Reagins quoted as looking to "move Trout". To where? Infield or Via Trade?? You decide.
Today on ESPN, Max&Marcellus. Starts at about 5:22...
"Well, initially, Kendry will probably come back as more DH oriented and play some first base if everything goes like we expected. And Trumbo, he can play not only first base but he can play the outfield and DH, so there will be at bats in that situation. And we’ll also be able to move a player around a little bit with the outfield situation.
And then we’ll see what happens with Trout. There’s a lot of things that we can do going to the offseason. Things that look they are locked out at this point may not be that way in a month from now, two months from now, maybe before spring training."
Was he talking about TRADING Trout, or moving him to the infield? TR getting his content all scrambled up between his brain and his lips and this came out completely wrong?
8 months ago
Stirrups
258 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
Don't scare me
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Sep 29, 2011 3:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think you are mis-interpreting this segment
He was talking in the previous sentence about Abreu and Wells and their contract. The host Max even said earlier that I don’t think that either of these guys are tradable. I think Tony’s response was a two part response it just got blended together.
Part #1 “We will see what happens with Trout” — i.e. if he is in the majors or AAA next year.
Part #2 “Things that looked like they are locked……” i.e. Contracts and moves you thought were not possible are possible. I think in desperation he might do something stupid like trade Trout to get a another pitcher or a stud 3b, just to save his job but all in all it is unlikely.
Most likely scenario that he will ATTEMPT (might not succeed at ) is package Abreu and another small piece to get bullpen or 3b help. Thus clearing up the DH position for Morales, and to have Hunter DH on nights that Kendrys plays 1b. And we would probably have to pick up 60% of Abreu’s contract since his market value is around 3-4 million.
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Sep 29, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Sounds like he is talking about the OF situation and where to put Trout (thinking there are too many people for OF, Wells, Abreu, Hunter, Bourjos Trout, with DH being split by Morales and Trumbo).
In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden
by matthiasstephan on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
For chrissakes fire that idiot now, Arte
before he breaks anything else!
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 7 recs
a friend I have in the FO
told me that Reagans has been walking around with a look on his face like he knows he doesn’t have much time left. I really hope that look comes to fruition.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That would, in actuality, be a step forward in cognitive skills.
Usually the look on his face is one of happy cluelessness.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Sep 29, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Has he ever told you if people in there read HH at all?
I feel like we could help them with some of their…issues.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The Angels 2012 Offseason
Might make it seem like 2011 wasn’t that bad.
by scream162 on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Moving Trout to the infield?
Did they already give up on making him a catcher?
by ~MMP~ on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They don't ask, they just "do"
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
by mustard_man on Sep 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
At least Kellerman called out Scioscia/Mathis
Reagins said nothing worthwhile in response
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Yeah. Maybe the media is growing themselves a pair as it pertains to Arte/Scioscia.
Perhaps the teflon has been chipped?
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I hope so.
I do not know Mike personally but appears to be stuck in his ways.
I’d like to shake it up a little bit and fire one or more of his coaches.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
by hauldog on Sep 29, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Kellerman dgafs
he’ll say what he thinks.
by Halowitz on Sep 29, 2011 4:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, it was the typical FO BS regarding Mathis
-He sucks offensively
-He has all sorts of mysterious intangibles on the defensive end
-If our offense didn’t suck, we could absorb his offensive suckiness
-Our offense sucks, but Mathis will be playing anyways.
I swear to God if the Angels trade Trout, I'm gone.
I will not watch him go to another team and be bad-ass! It already sucks way to much with Napoli gone. Weaver and Bourjos and Trout are all I got right now.
I will become a damn Pirates fan. At least there my expectations won’t have to be too high.
Reagins has got to go. If he messes this team up anymore I’m gonna go effin crazy…
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
Scioscia makes me nervous.
"Ballplayers play baseball. Hrrmmmff." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Sep 29, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
For Evan Longoria maybe, and that's about it.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
if you dont like what i have to say
Shut up, lol.
by Halos in DE on Sep 29, 2011 5:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They will trade Trout for an aging star third baseman that has a huge obligation left on his current contract.
Anything less from Reagins would be a complete surprise.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
Reagins just said "tip you cap to him(Napoli)"
It’s an epidemic!
Did he really...I mean REALLY say that?
No response would have been preferred..“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. …”
Or, how about an honest contrition that you F**KED up? You still deserve to be fired, but at least you retain a slim thread of dignity.
In Tony's mind, he can sell high now on Trout.
Right now, everyone is discounting his poor offensive numbers because he’s 19. What they don’t know is that Mickey Hatcher worked with him on his swing and Trout still failed to produce. If a player can’t improve after learnin’ some hittin’ from Hatch, that player will always be no good.
Tony’s on to it. Sell high. No one outsmarts Tony Reagins, well no one since the midnight manager of his local Del Taco tricked him into buying one more Del Gusta Burrito than he wanted this afternoon.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Tony's signature burrito at Del Taco is ... El Splash Grande
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 29, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
if this team trades either Trout or Bourjos due to the failings in bringing in VW
I will seriously walk away from the team for a long long time. I’ll miss everyone here, and miss going to the games, but I will not hesitate to turn my back on this team and organization if they trade away two of the few redeeming qualities of this team.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I'm totally with you man!
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Sep 29, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally...
I’d become a BIGGER FAN if they just said “WHOOPS, WE FUCKED UP” and then DFA’d Wells tomorrow.
