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10 Individual Things That Could've Made The Difference...

ANAHEIM, CA - JULY 19:  Elvis Andrus #1 of the Texas Rangers surrenders an easy out to catcher Jeff Mathis #5 of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim after being caught in a run down in the third inning at Angel Stadium of Anaheim on July 19, 2011 in Anaheim, California. But Mathis displays his extraordinary athleticism by leaping over the prone Andrus and refusing to accept the out!  (Photo by Jeff Gross/Getty Images)

As it turns out, this season went better than it should have. The Halos were in contention for multiple playoff slots against multiple teams (Rangers, Rays AND Red Sox) right up to the last week of the regular season. There were a lot of things that went far more right than we deserved. Those balanced out a lot of things that went horrible wrong, many of which we totally did deserve.

Even still, had this edition of this team been able to just succeed a little bit more, it would have been in the playoffs. Not so much the division title, but certainly the Wild Card. Amazingly, there is a whole host of things to choose from that could have played the role of "just a little bit more". There have to be at least 100 things we could come up with that would have been reasonable to accomplish and any one of which, all by itself, would have put this team over the top.

(UPDATE: I do realize that this topic has been raised since I originally created this last weekend, but I am letting it fly anyway.) My starter list of the first 10 things kicks us off after the jump. Your ideas are expected. Go.

Star-divide

Not in any particular order, although we can get the obvious stuff out of the way early:

1. Not re-sign Jeff Mathis. Whomever it is that is using the Jedi mind-trick on some erstwhile sane and rational decision maker within the Halo FO has single-handidly gifted a 2011 playoff slot to the opposition. And it was so obvious even we ill-informed plebes (well, those not blessed with seeing 4,000 games in person) called it way back in January. Thank you for the 0 WAR for consuming one position of "strength up the middle".

2.  Just days after the Mathis signing...Not throw Mike Napoli into the Vernon Wells deal. And then play him. At catcher. Toronto did not want Naps. They didn't even need Naps to validate dumping Wells to the first taker. But the addition of Naps at 1B would have been offset by the deduction of what we got from Trumbo at 1B, so Naps has to catch.

(Comment: I am NOT including the Vernon Wells deal itself as a deciding factor mostly because the difference between the Wells we got in 2011 versus the Juan Rivera of 2011 we sent away is, as many of us were quick to point out in January, very little. Wells and Rivera are pretty much the same player, so playing Wells is not the reason we missed the playoffs. Wells not acheiving the Promised Land as predicted by thebigtizzle sure is a problem, but Rivera wasn't going to get there, either.  Besides, Vernon warmed up a little bit there at the end of the season and gave a bunch of fans all kinds of warm fuzzies about playoff possibilities. You just can't put a price on that!)

3. (As I have written here before) Go 7-3 against the Kansas City Royals instead of 3 and fucking 7. The Royals had a winning record against only two other teams - the Chicago White Sox and the Seattle Mariners - and those just barely. Anybody who thinks that these Angels deserve to be in the playoffs, and/or should be in the WS, must accept that the same team has to do better than 3 measly wins against any team that otherwise would have gathered only 68 wins total.

4. If Joel Pineiro had just been average. Just an Average Joe(l) Not asking for a peak performance. I would even accept an expected reduction due to age. His 162 game average is 12 - 11, and that includes this year. When all we got was 7 - 7. And that was when he was stable enough to even use at all.

5. Jordan Walden blown saves. This is less an attack on Walden, a rookie, than it is on the use of Scott Downs and Walden at the backend of games. On 5 of the Walden blown saves (and resulted in a loss) Downs was on the mound with the game in hand and was pulled. On My 11th he had thrown only 9 pitches. On may 16th he had thrown only 12 pitches. On July 25th he had thrown only 3 pitches! Only on August 14th had he been extended, to a BFD 24 pitches. And we all know what happened just this past Sunday. In four of those games he turned the ball directly over to Walden who then coughed up the game. In one case the chain of command went Downs to Rich Thompson to Fernando Rodney to Walden, with those latter two surrendering 3 runs. Over the course of the entire season, Scott Downs might have arguably been the most effective bullpen arm in all of baseball in 2011, and yet he was used preciously.

