let Jerome Williams go for the 5th spot and our starters are set.
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The issue will be
the bidding war for pitching. HE would be a great #4 / #5 … but he will be getting 3@$9=27.
works for me... a 1/3 of Wells and mathis.
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 27, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose a team that has a $21m per year DFA candidate shouldn't balk at a $9m back of the rotation starter.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Well, we gotta pay someone the big bucks to stay at home.
No more GMJ or Karmis. Hey, I think I see a pattern here… GMJ = 10 mil; Karmis = 12 mil. GMJ+Karmis= VW! Yep he’l be DFAed.
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 27, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Arte likes to get ahead of schedule adding players to the team's alumni association.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Lest they run out of alums to throw out first pitches..
oh wait. Is Kazmir throwing the first pitch out tomorrow?
Richards and/or Chatwood deserve a chance at one of those final spots
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
I agree that Buehrle would make a great addition
But the pitching market is bare with probably Sabathia and CJ Wilson topping out the list and Buehrle is probably the next best option. The cost will be too high. If they can get him for a decent deal, I would love that guy. Our rotation would dominate. With the lack of a 3B available, the Angels may be able to swing for a starting pitcher instead.
ugh....it starts.
Can we wait until the season is at least over.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Sep 27, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
Not sure If I agree with this
Subject should be mandatory
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I don’t really like using a subject line. I only do here because everyone else seems to.
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totally no problem
that was a tech error that i had to follow thru on in order to screen shot for SBN TECH.
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A Haiku to the 2011 Season
Angels lost last night
Time to stare out the window
And wait until spring
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Sep 27, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A haiku to reply to your haiku
Birdie in the sky
Birdie turdied in my eye
Sure glad cows don’t fly!
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 27, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The season was over
the moment we traded Napoli for Wells.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I WANT CJ WILSON!
I will not settle for less.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You might have to settle for less
That’s sort of Angels FO MO these days.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 27, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
BLASPHEMY!
I have a feeling we will strongly pursue him, and I’m not talking about this lame deadline crap we’ve been doing but an actual pursuit.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 27, 2011 2:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and then he will sign somewhere else
after a month or two of us being the leading contender for his services.
What pitcher would really want to pitch for this offense if the money is equal or better elsewhere?
Hometown players are probably just about it.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
I'm more in the CJ Wilson can go f**k himself camp myself
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
by ryanfea on Sep 27, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna be a crappy winter for you buddy
Our GM won’t make it to the winter meetings in time to sign CJ
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Let's spend money on superstars
And find filler to fill out the rest. I’m perfectly happy with
Weaver
Haren
Santana
Williams
Chatwood/Richards
With Bell at the 7 spot.
I agree
Without CJ or Buerhle, it’s still a pretty sick rotation. I’m bringing back an old angels chant, “We need a power bat! We need a power bat!” And “superstar” is a key word. We need a new Vladdy. If Arte wants to make any money of this team, he can’t skimp on talent. Weaver only pitches every 5th day. He’s not enough to bring in the droves alone. We need Pujols or Fielder. I don’t think we have the chips to make a big trade, so it’s gotta be a free agent.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We also shouldn't neglect the option of flipping a starter for offense.
Pitching market is thin — Santana has one year and a team option left, and is making 24M+ over that span.
We could pick up a Buehrle or Kuroda for the same span and get a reasonable return for Santana. (The Angels could also explore the Japanese market as well.)
Santana has broken the pattern of off-year collapses this season, but I can’t get past the feeling that he always carries a bit of risk with him.
I'm allergic to ever trading good starting pitching
It is vanishingly rare that you go through a whole season without having to scrape some serious depth. You’re already one Jered Weaver boogie boarding accident away from having a mediocre rotation as is.
CJ Wilson for 5/80
or Mark Buehrle 3/30?
I’ve been in the go after Wilson camp, but I’ve always been a fan of Buehrle, who’s also pitched in a hitter-friendly park with a low WHIP. I also enjoy watching him pitch games as he works fast.
Rarely can a team have too much quality pitching depth, and I believe the Rays are the only team I can think of with 6 legit starters, so would it be worth pushing Richards/Chatwood out? Maybe…
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 27, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions
Both, f it!
Isn’t Wilson from the OC?
Maybe the bigger question is pujols or fielder?