“$63 mil be damned, I am a bigger fan.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 29, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That kind of admission will never happen.
For the front office there is “too much stress to confess.”
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hells to the yeah
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Late to the party.
I said that two years ago because of the Scioscia/Mathis debacle. My family has had season tickets behind home plate for over 20 years. And for the last two years, only my parents and their “frumpy” friends attend games. My sister refuses to like “the soth” because he was a Dodger, but mostly because he got rid of Bengie (she was the one who always yelled from behind home plate “I love you Bengie” – he still remembers her).
I folded last year when Figgins and Vlad came back. And twice this year against Texas and again against Texas – I only wish those two games were the last of the year!
I still rock my halo garb (all the time) and watch every game, but I still refuse to give Arte any of MY hard earned monies. . .That is until Mathis is gone!
Good riddance
leave a team because of some bad trades…I call that a shitty fan.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Sep 30, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
cool, they've got your blind support
have fun with that
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Oct 3, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
can Trout play 3b? or 2b?
maybe trade Howie?
i’m definitely against trading Trout….but what could he net us?
he played middle infield in high school
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 30, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. he pitched, too.
Normally this would be meaningless. But playing IF in High School in Trout’s case, because the kid just turned 20, means that this was just a couple of years ago.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Yeah, let's trade Howie...!!!
Coming off a 6 WAR season. That sounds like a GREAAAAAT idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More Howie please...
Then perhaps he's over-valued?
Perfect time to trade him…
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Note to Arte Moreno:
Fire Tony Reagins. RIGHT. NOW. Do not let this clown wield power for even one more second.
Go hire Andrew Friedman, Gerry Hunsicker, Brian Cashman, Suboptimal…
Just about anyone to get rid of that clown.
by jjackflash on Sep 29, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
If he trades Trout, I am going to lose my mind
Not going to say somethig silly like I won’t be a fan, but this will probably knock the Angels down my pecking order of teams I follow. They currently number 1.
To be clear there are not other baseball teams in the pecking order I am referring to.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Oh man! Someone please stop
This idiot before he rips apart the young core of this team!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 29, 2011 4:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hahaha...that's a nice little "Sophie's Choice" scenario in that comment.
If the Angels could dump Vernon Wells(and his contract) on somebody, but they’d also have to trade Mike Trout, do you do it?!?!?!
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither
I might trade Kendrick or Trumbo or Callaspo, but I would not trade Trout
If trumbo or howie gets traded
they will end up in tejas hitting .320 with 30 HRs
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Sep 30, 2011 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
This sounds like trading Trout to you?
This sounds like trading Bobby to me. “Someone can be moved in the outfield situation.” Bobby. “And then we’ll see what happens with Trout.”
by Halowitz on Sep 29, 2011 4:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
I kind of agree with you. But anything even close to sounding like trading Trout, will piss me off!
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Sep 29, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Reagins is a freaking wrecking ball about to impact the offseason
get rid of him now. I wish they would have asked him “Hey Tony, why were you late to the winter meetings?”
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
"Hey Tony, why were you late to the winter meetings?"
I was at Del Taco
by mustang6944 on Sep 30, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, this guy needs to go.
Before he somehow makes a more stupid, desperate move than the Wells trade.
I didn't take from that he wanted to trade Trout
He sounded like he was being coy about the OF situation, either a trade of Bobby or some sort of platoon. With Torii’s contract done after this year and Trout ready to do, I just can’t see any organization trading a prospect of that caliber without it being for a stud in return. I am no fan of Tony, but I just don’t see it happening.
Didn't see him trade away one of our power hitters
when we had no hitting of our own but he did it anyways.
by mustang6944 on Sep 30, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The way I interpreted it
is that it may look like Trout is locked out of an OF spot right now but that alot can change in the offseason…Trout should be the opening day LF or CF…Bourjos could be the guy to go simply because he has trade value unlike anyone else in the current OF…I would personally like to see the team just eat the money on Abreu and make Wells the full time right handed DH splitting time with Morales…who would the trade Trout for anyway and get full value back???…anyone short of Bryce Harper would be a HUGE miscalculation by Reagins.
Like I said above, only Evan Longoria would satisfy me
If Tampa was interested. Which they won’t be.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 29, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
if they trade Bourjos I'm gonna flip my fucking lid!
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Noooo, Noooooo, a thousand times noooooooooo
No Vernon Wells as a DH unless it is at Rogers Field. The Angels don’t need a DH who hits infield pop ups. The Vernon Wells should be a DH idea will lead to nothing but heartaches.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
I would be OK if they platooned him vs. LHP
Until Morales gets settled in.
no, bryce harper hasnt hit major league pitching, trout has
by Balls and Strikes on Sep 30, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd take Trout over Harper any day
Harper seems immature, what with wearing the goofy face paint up until recently, and reports of showboating after home runs. Trout seems a better kid, and that can make a big, big difference.
by Rock Island Line on Sep 30, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I hear there's a young man in pittsburgh who is pretty good
I think his name is Brandon Wood
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Sep 30, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
"We can't stand pat"
I’m scared of standing pat and not standing pat here.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
What's wrong with Pat? Why can't you stand her?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
nnn-uuuuh-llll...