In fact, 25 TEAM Blown Saves ranks tied (with Toronto Blue Jays) for 3rd place in all of MLB in 2011. (The Washington Nationals are worst with 27, followed by St. Louis Cardinals at 26.) While way too many people here love to dog on Francisco Rodriguez for the style in which he closed out games (too many runners, too many runs, not enough 9 pitch/3K shut downs), it cannot be argued that he failed in any manner that was close to this! Yes, friends, this is the day that you shall rue.

6. Speaking of Rodney...Somebody - ANYBODY! - come to terms with the fact that Fernando Rodney sucks BEFORE the season. From the start of the season through early June, Rodney saw action in 26 contests. Sure, there were those 4 blown saves, but the Halos managed to recover on 3 of those and win in spite of him. But 1 did result in a loss and those can be added to the 3 outright losses during that time. That's 4 defeats in 22 innings of work, which merely teed up the 3 more losses he delivered in the 10 innings he pitched after then. And how many of those other blown saves had we might have prevented had this front office went after a REAL closer way back when???

7. Take care of business at home. Meaning the AL West. I don't know what it is with Oakland and Seattle. Maybe it is simple math. Maybe it is that their scouting of us is far superior than our scouting of them. Maybe it is that we have gutted those teams so long that they only time they bother to give a shit about their paychecks happens to be when we are in the opposing dugout. But if you want to claim the title of King of the AL West, you just have to beat the other other teams in the AL West. 19-16 just is not gonna cut it. Not against two teams that are going to average 59 wins without you.

8. Stop participating in the All-Star break. Ok, I get it. There won't be any other teams to play if you are the only ones not taking that time off. But what the hell, guys? This Halo team was 16 wins against 4 losses over the last 3 weeks going into the break. Four days rest and you'd think they forgot how to play at all. They come out of the same break and run 11 and 9 over the 3 weeks thereafter. .800 ball versus .550 ball!!! How about we just think about KEEPING your focus once you FIND it???

9. Get the genius idea of Jerome Williams in December instead of June. You know. Back when everybody already knew that that the Kazmie experiment was just a leap of faith. Sure, Chatwood was serviceable as a #5. Kind of. In spots. He had his good days. But I sure would like to have witnessed what Williams could have done with any of those Chatwood bad days. Oh, and by this I mean Williams AS A FRIGGIN' STARTER!!!

10. For our Torii Hunter, albeit a Torii Hunter in the waning days of his career, to show up a little earlier than August 3 of the season.  Honest to God I love the guy. But Torii owns too great a responsibility for offense on this lineup to take off the months of April, May, June and July. His slash line for those months? .232/.306/.384. His slash line after? .324/.398/.509. His OPS went from .690 to .907. His BAbip jumped from .266 to .358.His WPA over the first 4 months projected to -0.2 for a full season, but that same WPA over the last 2 months projected out to +4.0!!

Other comparative stats (NOT actual totals, but how his performance in each of the two periods would have projected out over the course of an entire season):

May 31 Thru August 2 August 3 Thru September 23
Games Played

158

163

Projected Team Wins

88

87

Plate Appearances

674

676

At Bats

606

597

Runs

68

114

Hits

141

194

Doubles

25

21

Triples

2

4

Home Runs

22

28

RBI's

80

94

Walks

62

73

Strikeouts

140

111

GIDP's

33

11

Stolen Bases

5

4

Caught Stealing

8

7

As you can tell from the right-most column, Torii still has it. He just didn't show up in time. If we could have gotten the REAL him sometime in July instead of August, he still could have taken off April through June and we are in the playoffs.

 

So there it is, my picks for 10 things from which ANY ONE THING could have made all the difference. You tell me, what's on YOUR list?