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't actually saying both
but I think signing one of those two guys does more for this team for the money than most of the other FA’s to be.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitching Depth
only goes so far. The Yankees have all of one legitimate starting pitcher, yet cruised to a division title because they score a shitload of runs. On the other hand, despite scoring a shitload of runs, Boston might not make the playoffs because of a lack of starting pitching.
I think the Angels have more than enough starting pitching. They could stand to upgrade the bullpen a bit, but the bottom line is they just don’t score enough runs. They get inadequate production from LF, DH and C. Unless Arte Moreno is willing to eat the contracts of Wells and Abreu, they’re not going to solve that problem in 2012. They’re not going to solve the C problem, either, unless they’re willing to non-tender Mathis. That’s not going to happen.
The logical solutions to LF, DH, C
C – Cut Mathis; insert Conger. Automatic upgrade at lower cost.
DH – Morales/Trumbo/Wells/Hunter rotation. Abreu on the bench.
LF – Wells/Trout platoon. If Wells isn’t doing squat come May, then man up and DFA. Trout might actually give us $20+ million worth of production once he’s given the opportunity and makes the right adjustments.
None of this requires the involvement of an outside team, and the only question mark is how Morales’ rehab goes this time. Then again, I’m not the GM, so maybe you’re right about none of it happeneing.
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by Commander_Nate on Sep 27, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
re: your solutions. They’re both simple and obvious….except to management. And that may be the real bugaboo: expecting the current management to correctly identify the problems and implement solutions.
The first order of business really should be hiring Brian Cashman away from the Yankees, or either Andrew Friedman or Gerry Hunsicker away from Tampa.
Good point.
Playing the better players on the roster should be step 1 in repairing this team. However, I think it will have to be step 2 in our case since that won’t happen until our front office/management heads-up-their-asses issue is resolved.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Logic? Who needs logic when you have Reagin-omics!
For every wise man there are a hundred morons... be carefull who you take advise from.
Yankees have a SICK bullpen
And they got great mileage out of reclamation projects in the rotation; that doesn’t always happen.
Buehrle would be nice in a vacuum
I think his pitching style would play well in Anaheim. But he’ll be expensive for a 4th starter, given the rest of the crap the Angels are spending money on.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
The notion of paying too much for a 4th starter simply beause he's a 4th starter is utter nonsense.
We haven’t won the division the past 2 years. We should make changes that improve our potential to win games and achieve a playoff spot. If that can be done through starting pitching better than through position players, it is worth doing.
As an Angel fan, we don’t have the luxury to create a team that will succeed in October, we need to build a team that first and foremost has the capacity to GET to October. Because once your in the playoffs, anything can happen!
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 27, 2011 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
I personally would rather have cj wilson
over pujols or fielder. We don’t need another 1st baseman especially since we have kendrys and trumbo.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 27, 2011 2:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
we have two guys with broken feet/ ankles who have never come close to what pujols or fielder could bring
yeah, why would we want a great first baseman when we can have two pretty good ones.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We still don't know if Kendrys is coming back & how good he'll be
There is also talk within the organization about Trumbo playing winterball as a third baseman. If Fielder or Puljos signed with the Halos… even if Trumbo tanks at 3B you can still get him ABs as a part time DH, 1B & RF.
For every wise man there are a hundred morons... be carefull who you take advise from.
Trumbo isn't playing winter ball
The team canceled those plans because of his injury. Not that I don’t agree with your overall point.
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
which aging outfielder will we get this offseason
Hunter….abreu…matsui…wells…
by Halos in DE on Sep 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I hear the Cubs are trying to get rid of Alfonso Soriano
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Ill take aging outfielders for 500 please.....
I used to play for the yankees, now I play for the cubs. I have a horrible contract … And my caller ID has a a weird name on it I dont recognize…. T. Reagins??
by aybars chew on Sep 27, 2011 2:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, even Tony can't think there's room for another OF.
Conger and Kendrick for Zito
Don't under estimate trAdition.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Good point. I forgot that we don't have a veteran playing CF yet.
Trade for Alfonso Soriano and move Wells to CF, because he’s won Gold Gloves there!
Go look at the 4th and 5th starters on the other playoff teams..
Outside of Philly they are nothing special.