Or however Pat pronounces it…
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Maybe Pat is a 'him'
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
IMO
This looks like we’re moving towards some sort of Bourjos/Trumbo/Walden/Richards for David Wright type deal
RIP Nick Adenhart
Bourjos and Trumbo would bum me out...the other two can go.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm ok letting Trumbo go
losing Bourjos on the other hand would rip my heart out. I <3 him, and I’m not afraid to say it!!
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
that is one of his many traits I'm smitten over
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather hang on to trumbo
trades scare me now
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Sep 30, 2011 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Bourjos/Callaspo/Richards would be preferable.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 29, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No it wouldn't.
That group of players delivered roughly 8 WAR in value this season to David Wright’s 2 WAR.
I could see a moron like Reagins pulling off that trade — but I can’t understand Angels fans actually getting behind it.
its his ringtone
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
But David Wright has intangibles. don't you understand? (sarcasm)
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Sep 29, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Bourjos and Callaspo did
Did Richards actually contribute any WAR?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Max telling Reagins Scioscia "fetishizes with Jeff Mathis" made me laugh.
Reagins saying they expect Morales back but mostly at the DH position sure didn’t sound too promising to me.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
loved that one too.
they didn’t hold back really….they were just nicer than we would have been
I'm an Angels fan
I wish they would have asked him about the free agent market
I would have liked to hear a TR non answer about Pujols, Fielder and Reyes.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
No need
Reyes would be a disaster.
The guy is Erick Aybar with a slightly better batting average. He’s certainly not worth an extra $15 million a year
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree completely.
However, Someone will give him insane amounts of money. They will do so in complete disregard of players like Jason Bay, Crawford, Carlos Lee, Wetth and Lackey, just to name a few.
I was listening to 710 this evening,
And was amazed at how many Halo fans think this is the thing to do. Injury issues aside, he’s expensive, and I think we got a pretty good SS in Aybar. The only thing the Admiral needs to do is develop his jump throws.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
and learn not to screw up on the bases
Really. One is a lead off hitter, the other is better off hitting second and we have PB for that. The one thing I agree with is you make this move if you have no faith in Segura not based off of Aybar and whether or not he doesn’t screw up.
by mustang6944 on Sep 30, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The Thing About Aybar
He’s a free agent after 2012, so he’s about to get a lot more expensive, too. Unless the Angels intend to seek a multi-year extension with him, they’re going to have to do something about SS after this year anyway. If they have any doubts about Segura, Reyes might be the best bet for the next five years. He’ll only cost money and a draft pick. Segura (and Aybar) then become useful, tradeable pieces to fill other needs.
No more MI's
We have a plethora of them as is.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
But How Many of Them
are particularly good? I like Izturis, but he’s no all-star. He’ll also be 31 next year, which is his last year under contract. So, both he and Aybar may be gone after this year. I think it’s safe to say that at least one of them will be gone. Amarista put up some nice minor league numbers, but hit only .154/.182/.250 in the show. Segura hasn’t exactly set the world on fire yet, and is likely at least 2 years away. Romine’s bat doesn’t play at the big league level. So while there’s quantity, the quality seems a bit lacking.
I didn't read it like that.
Honestly, it sounded like nothing. Reagins just spewing BS GM/Coach speak. Max always over-interprets things like that, if you listen to that show at all. No way this team trade Trout. Bourjos is far more realistically to be badly moved. Has the proven ML success.
I do not look forward to this offseason, but it will be interesting.
I don’t think Mathis goes anywhere but to spring training as the starter. Hunter and Wells can’t be moved. I think the most realistic option is just Trout starting out back in the minors to give Wells a chance to redeem himself (which won’t happen).
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
This does not make sense on any level.
First of all trading a once in a decade talent in Trout would make absolutely no sense. To the other possible scenario, moving Trout to the infield would waste so much speed he could be utilizing in the outfield. That won’t be so stupid.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT reply actions
At least it seems that TR likes Bourjos
So we can probably rule out him being dealt.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
It would also be a horrible PR move to trade Bourjos, he is probably the most popular player on the team right now.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
Anyone else think
that they could possibly Dump Wells on the Cubs for Zambrano??? Probably have to give them a top minor leaguer in the deal as well but it loosens up the outfield jam and maybe Big Z finds himself in a new league with a new team…or not…..
Wells is owed WAY more than Zambrano
Cubs just got rid of their incompetent GM. Zero chance of that.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
I'd love that
Just so I can see Zambrano choke Mathis when he goes O for in a tight game.
by mustang6944 on Sep 30, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Trout isn't going anywhere
I don’t really know how Max interpreted it that way. To me, and I was listening to it live, it sounded like they are going to make room in the outfield for Trout. We just got rid of eating contracts for Matthews and Kazmir, maybe Tony and Arte are ready to eat some Wells or, more realisically, Bobby A curds now.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Sep 29, 2011 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, if we ate more than half of Abreu's contract
Someone looking for some OBP and “veteran leadership” off the bench, might bite.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
We could use OBP off the bench.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
No, that needs to be full of grit.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Good point, that way no one clogs the bases.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Exactly, and that's why Scioscia has to carefully construct this team himself.
Have you ever seen Vernon and Jeff clog the bases?
Nope. Just like Papa Sosh wants. He’s planning on giving Trout and Callaspo a stern talking to about that base clogging they do this offseason.
Those runs just slide right on through
Jeff and Vernon are to a baseball offense what chemical laxatives are to the human digestive system.
No, that needs to be full of grit.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And productive outs.