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Your take on the 2011 season:
The result was already greater than the sum of the parts...
114 votes
Math is a bitch. We ended up right where we belonged...
146 votes
In spite of all the screw ups, we still found a way to choke off our opportunity...
211 votes
This thing was hosed long before it started, and nothing this bucket of bolts could do was going to overcome that...
131 votes

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And will the Torii of 2012 be the Torii of old… or just the OLD Torii…

by Rev Halofan on Sep 30, 2011 2:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I just read "Torii of old"

as “Torrid”. I hope the stars see it a different way !

by Funke5ive on Sep 30, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Torii should know that 2012 is his last real shot.

I would hope that he plays (and inspires others to play) accordingly.

by FlaAngelFan on Sep 30, 2011 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean even older Torii

I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider

by DAD OF VLAD on Sep 30, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whats on my mind is You Rev! Wow, did you break that down or what!! Great job. I think you do a fantastic job with this blog full stop.

I will add in one bit though. I remember listening to (am on the east coast) the first four game series vs. KC and thinking, not this year. So I found it interesting to see your final stats vs. KC. It really was a harbinger of things to come.

by number 6 on Sep 30, 2011 4:25 AM PDT reply actions  

also

Would love to get your thoughts eventually in another thread on the article in the Times from this morning about all of TR’s ‘ideas’ as to how they can shift things around next year vis a vis positions and all.
They were talking about giving Trumbo a go at third base. Excuse me, but don’t they call 3rd the hot corner for a reason? Seems to me he had his work cut out for him already at 1st.
Teixeira playing third, well I could see him managing that and probably some other first basemen, but not certain about Trumbo as much as I like him.

by number 6 on Sep 30, 2011 4:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is TR still employed by this team?

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Sep 30, 2011 5:20 AM PDT reply actions  

TR is probably the only GM right now

whom Sosh is confident enough that he will not overrule the “real” GM of the team.

Imagine if Arte gets an equally strong-minded GM like Cashman from the outside, and his first order of business is to non-tender Mathis. Sosh would throw fits!!!

by smithy610 on Sep 30, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

When prospective GM's are interviewed, the first question that should be asked is

Will you re-sign, trade or DFA Mathis. The interview should only continue if he/she answers no to the first option and yes to the second and third.

by Unclearnie on Sep 30, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one individual thing that could have made the MOST difference was

TR 1) showing up for the Winter Meetings on time, and then 2) signing Adrian Beltre AND any other player that would have provided some power to the offense. The bottom line is the Angels have a “power shortage” and until that is fixed, everything else that is done is futile.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 6:34 AM PDT reply actions  

How late was he to the meetings? What did his being late have to do with anything? Did he miss important negotiating time?

I hear this a lot, but am not so sure it’s THAT critical of an issue. And I’m a ringleader of the “fire Reagins camp,” an anti-tizzle, if you will.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 1:07 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

As I recall, he was a day late. He planned to show up in the morning but got delayed at one of the airports.

A big deal? Probably not. But it is just a reflection of his lack of professionalism and seriousness. My main point is we needed two bats….and we got Wells and nothing else.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great write-up, Stirrups

I was thinking about Torii’s GIDPs – they seemed to always come at critical times (I guess when you only score a few runs per game, every at-bat is critical…) Hopefully we get Good Torri and maybe even Adequate Vernon early next year and they stick around.

"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." - Annie Savoy

by raskul on Sep 30, 2011 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought the GIDP's subsided toward the latter 2/3's of tge season ...

maybe because NOBODY was getting on base in front if him? :)

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

yup

I noticed that too.

"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." - Annie Savoy

by raskul on Sep 30, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heard Francona is done with bawston...

How ’bout a Scioscia-Mathis for Francona-_ trade?

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Sep 30, 2011 7:43 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

The smart franchises address problems immediately

Francona couldn’t get the team to play at the levels he expected, and he was smart enough to know that his time was past in Boston.

We have Soth saying in the LA Times today that:

“We’ve had issues this season, but I love the nucleus of this club,” Manager Mike Scioscia said. “I love the youth, and I love the veterans. I think we’re still championship caliber, with some depth that needs to be added.”

Championship caliber?

Where is Arte?
Why is TR still employed by the Angels?
Where is the accountability within baseball operations?