You don’t need 5 good starters to get to the playoffs. Then when you make the playoffs your 4th starter gets 1 start per series and your 5th starter is in the pen.
It makes no sense to go spend more money on starting pitching when we’re clearly at diminishing returns. Go get a bat or 5 dammit.
this team needs 5-10 more wins to get to the post season, plus some to compensate for the potential regression of trumbo, bourjos, callaspo, etc...
whether it comes from amazing pitching or improved hitting, I dont care. But the angels need to add something significant to have a real shot.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What bat?
People keep saying this, but there are no realistic options out there for improvement.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 27, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
fielder will go wherever the money is and the yankees and red sox arent in on him
Pujols had anaheim as one of the 5 places he would accept a trade. If arte will pay up, we can have one of them.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
"If Arte will pay up"
And there’s the key problem. On top of the fact that we already have two more-than-adequate first basemen of our own, either of those guys (Fielder or Pujols) will cost more than Arte has ever signed any player for.
On the other hand, our rotation has two question marks after Santana. The only in-house candidates to fill them are a reclamation project (Williams) who had an okay September, and two rookies who should probably spend another season or so in the minors.
Given these two facts, a pitching acquisition is probably more realistic than anything else.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 27, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I am just really hoping that he will. I know its foolish, but I have to believe
He has repeatedly said in the past they were willing to pay for the right player, well it doesnt get much better than what Pujols can bring and Fielder isnt far behind. These are two guys that crush baseballs, if he doesnt see them as the “right” kind of players, then I will be sad.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I do often wonder what it is exactly that they consider “right”
by aybars chew on Sep 27, 2011 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i dont know.
As I was writing it I was thinking, if they dont sign one of them I will: not go to games, not watch them on tv, not buy angel stuff, etc… and realizing it was all a lie. If they dont sign one of them, I will be sad and then just hope for the best next season.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
you know whats going to happen...
“…..we made what we felt was a fair offer” just so happens our definition of fair means low as shit….
by aybars chew on Sep 27, 2011 3:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Solid reasoning, as usual
But whereas we could indeed use another starter, still our offense is substandard. It makes little sense to get a spare tire when you are also short a sparkplug. Sure, every car needs a spare to make sure you get where you’re going, but without a needed sparkplug, you’re not going anywhere.
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
I'm afraid Santana is a question mark too.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
I couldn't agree with you more.
I’ve never trusted Senor Everyotheryear.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 27, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Either Sign Fielder/Pujols..
and trade Trumbo or trade Izzy/Abreu for a superior DH.
The team needs a LH starter.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
by mustard_man on Sep 27, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fielder>Pujols>CJ Wilson>Buehrle
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Sep 27, 2011 2:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Pujols is much better than Fielder
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Yes, but who are we more likely to land?
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Sep 27, 2011 3:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
unfortunately.
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Sep 27, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Juan Pierre
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
He does love to surf. We can use that as our bait to get him down here…
by aybars chew on Sep 27, 2011 3:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I might be willing to trade Wells for Zito
It would be an interesting challenge trade. They’re both owed a ton of money. I think I’d rather have Zito as a 5th starter than Wells as a LF.
OT: Chatwood is starting tonight instead of Santana
It makes sense(Santana has thrown a lot of innings and this game doesn’t matter), but I can’t enjoy Chatwood starts lately
oh, I forgot we have a few more games... Better go make my Panther Point Picks...
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 27, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And Richards is starting for Weaver tomorrow
http://twitter.com/#!/MEavesFSWest/status/118812819964694528
Good, no need to wear out Ervin or Weaver at this point
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
WHAT????????
Looks like I can skip the games and eat my tickets for increased fiber intake.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 27, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We need offense, Buehrle is good but we need offense
can he bat for Mathis?
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
What about A. Ramirez of the Cubs?
According to ESPN his agent came out with a statement last week stating he was going to opt out of his contract. He would solve our 3B problem. I would do it if only a 2-3 yr deal. But if that could be done I would also trade Howie (high trade value this year after 18 HRs) for a good/cheap starting pitcher and plug Callaspo at 2B. The drop off from Howie to Callaspo is not that great. We would also save money on a free agent starting pitcher finaly have a legit 3B.
For every wise man there are a hundred morons... be carefull who you take advise from.
callaspo is at least as valuable as ramirez if not more.