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 29, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point, that way no one clogs the bases.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, and that's why Scioscia has to carefully construct this team himself.
Have you ever seen Vernon and Jeff clog the bases?
Nope. Just like Papa Sosh wants. He’s planning on giving Trout and Callaspo a stern talking to about that base clogging they do this offseason.
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 29, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those runs just slide right on through
Jeff and Vernon are to a baseball offense what chemical laxatives are to the human digestive system.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you guys really do this?
I had milk coming out of my nose when I first read this. Bravo sirs!.
I took your stash.
I tried to Rec you..but accidently pressed the flag lol
best comment in this whole thread.
Sosh won't bench him
And I’d rather have Trout than Abreu
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
I would too, but I don't think any of our problems are solved if both Reagins and Soth don't change their ways.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I thought Kendrys is suppose to replace Bobby...
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 29, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Kendrys ain't coming back
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Kendry maybe?
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 29, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
couldn't they fire Hatcher
and then make Abreu the highest paid hitting coach in history?
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm fine with that... Can the hitting coach still pinch hit?
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Sep 29, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's called a hitting coach not a walking coach.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I'd just be happy to hav a guy coaching our hitters, who could proved that he once hit MLB pitching himself.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Thinking the same thing
Bobby could move into a coaching position teaching these guys how to hit and how to take walks.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
Brilliant idea. Seriously
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
by mustard_man on Sep 30, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, so now we can not only have Napoli watch but Trout watch?
Somebody needs to stop this maniac before he manages to top himself.
Maybe he's thinking of trading Trout for Napoli so we can get some production out of the catching position.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Right now I was thinking.... What if Arte fired Soth and replaced him with Mike Piazza?
Man how much would that piss Soth off?
Not happening, but a funny thought.
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
Would you girls go get a mani/pedi and compose yourselves?
It is a loooong stretch to assume he means trading Trout.
Think about it: Trout has come up as a CF. I don’t think the Angels plan on moving Bourjos from that position, which means (wait for it…) that Trout would need to be moved to a different position.
Maybe they intend to try him at 3B? Maybe he is considered the RF of the future? Who knows? That is what Winter Ball is for. We have known for some time that Kendrys is due back, Trumbo has earned his wings, and Abreu might be trade bait (albeit with a few million tucked in with the deal) to create an opening at DH for Kendrys.
Callaspo might be trade bait as well as piece of a package for a part for the bullpen, and Trout gets to play 3B. I’ve heard worse ideas, and it would get Trout into the lineup every day. In 2013 when Torii is gone, Trout can go to RF if the experiment doesn’t work. Jeremy Moore becomes the 4th OF, ready to step in if Morales or Trumbo get hurt, with Wells going to DH.
No good ever comes from listening to/watching an ESPN outlet.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
What you say makes sense. Reagins doesn't make sense. That's what worries me.
Just the thought of Trout potentially being traded, (Bourjos too) is enough to fire me up! The mere idea! Forget that!
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Sep 29, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Trout is not going to not be an outfielder.
That’s almost as absurd as the calls to put Trumbo there. And Trout already has been playing the corner outfield spots.
I didn’t interpret Del Ninja’s comments as trading Trout, though I understand the concern when trying to figure out this front office.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I wasn't channeling Max or ESPN here. I had the same grunt that Max did when TR issued that quote.
It’s a looong stretch to infer TR’s intent in LOT’S of different directions. But the fact is that he used specific time frames which are meaningful in the trade and FA markets during the offseason, opening the door.
So even as he said that, I realized that a couple of ways to stretch the statement are that Trout was the subject of the conversation (and not necessarily Abreu), that Trout is not a lock at an OF position (as everyone assumes), and that Trout’s future could take many paths.
One path is to the infield, staying on the team.
One path, due to the timeline he noted, could be via talks with other teams.
Of course, one path is staying in the outfield, and some other presumption (Hunter/Bourjos/Wells) is not a lock.
So I put the quote together, in full, to let everybody make their own guess. It’s like walking the elephant into the room full of blindfolded people. Everybody has a take…even people who think that TR has failed to notice that Trout has already played 2/3’rds of the time in positions other than CF.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Jesus Christo...Thank You George!
Anyone who knows this organization, KNOWS they are super tight-lipped about their moves. I don’t think Tony would casually chat about possibly trading Trout.
Get it together, dudes!!!!
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Sep 30, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Calling people girls is lame...
but I agree that the RADIO SHOW HOST went too far in his speculation.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
GMs never announce they want to trade anybody
Unless they’re idiots. Even bigger idiots than Reagins.
There’s no way he means he wants to trade Trout.
by yeswecan on Sep 29, 2011 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
then again he IS an idiot
so who knows
conger > mathis
I still miss Max Kellerman on Around The Horn.
He runs circles around Stat Boy.
(apologizing in advance for mentioning ESPN networking)
I've got nothing.
To me it sounds like...
CF Borjous
RF Hunter/Trumbo
LF Wells/Trumbo
DH Morales
1B Fielder/Pujols ( sign and trade for Trout) or Trumbo
2B Kendrick
3B Wright (trade Trout) or Callaspo
C Mathis
SS Aybar
I think Reagins intentionally opened the door about Trout
to see what types of offers he would hear from other teams. If the Cardinals and Brewers don’t resign Pujols/Fielder they might be willing to pull a sign and trade because Arte wants the blockbuster player to draw fans to pay for his team. The thing is, Abreu has no value in the national league but Torii could.