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Sep 30, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boston HAD a championship caliber team

The Angels only had a teaser-caliber team. They will tease you enough to pull you in, but break your hearts eventually, like you always know they would.

I don’t see how anyone would view a team having a starting catcher that has a .174 avg as championship caliber. And especially on a team that didn’t even have a single .300 batter to end the season. A team like Texas or NY can absorb a .174 starting catcher. But the ironic thing is, Washington and Girardi would probably have not let that starting catcher dip to .174 and would have already benched him for someone more productive at the plate.

The pitching is championship caliber. The defense, maybe. But the offense is most certainly not. And for that alone, this team is NOT championship caliber.

by smithy610 on Sep 30, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Girardi did just that with Posada

He benched him when he was sucking. Hell he did that to the friggin Captain Derek Jeter. That is why I think the coaches we lost are the ones that made Scoscia look better than he actually is.

by mustang6944 on Sep 30, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis is SO bad, the difference in OPS between he and Vernon

Is the same difference between Wells and Teixeira. That’s how far Mathis has to go just to be considered “horrible.”

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not counting the Wells trade?

So Rivera and Wells were practically the same player statistically at the plate. And Wells was a better fielder. But you are missing a major point: if Rivera is in left and is that bad, there are not 84 million reasons to keep playing him. Instead we could have had a lot more of Trout or moved Howie out there full time and played Maicer full time at second.

by mrboma on Sep 30, 2011 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Wells is a better fielder, but playing LF cuts down that advantage.

I have to go look it up again, but I don’t recall seeing enough defensive value delta to get your point. I don’t see some huge dropoff in Rivera that would have triggered radical positional changes and netted 4-5 more wins due to the resulting lineup. Rivera would have played pretty much the same number of games in LF as Wells did, and Trout would still be only 19 for most of the season, not suddenly out All-Star LF.

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 8:47 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Wells v. Rivera

is more about 2012-2014, IMHO. Rivera would not be blocking Trout.

by jjackflash on Sep 30, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true.

So we might witness the rapid rise of Trout and be frustrated by how the normal decline of an aging Wells clogs up Trout’s playing time. And the difference between those two add up to a serious impact on wins over the upcoming seasons, all the while Hunter declines and Abreu is gone. Then, absolutely, the Wells trade will be brought back into the mix for things that could have been done differently and enabled a playoff chance for 2012 or beyond.

But then, all that math could be simplified with a “Not Hire Reagins” entry. (I would like some thought around the idea that Reagins may not be the problem here. He may be more of a custodian than a driver of strategic discussions, and merely the public-facing fall guy for the REAL knuckleheads.)

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was I really that unclear?

I brought up the defensive stuff as a devils advocate position to mirror your point about Rivera and Wells being equivalent players. But my point was about the $$$. That’s what I meant by 84 million reasons to keep playing Wells. The major drop off in Rivera was not in his defense, but in his contract. The team has much more invested in Wells than they had in Rivera and is therefore less likely to sit him. They wanted to give Wells every chance and then some to break out of his “slump.” I don’t think it is reasonable to assume they would have played Rivera the same number of games as they played Wells because they would not have had the monetary incentive to keep playing a lousy Rivera. Thus, other solutions could have been sought. One solution is Trout, but I also mentioned moving Howie around. Or they could have made a deadline trade. The Wells trade was the #1 thing that killed the teams flexibility. You can’t not count it.

by mrboma on Oct 2, 2011 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

You were clear enough

Your thought that they would have dumped Rivera and turned to a 19 year old kid, or converted their starting All Star second baseman to a position where he is a defensive liability, simply do not hold water.

Rivera’s productivity in past years was good enough for him to hold down LF all season. His productivity was pretty much the same as that of Wells, who held down LF all this season. There is little, if any, reason to believe that suddenly the light bulbs would have went off in the brains of Reagins & Sosh, and they would have realized that level of productivity is valueless simply because it comes in a package named “Rivera”, therefore radical changes would need to be made urgently.

Not those numbers. Not those decision makers.

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Oct 3, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wells also cost the team a chance of a mid-season trade

Without him they could have easily released Rivera and picked up a real left-fielder, or bullpen help, or whatever else was available.

by Suboptimal on Sep 30, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but too full of conjecture to quantify.