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 27, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Sep 27, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just false
I’m not saying we should sign him, but Ramirez is way better than Callaspo. There’s simply no objective way to say otherwise.
Wrong
Callaspo’s dWAR: 1.5
Ramirez: -0.9
Callaspo is + 2.5 dWAR on Ramirez.
Ramirez is only +1.5 oWAR on Callaspo.
Good catch
I know this is late (I just saw the reply)- but while I knew Callaspo was a better defender than Aramis, I did not realize how much better! I didn’t even feel the need to look up the difference and am pretty stunned. Ramirez is the much better offensive player though and if we had room at DH- which we don’t- I would say he would be an intriguing option. Sadly, he might be our best hitter next year if we were to sign him!
Once again
Barf
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Maybe you guys are right. The main difference is in the power numbers.
Ramirez’s 2011 numbers .306, .360, .506 with 25 HRs & 92 RBIs – 147 games
Callaspo’s 2011 numbers .290, .368, .377 with 10HRs & 56 RBIs – 146 games
For every wise man there are a hundred morons... be carefull who you take advise from.
Not Much Difference
Away from the “Friendly Confines,” Ramirez’s SLG is .458 this year, 100 points below his Wrigley SLG. Callaspo’s road SLG is .436. Ramirez hits a few more HR, and that’s something, but considering that Callaspo is far superior defensively, it’s questionable whether Ramirez would be any kind of upgrade at all.
The only way it would make sense
is if we got great value from Callaspo to make up for it in a trade. That way 3b is basically a wash but we gain another player in return (like a closer or a catcher).
mathis traded for roy holiday and cliff lee
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
Why would we do that?
I mean, we need Mathis.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
i flush my shit after i crap
why dont the angels?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
AJ Pierzynski is going to provide commentary during the ALCS and World Series
Hopefully it’s just for pregame and postgame. Joe Buck and Tim McCarver are bad enough.
Apparently our very own Victor Rojas is going to get some postseason action on TBS
@VictorRojas29:
Although we’ve never worked together, I’m looking forward to calling a division series w/ Joe Simpson on TBS in a couple of days.
Faith Focus Finish
Neat
TBS seems to break out the B-list for the division series (I don’t think Ernie Johnson even knows the rules), so it will be good to have someone competent behind the mike.
Sign Pujols, 10/300 at 3b
Sign Fielder, 8/200 at 1b
Sign Jose Reyes, 6/140 at SS
Sign Heath Bell 3/30 CP
Morales is never coming back
Trumbo in RF
Wells DFA
Abreu Hitting Coach
Hunter DH
Trade Aybar and Chatwood for some bullpen help
WE WIN WORLD SERIES FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Sep 27, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions
Our record= 130-32
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Sep 27, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup
SS Reyes
2B Kendrick
DH Hunter
3B Pujols
1B Fielder
RF Trumbo
CF Bourjos
C Conger
LF Trout
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Sep 27, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Move Hunter behind Trumbo and maybe this offense will be able to keep up with the increased runs allowed by the pitching staff due to no Premium.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
What do u guys think...
If we trade aybar and Jeremy Moore for Martin prado? U could play Prado anywhere and is just entering his arb years and is getting paid at 3.1. Aybar is getting paid at 3.0 and is at his second arb year and allows Callaspo to play everyday and the opens up a spot for segura to soon play in the bigs. We already have too may outfielders and will give Moore a chance in their outfield while Aybar instantly becomes the starter on the braves at SS. If this somehow happened, I would applaud TR
I will never applaud TR, even if he apologized and selflessly resigned.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Just for kicks, and to maybe start a shitstorm, how about:
Sign Buehrle for 2 years/22M, and send Santana to Boston for Youkilis.
Angels faithful hate Youk and Boston loves him, so it’s improbable as hell. But let’s just say theoretically…
Both have one year and a team option left. Both have nearly identical money left on their contracts. Boston has more offense than they can deal with, but shitty frontline pitching. Angels have the opposite problem. Youk was a bit dinged up this year, but plays 3B well enough not to detract from his bat’s value, and is of course a fine first bagger.
Beyond the optics, what about it as just a value for value trade?
Youk is the type of guy you hate until he's on your team.
Kinda like Jered. I’d be perfectly ok with this. He’s got a good glove and a good bat.
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