Arte's simple math: if you pawn off Torii's 18 million, Callaspo 3 million from arbitration
plus Mike Trout you can basically swap that $21 million for Prince Fielder and his $25 million and its like only getting Fielder for $4 million next year. Boom big splash in his eyes. Fielder can play 1B and by the time he gets too fat (2013), Kendrys take can take over 1B and in the meantime by the DH. Trumbo plays OF, rotating with Vernon and Torii and is less of a liability due to Borjous’ range. Trumbo becomes full time OF once Torii is done after 2013. Meanwhile Sosh’ other man-crush, Izzy becomes full time 3B until Kaleb Stewart or CJ Cron move up..or we put in another slap hitting infielder in Jean Segura at 2B and movie Howie to 3rd.
then Arte will tell you that he's all in NOW
and will have a line up with 4 30+ home run guys when healthy. don’t forget the spin that if Wells didn’t miss a whole month of action he’d finish with 30 homeruns (25 this year with time on the DL). They will feed us Fielder + Wells + Morales + Trumbo all with 30 HR potential. ..wow just like the Texas Rangers.
sorry Torii is out in my scenario..mistake..so no Torii just a Wells/Trumbo/Borjous OF
so Trumbo gets more ABs..dumb mistake
What?
Why would any team be dumb enough to trade a player like Trout for someone that is a free agent anyways? I can’t stop laughing at someone thinking the Cards could just sign Pujols and then turn around and trade him for Trout. Wtf are you guys smoking? It doesn’t work that way fellas. Oh and Mike Trout and Mark Trumbo cannot play 3B at the big league level. If anyone is getting dealt it will be Mark Trumbo or Bobby Abreu (with cash included in the deal). Any GM worth a squat would try to sell high on Trumbo to another GM that doesn’t understand the importance of OBP.
Oh and please put down the David Wright crackpipe people. We had our shot at a legit impact player in Adrian Beltre and the FO blew it. Lets not make another stupid move like we did with VW because we missed out on Beltre.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 29, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
in order to be first on the negotiation list
Let’s say Albert Pujols wants to leave St. Louis but doesn’t want to leave the Cards with nothing. This happens in basketball all the time when LeBron, Carmelo, Chris Bosh etc leave town. Free Agent leaves, but saves some of his legacy by “helping out” his club. The Angels do this because the only way they can sign Albert is if they get rid of a high-priced contract. The only way the Cards would be willing to have one more year of Torii would be if they got a top prospect in the MLB in Mik e Trout. Plus, this puts the Angels at the front of the line in terms of trying to get Pujols over a team like the Doyers..if you have something to offer. I don’t see why there is anyting to laugh at. The Angels by now know they can’t just sign a free agent by winning them over. They swung and failed on multiple top FAs the past few years. They have to find an edge. Maybe its not conventional in baseball but happens in NBA ALL THE TIME. But thanks for your condescending tone.
This isn't the NBA.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn't happen in the MLB.
And doesn’t that only happen in the NBA because the player’s original team is the one that can offer him the highest contract? They do a sign and trade because it benefits both the player and the team.
Again, this isn’t the NBA, MLB doesn’t have the same contract structure rules and that’s probably why this has never happened in the MLB.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
and?????
joking
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 29, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
damnit click my post its a link but I will put it here:
“The sign-and-trade rule allows a free agent to waive a no-trade period in the agreement if he consents to the deal in writing.
Thus, a Type A free agent could work out contract details with a new team but re-sign with his former team, which would then trade him to the other team in question. "
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090218&content_id=3843216&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
more
“We do think it’s possible to effectuate a sign-and-trade consistent with the Basic Agreement,” said Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive vice president of labor relations and human resources. "The player would have to give an advance waiver of the right not to be traded.
this is from winter 2009
so in case you find something up to date and a difference then I’ve informed you. and yes the original team can pay the player more in the NBA. Correct. But let’s say Albert or Prince wants to remain beloved in their first hometown than they might do them a favor. Outside shot, but who knows? Cannot be dismissed.
If they want to remain beloved there, they shouldn't leave.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ugh i tried to recommned you too my bad
somethign with my pointer..sorry
Yes it can be dismissed
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 29, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It may be in the rules, but there is no real incentive for a player or the receiving team to do it.
A player leaving a team cares more about the team signing him. Why make that new team trade something for the player when it could have just signed him?
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I agree with you
I think Pujols should be the next Stan Musial and stay with the Cards. But a guy like Albert is a different character. He is extremely involved in the St. lous area with his charities and special adults. i feel like he is generally a good guy. I don’t see Fielder doing that one.
who is Borjous?
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Sep 30, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
HEY TONY
FUCK YOU <3
Mike Trout- The Man, The NOW, The Legend
by miketrout on Sep 29, 2011 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Don't leave me bud, don't leave me...
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Sep 29, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is TR still employed by the Angels?
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
I know all you guys want the guy gone and are looking for justification
but I don’t see anything in that quote to suggest that he’s considering moving Trout. Grasping at straws.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 29, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Jesus christ people at least wait till the World Series is over to start making shit up and being drama queens.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Relax
What I got from it was that Tony was referring to, as stated above, the outfield situation. I’m thinking when he said, “we’ll see what happens with Trout”, I think he meant that we’ll see how Trout performs down the road.