Historically, we fans have long suspected that when other GM’s come tot he table to deal with the Halos, their demands are quite high. Higher than what they demand from other teams. Whose to day what we could have lost in players/prospects if we actually were forced to pull the trigger on a deal to close a playoff spot in 2011?

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Historically, we fans have long suspected that when other GM’s come tot he table to deal with the Halos, their demands are quite high. Higher than what they demand from other teams.

I wonder why that is…

by Suboptimal on Sep 30, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why which is?

Why we fans think that way,
or…
why teams feel they can jack up their prices against us?

(If the latter, I actually had a chance to ask that question directly to Bill Stoneman when he was still GM. He dodged.)

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Post

It’s frustrating how we could have pointed to most of those events months ago, yet they still happened.

by JeffJoiner on Sep 30, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

2012 offseason

1. Sign Chunky Chocolate
2. If unable to sign Chunky Chocolate sign Douche J Wilson
3. Send Jeff Mathis into the Bemuda Triangle

Antonio Ramiro Romo for MVP

by KB_24 on Sep 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

cant do number three

The triangle is on a map…we can send him to omicron persci eight though.

by Halos in DE on Sep 30, 2011 10:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just make sure he's doped up first...

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Sep 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

O.T.

Red, have you seen this? LINK

by eyespy on Sep 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Checking it out now. Thanks.

Probably have — we get research updates from ALSA, but I may have missed that one.

Thanks.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Sep 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of this except

I don’t think ripping torii for first few months is being fair to the guy. Recently he acknowledged that he was playing hurt, I respect the guy for playing through it. I think his adjustment or play once healed speaks for itself.

I love Trout but you’re nuts if you think we could 1) count on him At the beginning of season and 2) expect him to smoothly sail through his first season at 19 without significant struggles. The guy is good. The guy only had 135 or so AB’s. Hardly an opportunity for teams to find all the holes.

Biggest miss in my opinion not signing Beltre.

by Dfresh on Sep 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Except that, according to reports, Hunter was still suffering from that same injury all the way through the season.

See here.

According to Sosh, the reason Hunter was sat in the final series was “sore quad”. This is the same injury Hunter had through at least June.

Without a medical report to declare one way or the other, it is possible to presume that Hunter was hurt all season, and dealt with it much better in the last couple of months than he did in the first 4.

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd respect him more if he would have stepped aside so someone healthy could play in his place.

Hurt players don’t perform well and are a detriment to the team.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Oct 1, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! Your punnage just inspired me.

Donald Duck in MathisMagicLand. TR as Donald Duck, getting schooled in stats by using Mathis as the flunky example.

Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.

by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

we the fans need to put pressure on the owner to do what boston is doing

the fans said enough is enough in boston. and that is what we need to do here. i for one am tired of mike scosia ball. it does not work and it has not worked since 02, and that was probably more the team and coaches than manager.

by hoffy loves the angels on Sep 30, 2011 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Last Offseason

The team brass came to the conclusion that the team’s most critical needs were in the bullpen and in the outfield (with an emphasis on defense). Thus, the [ultimately futile] pursuit of Carl Crawford. Though I’d rather have Crawford than Wells, the pursuit of Crawford was a mistake in and of itself. The one thing the Angels did NOT need was a long-term commitment to an outfielder. While I would hardly blame them for not expecting Trout to be ready this soon, they certainly should have expected to see him in 2012. Bourjos had already proved his worth defensively. Hunter had two more years left at that point as well. The last thing they needed was a long-term commitment to any outfielder, let alone an aging one with a bloated contract who was never that great to begin with.

by jjackflash on Sep 30, 2011 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

How many times did you and I ask for

this guy? A one-year rental. A health risk, but with huge upside.

The Mets ultimately received former 1st round pick Wheeler. Not sure if Garrett Richards or Tyler Chatwood would have been enough to satisfy them, but I’d have to think we’d have been in the ballpark. Heck, if we had traded Napoli and Rivera, we might have been OK with it. At least this guy produced.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Guide for Reagins

1) Non-tender Mathis yesterday.