Will he win a spot over Abreu or someone else? Will someone else be trading to make room for him? Will he have to spend another year in the minors? Will he struggle next year?
I don’t think he’s going anywhere unless we get someone ridiculously awesome and cheap.
I heard a Red Sox fan suggest today
Trading Carl Crawford + cash for Vernon Wells.
I know, crazy place the internets…
A Sox fan wants Vernon Wells???
He’s probably the only one. The issue I have with it is that Crawford has more years and money. And call me psychotic but I think Vernon will have a better year offensively next year.
The pop-ups to short would be home runs in Boston
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
Crawford has 6 years remaining, while VW only has 3 years left. I wouldn’t mind entertaining moving Wells for Lackey to free up space for Trout and save the Angels almost $10MM/yr.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 29, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this today, actually
solidify the rotation, take a “cancer” off their hands, and bring the guy back to somewhere where he could potentially settle down and give us a lethal #1-4.
Also, they get a guy in Wells who would probably play well in their park, both offensively and defensively, and go back to facing a lot of the teams he’s generated familiarity with over the years.
I think Wells bounces back next year, though…the last several years, he’s been an every-other-year guy, and I’m hoping (for next year at least) that that trend continues.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He goes perfect with our every-other-year pitcher: Ervin Santana.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 29, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's like Chris Farley is controlling this team sometimes
This is emotional terrorism.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Oh
And everyone suggesting playing Trumbo in the OF over Trout needs to get their head examined. Trout is a future superstar that has the potential to be a dynamic player at the plate, while Trumbo is destined to hit for a lot of power but be a massive out making machine. This club needs to make a transition towards high OBP and working counts and we can’t do that until we populate our roster with those types of players.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 29, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Get your eye examined
Nobody said we SHOULD trade Trout. We just suggested how this could happen…RATIONALLY. I would hate to see Trout go, and in fact I have no interest in Pujols who will decline and won’t be worth the money in a few years..and Fielder who will get too fat with the luxury of the DH spot. Before you jump on people, practice some reading comprehension.
In the Front Office's minds they probably realize that Anaheim isn't a FA destination
Tex wanted East Coast. Crawford wanted East Coast. Beltre wanted a hitter’s park. CC wanted BIG $$$$ . The Angels “don’t got this.”Even Arte realizes that he can’t compete with the Yanks or Sox…(in fact didn’t he already say this?). Arte probably realizes that Tony is no negotiating all-star. the only way you make your GM seem coy and smart is if you give him valuable pieces to play with. Personally, I believe that we should keep our players and just use who we have in house. Just don’t play Mathis and play Abreu very little, and platoon Wells and Hunter and play lots of Borjous, Trout, Trumbo, Conger, Morales.
A free agent's destination is the highest bidder, not a geographic region, hitter's ballpark, pitcher's ballpark or some sort of other secondary consideration..
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
didn't Tex say he and his wife preferred the East Coast?
and Crawford wanted to stay in the AL East? That’s why we didn’t even really meet with him for a serious deal? Even with his friend Torii trying to recruit him?
and Jered Weaver
kind of trumps your argument…not yet a FA..but he said he wanted to stay in front of his family even though he probably cost himself $30 million
Exception to the rule.
And he was a year away from free agency, so you’d expect the contract to be a little less.
Don’t you think it’s funny that the Yankees and Red Sox overpay for all these guys that have been dreaming about playing for them their whole lives?
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 29, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brian Cashman openly said that he faked interest in Crawford to drive up Boston's purchase fee
you don’t think that Boras and other agents don’t fake interest in the Angels to drive up the offers of the big boys like Boston and New York? If a top free agent says “I want to play for the Yankees” you lose all your bargaining power because nobody knows they can compete with NYY and they control the bid. Come on now. You can’t look through Halo lenses. We’re as much as part of this game as they are. A top agent is going to say “hey we might go to So Cal pretty weather pretty women, that’s all you have?” even though that free agent wants that team anyways.
I don't think I understand what you're saying.
Crawford went to the highest bidder. I thought that was kind of my point.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Tex
Was born and raised on the East Coast. You’re making this way more complicated than it really is. Teixeira would have played in Idaho if it paid him the most money.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 29, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...that's like your opinion man
Crawford didn’t want the East Coast. Crawford went where the highest bid was, which just happened to be on the East Coast. Beltre wanted to play for the Angels, but we were once again outbid for his services. We’re talking about So Cal here. It isn’t like we’re trying to convince guys to come and play in some shit hole like Detroit.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 29, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
did we even put a bid in?
the way they tell the story, there was no bid because he was already sold on Bahston. I am going by the quotes. Obviously money plays a big factor. But are you sure its causality and correllation or coincidence. Perhaps Money + destination is where it’s at. Vladdy didn’t go to NYY he came to Anaheim because in part he felt comfortable of a “latino” owner.
Hey I love So Cal. Born and raised and cant see why you wouldnt come. But the Angels pennant race highlights aren’t shown before Frank McCourt and Matt Kemp. I hate that, but it is what it is. Angels have the destination but not the attention.
Can we drive a stake throught the heart of this "Beltre wanted to play for the Angels" nonsense?
According to stories at that time (to be fair, from Buster Olney, but work with me here for a moment), the Angels offered Beltre $77M/5 yrs. He ultimately signed with the Rangers for $80M/5 yrs, with a vesting 6th year for $16M.
As I stated before, he grossed $73M over the seven years he played in Seattle and Boston. I find it difficult to believe that the wolf was at his door, and those $3M extra dollars were necessary to secure his family’s financial future. The 6th year isn’t guaranteed, so it is fine if he survives the first 5 years and hits his metrics, but in terms of a guaranteed payout the difference is apparently $3 million.
It is a free market and I certainly don’t begrudge him the ability to secure the best possible deal for himself and his family, but I object strenuously to the notion that he was some cold, shivering waif outside the window of Casa Moreno, hoping in vain that someone would let him inside and love him.
Is there anybody remaining who honestly believes that Beltre’s heart is broken because the Angels didn’t offer him enough money? Gammon’s suggestion is so far-fetched that is would be comical if there weren’t so many people who are willing to take him at his word without a moment of critical thinking .
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Sep 30, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think if you keep this team intact as it is, we'll lose 90 games next year.
Our starting pitching was excellent. I don’t think it will be as good next year. The starters remained remarkably healthy last year.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 29, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers are fragile and fluky
The same thing happened in 2008-2009. The rotation was remarkably healthy and stable one year, and then the next year they’ve got Trevor Bell, Matt Palmer, and Shane Loux as regulars, Anthony Ortega and Sean O’Sullivan are making spot starts, and oh yeah, don’t forget about Kaznobyl.
Fortunately, the 2009 team could really hit. Unfortunately, 700 runs scored might be an unrealistically high expectation for the current roster.
I agree with Halowitz above: the "move" refers to Abreu.
But if you haven’t heard it yet, listen to the first few minutes of the show when Reagins talks about Mathis. Make sure nothing is in your mouth and that you are not near anything of value because you are likely to erupt.
Here’s a gem from Reagins: [Mathis] “brings a ton to the table from the defensive standpoint.”
Really? Would some one please explain to me what metric/logic/facts/statistics or anything else minutely relevant Reagins might be using to come up with statement.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
GMBPG
GM’s blown per game
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Sep 29, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal is saying Francona is out in Boston
that might be the only thing dumber than the Sox collapse itself.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Somebody kill this man.
Im not suggesting murder, but somebody needs to make tony reagins dead. Via murder.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 29, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Does this guy have some sort of learning disability?
Or was he pronounced legally dead at age 9 after staying underwater for too long, only to come back but with serious brain damage?
Did a horse kick him directly in the head?
These are questions I asked after the Napoli trade.
Now I’m just going to assume all of the above and wait for him to shit in the bathtub one too many times until Arte kicks him out. Seriously though, I don’t think Reagins watches baseball.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
Arte fucked up big time with the Vernon Wells trade .....
He’s not gonna FUCKED UP again . The Blonde Bombers will stay together .
Haven't read the whole thread (TL;DR)
But moving Trout to the infield so the geriatrics can mosey around in the outfield sounds pretty fucking stupid as well.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
Move Abreu and Wells to the bench.
Problem solved.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 PM PDT reply actions
I haven't used my F-Bomb this month so what the hell...
FUCK WHATEVER YOU DO IN THE FUTURE TONY YOU SUCK YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Look at the turtle go, bro.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Trout to 3b seems like the move.
If I’m not mistaken I recall a recent article about trout playin ss in high school so it seems to me that trout should at least be trying out for the infield this spring training.
I would prefer this result and signing at least either cj Wilson or buerhle. If cc opts then then put all of our eggs in that basket. Our 1-4 consisting of weaver, Haren , cc/cj/mb, and santana would be a better outcome over pujols or fielder imho.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 30, 2011 7:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
so pretty much my preferred options are
1. Sign cc if he opts out, move trout to 3b
2. Sign cj and/or mark b, move trout to 3b
3. Sign mb and fielder or pujols, try to trade abreu/wells (eat most of his salary) and one of trumbo/kendrys and possibly prospects for a high quality pitcher or package deal for wright.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Sep 30, 2011 7:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I the beginning, did Figgins?
I don’t think he has the proper attitude for a third baseman. He has to become more of an asshole type player. Mike is too good of a kid to play in the infield.
There's no way
This post is real. A lot of big leaguers played SS in high school, but that doesn’t mean they can do it in the big leagues. Defense matters, which is why you can’t just stick guys in random defensive positions because it makes your offensive lineup look better. Mike Trout and Mark Trumbo cannot and will not be playing 3B next year or any year in the future.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 30, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I miss something?
Based on the quote excerpted above, nothing there indicates that Trout will be moved anywhere. He talks about moving “a player around a little bit with the outfield situation.” That may be Trout, but it also may be someone else. And “moving around a little bit” seems more like a position switch than anything involving a trade, even if he is referring to Trout.
Basically, my interpretation of this is that Trout’s position next year is not set in stone, and that the Angels may get rid of a guy (or guys) that we would assume is untradeable (first thought of mine is Abreu). But I don’t seeTrout included in that.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Sep 30, 2011 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This thread needs to calm down
I mean, we all dislike/hate Reagins, and that’s fine.
But people are flipping out with an insane amount of anger, insults, and venom…based on a gut reaction to an event that didn’t actually happen.
Someone misread a Trout quote, posted that Reagins was considering trading him, and then posted it here. And then, rather than read that quote, 90% of us just decided to post a Reagins-based tirade about the thing-he-never-said.
Calm down.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather do this
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Wrong.