2) Trade Abreu for BP help or keep him for bench depth.

3) Attempt to sign CJ Wilson or at least drive his price up.

3a) Seriously bid for Yu Darvish if he is posted.

4) Inject stem cells into Kendrys Morales’ ankle. Ask Bartolo Colon for instructions.

5) See if Howie Kendrick wants an extension.

6) Pay no attention to the Aramis Ramirez behind the curtain.

7) You do not know an Anthopolous. There is no Anthopolous. Toronto is a fictional city.

8) Actually get to the Winter Meetings. On time, even. Also, do something while there.

9) Learn what OBP, FIP and other valid stats are. Learn that CERA, RISP, etc are BS.

10) Whenever you are about to do something, ask yourself “Would an idiot do this?” If they would, then DO NOT do that thing.

 

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

<3 You Nate

but when your team leads the league in ERA and run prevention getting another pitcher probably isn’t ideal.

Being able to score runs would be nice.

Prince prease.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know...I'd like that too.

But realistically, any pitcher (except maybe CC) is going to be significantly less expensive than Prince or Pujols.

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prince is going to be going into his age 28 season and just had a .415 OBP season.

He is worth it.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

F*** it

Sign everyone.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get the financial rammipercussifications

and it will be a financial drag for exactly one year, 2012, then enough money comes off the books and enough contracts expire where we can play this lineup for dramatically less money than we have committed now:

CF Bourjos
3B Callaspo
1B Prince
DH Morales (Trumbo)
2B Kendrick
LF Wells
RF Trout
C Conger
SS Aybar

That is perfectly fine with me, youth and vets and Prince will justt be turning 30 with at least 2-3 years left of prime fire ball hitting.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

Question: Does he really bring donuts with him to the on deck circle?

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only with the bases loaded.

It takes energy to move that many men at once to home. I would know.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny!

Conger at catcher…how will you justify sitting Mathis and his (by that time) $7.8MM contract?

Seriously, that’s a nice lineup. Trout would be batting 3rd, though.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know what those numbers mean.

All I know is baseballs catch fire when he hits them out of the park. He is worth it.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh gawd

Tied for the most annoying character ever in Super Smash Brothers.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sleep, down B, win game

Put on sunglasses, walk into sunset with friends cursing behind you.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Kirby and Jigglypuff: Pinkish puffballs do not actually have powers. Stupid programmers.

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neither of those two

Were as bad as the little yo-yo boy controlled by an experienced player. That dude was nasty. His awesomeness was a great as yoshi’s suckitude.

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Sep 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ness was a dick

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, forget about that guy

Didn’t you have to unlock him? What kind of sick joke is that – unlocking a d-bag character that your one friend will always pick just to piss everyone off?

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last dude to be unlocked

and he was the mightiest of trolls.

Its one of those rare times you can make sense while screaming “Fuck your Yo-Yo, your 5 year old boy, your lightning bullshit, and your fucking baseball bat you cheap fuck”

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, along with a really bad day on the T-ball field.

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Snake from Metal Gear.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although that was Super Smash Bros: Brawl.

That’s the only Smash Bros. game I’ve played, but I played that one a lot.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darvish?

He will cost a lot posting + salary

Not sure he fits in the budget.

Plus given the track record of Japanese pitchers I am not sure I want him

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Oct 3, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

we should drive cj's price up to hopefully get him out of tejas

but we really dont need starting pitching

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Sep 30, 2011 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Let one of Santana, Haren or Weaver go down with an injury after a 230 IP season

Then tell me how you feel about a 3-5 of Chatwood, Williams and Richards for an undetermined length of the season.

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is a valid point, but what is more pressing?

A need you have (power hitters), or a need you might have later (starting pitcher)? The team should focus on its current weakness.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The power

But which is more realistic? The bidding for Fielder will probably start around $150 million. The bidding for Pujols will probably start around $180 million.

I would totally take one of these guys in a heartbeat, but I don’t see it happening unless Tony meant financially when he said he was going to be aggressive and creative.

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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

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