Someone ACTUALLY LISTENED to a Reagins interview, heard TR open a door for conjecture, carefully went back and typed his DIRECT QUOTE into a Fanshot (cleaning up all the “ums” and “ers”), and let the HH plebes come up with their own interpretation. It’s called “creating conversation”.
But, yeah, I would concede that the headline being intentionally provocative probably did cause most to ignore the link back tot he podcast where they could hear it for themselves.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I don't even see room for conjecture.
The only mention of Trout at all is “we’ll see what happens with…”
Now, granted Tony has done enough dumb shit in his time as GM so that we can panic over him mentioning the name Trout in ANY context that doesn’t explicitly state that he plans to play him every single day for the rest of his life, as that would ‘leave the door open’ in the Reagins-sense-of-the-word.
But beyond that, there’s just…nothing there. Even through all the jumble and the nonsense, I don’t see anything that suggests a trade involving Trout. And honestly, I was out for the benefit of the doubt because I’m totally okay with the ideas of finding excuses to shit all over Reagins…so I read the damn quote like 30 times, piece by piece. There’s just…I don’t think the Hardy Boys could find what the title is suggesting. And I don’t think MOST of the people flipping the hell out in this thread read beyond the title, because there’s very little discussion here about what the quote actually says.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And I'm sorry for the supposition
that you merely read the quote, and didn’t actually hear it (since I know this CAN be an important distinction). It changes how much more context you could have had to what he said to be sure…moreso than I initially assumed you would have by having read the quote in print.
But having listened to the interview, even, doesn’t change my belief that the title is little more than alarmist hype…and that, by its nature, it led most people to jump off a cliff rather than read further. Hell, my issue is not even with the title primarily…it’s that no one is reading further here.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
I definitely think that there was a misinterpretation of the quote, given that in the title of this Fanshot is the quote “move Trout.” Reagins never used those two words together, even implicitly, in the same sentence. That’s misleading, in my opinion.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Fair enough.
The “move Trout” words in my title were air quotes, intentionally provocative to create dialog, and were based on the stream of consciousness that was coming from Reagins by adding together (and these ARE direct quotes):
“And we’ll also be able to move a player around a little bit with the outfield situation. And then we’ll see what happens with Trout. There’s a lot of things that we can do going to the offseason.”
The paragraph break in the Fanshot was entirely of my making. It was me who chose to initially separate those thoughts into differing context. It might as well have been within the same context, as I put in this comment.
So it is entirely possible that the meaning of this is:
Step 1) shuffle the outfield lineup around and sort all that out, not including Trout. (Therefore, Trout is not part of the primary outfield equation)
Step 2) Now that the outfield situation has been defined, figure out what to do with Trout.
Since Trout is currently an outfielder, this implies that he gets moved out of the outfield, since that is now settled. Ok. Moved to where?
Step 3) figure out where to move Trout. One is left with not many choices here. infield, pitcher, minor leagues, out. (“Out” does remain a candidate, because TR gives a timeline of the offseason for figuring out what to do, and later explicitly defines important inter-team personnel changing time frames.)
We think of Trout as an outfielder. Moving Trout from outfield becomes a radical shift to our fan-based thinking. My question to the readership can be summed up simply as “How radical do you think TR is being with this comment?”
That anybody fails to read beyond the title, or think beyond their immediate reaction, or listen to the interview that I linked to for that precise benefit of comprehension, well, that just makes the thread so much more fun!
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
It isn't that complicated
Since Trout is currently an outfielder, this implies that he gets moved out of the outfield, since that is now settled. Ok. Moved to where?
AAA.
What is so far-fetched about saying the club will evaluate whether it is better for Trout to play everyday and improve his game at SLC, or be a 4th OF and get occasional starts against superior pitching while learning at the feet of veterans?
I suggested having him take practice at 3B, simply because the kid is obviously very athletic with excellent speed and reflexes, and (no disrespect intended to Callaspo) installing Trout at 3B could solve the ever-present problem of 3B.
It would have the effect of placing him in the lineup daily at the MLB level while waiting out the last year of Torii’s contract. For the sake of his arm it is preferable not to yo-yo him back and forth between 3B and the OF within a single season (obviously, some players do this, but none with the upside of Trout), but I simply saw it as an experiment worth trying. There is no big deal 3B free agent out there this winter (and Aramis Ramirez is not the answer, should the Cubs decline his option, unless he wants to drastically scale down his expectations of contract length and money).
But it is reasonable to conclude that installing Trout in CF at SLC is a worthy, rational idea for the club to pursue. Why folks continue to look for two hoboes behind the grassy knoll is a mystery to me.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Oct 1, 2011 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I never said that moving Trout back to the minors was not reasonable.
You seem eager to chastise, while equally eager to ignore facts already in evidence.
I based the premise of ONE of the possible interpretations – that of the POTENTIAL to trade Trout – NOT any certainty, but merely on the comment that our now ex-GM laid out as a timeline:
“…in a month from now…” = This happens to coincide with when the playoffs are over and teams are allowed to begin talking to Free Agents. In other words, a major inter-team roster personnel change event window.
“…in two months from now…” = This happenes to be about the time when teams meet for the winter meetings and FA signings and player trades between teams commonly do occur.
“…maybe before spring training…” = This happens to be when last minute trades take place, as teams find out where they stand after all the dust settles around FA signings and the blockbuster trades.
So TR placed three hobos up on the grassy knoll, and put rifles in their hands. It’s only fair to look.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Oct 3, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
