BIG SPLASH! Tony Reagins resigns as Angels general manager
by cupie on Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM PDT
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Remember when we thought we had a Ninja in the front office? Once upon a time, this site...nay, this Angels Community...actually made t-shirts that gave an inside joke-ish, nod-and-a-wink style shout of approval for our new GM, Mr. Tony Reagins. He signed a soon-to-be fan favorite Torii Hunter in a Del Taco, for pete's sake (in Corona, of all places)! He would swoop in at some random, unexpected time and BOOM!...the Angels would have a new player or two. I still remember seeing Joe Saunders in tears, in a post-game interview, after he'd learned (at about the same time the fans did, as well) the Angels traded him to Arizona for Dan Haren. Again, pretty Ninja stuff he was doing there. But, nonetheless, it was a great move, as was the Torii Hunter signing. Alas, the surprise Saunders/Haren ninja attack would be the last time Tony Reagins helped this ball club. We all know what would come later, but I'll sum it up as quick and painless as possible: we traded a really good guy for a very mediocre, and extremely expensive, guy. And with that, the guy we thought was Snake Eyes from G.I. Joe ended up being closer to Chris Farley in Beverly Hills Ninja.
But this is not a day to dwell on the past couple seasons of exorbitant payroll with nothing to show for it. No, this is a day to celebrate. We, the Angels fans who give a damn, wanted this guy to step down or be fired. And it happened. Let's hope he's replaced by someone a little more astute in the ways of Sabermetrics; someone who shows up to the Winter Meetings; someone who will do whatever it takes to pull the trigger when necessary. Or...who knows? Maybe deep down we all know Mike Scioscia is the real GM and...wait. Nah, you know what? I'm not even going there. There's plenty of time to think about the ins and outs of the front office, who will replace Del Taco Tony, etc. Until then, we should just enjoy this. Drink deep, ladies and gentlemen. Tony Reagins resigning ALWAYS goes down smooth.
Thanks to Mayhem for the write up. In addition, thanks to all the Halos fans who posted links to the Ninja's resignation. This is your team. This is your voice. Halos Heaven... welcomes you to the New Decade!
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FUCK YES!!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 2:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I think I wasted my F-bomb for September.)
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
YES from Cabo san Lucas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excuse me Senior, I need another beer!!
Please don't be a prank, please don't be a fake..............
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Wow ...
I can’t wait to see who all you haters blame when the Angels don’t win the World Series next year.
He was no worse than Buzzi Bavasi and no better than Bill Stoneman. What this does is puts Sosh in the hot seat next season.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Sep 30, 2011 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Wrong.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
To the first part, and if it puts Scioscia on the hot seat, even better!
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
i dont get how anyone could think/want scioscia to be on the hot seat
10 years, 6 playoff appearances, one WS title and ONE player who he plays that fans (who don’t know more about baseball than him) disagree over and now we want him gone??? How quickly you forget.
Fear the Fork
Well by those same standards
I would say he’s on the decline. Angels have missed playoffs 2 years in a row for first time since 2001— Scioscia’s first two seasons. He has managed the golden era of Angels baseball, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for those winning trends to continue.
I'm a pretty staunch defender of Scioscia
But I am also willing to acknowledge the man’s faults. He deserves credit for the 00’s, but he is not beyond reproach for his shortcomings now. I am in no way suggesting to fire him now, but I can’t exactly say he should be comfortable in his managerial position. There are changes that need to be made — overinvolvement in FO decisions is the biggest one. Hopefully the new GM will fix that.
I don't want Scioscia gone
I’d like for him to go back to doing what he does VERY well -
Manage the team.
In 2002, he took the pieces he was given by the GM and managed them to a World Series title.
In 2009, he took a team reeling from the loss of Nick Adenhart and managed them to the postseason.
My problem is that he has become a de facto part of the Front Office – and while he did a good job managing the parts he had this year, it was HIS hand forcing TR to deal Napoli to Toronto.
If the Angels had a GM who was in charge of the roster and a manager who just manged, they wouldn’t be saddled with Wells’ contract and have had the pain of watching Napoli hit bomb after bomb after bomb in a rangers uniform.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
This is why people are happy to see Reagins go.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
As his best coaches get snagged up by teams that end up making the play offs
Soth waits at home during October more, and more, often. Trend?
by eyespy on Sep 30, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There are still years worth of Reagins fallout for which he remains responsible.
This is basbeall. The runners on base are the responsibility of the pitcher who just got yanked.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
"Reagins, trickle-down"
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
Is Theo available?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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by Jay Cal on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
keep dreaming
He has his own mess to clean up
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
He already cleaned it the Reagins cleaned his last year.
Blamed someone else.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
What about Ned Colletti
If the Dodgers are sold, he might be available.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Serious?
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
by Nathan Aderhold on Sep 30, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Towers or Friedman
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Well, yeah.
I was just being LA-centric.
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
I would rather
Give Kim Ng a chance. She’s definitely got some baseball know-how.
She's been passed over too many times...
…wondering if there’s a problem
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
All we are saying.... is GIve Kim Ng a Chance!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Sep 30, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am an Ng Supporter
I think she is passed over because of that “experience” Catch-22 while also bearing the most forbidden of baseball organs – ovaries.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
I always support the vowel-challenged.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Colletti?
Only hire Colletti if you want him to trade Mike Trout for, say, Mike Lowell.
by jjackflash on Sep 30, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's on his way over to the Cubs
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Coletti and Tito in Chi-town
Dude, that would be pretty sick
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Is Granderson available?
Acuda Matata!!!!!!!!!
Bzzzzzzzzzz
I’m sorry, you are incorrect. He was horrid and an ass. Rehire Eddie Bean!
Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.
by anaheimisnotla on Sep 30, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Grichfan - TRs legacy will hinder this club for years
TR will get the blame until Wells contract is off the books.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Soth needs a little warmth under his seat!
He’s getting a little stuck in his ways, while his protege’s are off kicking ass as managers….
Best Friday in a long time. Epic news. Good bye Reagins!
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Sep 30, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Bleacher Report sent this out in an email so I'm guessing this is official.
There is a big smile on my face right now. :)
Listen to me most weekdays @ 10:30a PT http://greysonnation.wordpress.com
"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan
by Greyson Peltier on Sep 30, 2011 2:39 PM PDT reply actions
Bleacher Report = official
Damn, you are gullible.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
probably gets all his info from Wikipedia
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Since when does Wikipedia have a list of the Top 50 Hottest Female Golfers?
Captain, there are doubt''s...
by Match Day 5 on Sep 30, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just realized
this means Sosh & Puppets will now promote Shmony Shmagins, another puppet, to execute more shitty moves that make no sense.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This is Suboptimal's chance!!
The FO is LOADED with young fresh-faced college grads willwing to work for entry wages. Right up Arte’s alley!!
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any word on who will replace him?
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"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan
by Greyson Peltier on Sep 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Hopefully you
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thank you
but if I am offered the position (by whatever minute chance), I would recommend they look here for a more qualified candidate. Seriously, talent is on every corner around here!
Listen to me most weekdays @ 10:30a PT http://greysonnation.wordpress.com
"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan
by Greyson Peltier on Sep 30, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Best quality you have is to detect internet sarcasm with near 100% pin-point accuracy.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
^^^ for comment of the day.
Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"
The Geek.
by The OC Sports Geek on Sep 30, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It was evil of me, but I had to laugh
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 30, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The long night is over, Anaheim.
Now, step forth, boldly, into a new dawn.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
So, by resigning, Arte saves unemployment insurance fees.
Every nickel counts, I guess.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Wow
Hopefully we get his replacement soon. And it’s someone that uses an actual computer.
http://babiesboozeandboobs.wordpress.com/
by Sethy on Sep 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A computer?
I want our next GM to already have an iPad and a Kindle Fire pre-order.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Fanshots on this deleted?
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I dunno.
Soth clearly distanced himself from the Wells deal and he may have been a primary orchestrator for Ninja’s resignation.
You used to be cool, man.
I thought that trade had Soth written all over it, but maybe not afterall.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
This just made my day!
:D
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woohoo
only thing that can make this off-season better is the headline “vernon wells opts out of contract”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo
by ANewFoundThrice on Sep 30, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What about: "Vernon Wells Contract Lost; Left Fielder Forced to Re-Negotiate"
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BREAKING NEWS!! Actual footage of Tony Reagins leaving Arte Moreno's office!
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 28 recs
Hahaha!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 2:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's responsible for the Pic
A “little” inappropriate don’t you think
I play music for your entertainment
+1
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Just put the one up of him where he looks like a turtle.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Huh?
What pic? My work comp doesn’t load stuff sometimes.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's different now.
It was a clip of Boras crying sitting next to Reagins at the Adenhart news conference.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
It'll always be too soon
I play music for your entertainment
by Seik1177 on Sep 30, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe it's just vernon.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Arte must have heard him mention trading trout
;)
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Arte is a good businessman
he had to fire his ass before he broke anything else
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Sep 30, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE...
..serious
premium
by KENDRY on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
funny, but FAIL
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You think they'll hire
A 19-year old community college student with no front office experience like me?
I promise to do a better job than Reagins (bless his heart).
Tears of joy are flowing down my cheeks
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
by ryanfea on Sep 30, 2011 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This is a fair assement of Reagins tenure, IMO
Taken from a commenter on the above thread: **** are my comments
My quick review of TR:
The Good:
- Original Abreu contract Dan Haren trade
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- Jered Weaver contract **** This is a BIG get considering who Weaver’s agent is Drafting of Trout and fairly solid drafts overall since taking over (though most of this credit does go to scouting and Bane).
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— Torii Hunter deal (although it was pretty bad this year and will be awful next Hunter was a huge asset to the team)
The Bad:
- New Abreu contract Kazmir deal
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— Rodney deal
- Adding firing of Eddie Bane
- Trading Napoli
The Awful:
— Wells trade
Best moves were the ones he didn’t make:
- Chone Figgins John Lackey
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- K-Rod (at the Mets price) Mark Teixeira (at the Yankees price)
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- Carl Crawford (at the Red Sox price) Adrian Beltre (at the Rangers price) * I disagree with this. It wasn’t the money involved, it was the amount of years on the contract
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I honestly believe this a knee-jerk reaction. Am I enamored with Reagins? No. But he didn’t have the full-control that a GM normally does thanks to the guy sitting in the dugout.
I wrote a paper about this for a leadership communications class (yes, I got an A) – If you look at the chart on the Angels front office, Reagins and Sosh were listed on the SAME rung of the organizational ladder.
And I promise you – the next guy they get will be worse. If he/she isn’t, I’ll YouTube myself standing next to the statue of The Cowboy singing “Back in the Saddle”
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Tony Reagins is one of the worst GM's in the sport
He NEEDED to go.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
ima take you up on that
Antonio Ramiro Romo for MVP
by KB_24 on Sep 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
save this post. And I wear a size 8 in cowboy hats
I hope I’m wrong, but the issue is deeper than the GM
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
dash marks are not your comment-organizing friend.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this. I had justed commented earlier today the following:
“(I would like some thought around the idea that Reagins may not be the problem here. He may be more of a custodian than a driver of strategic discussions, and merely the public-facing fall guy for the REAL knuckleheads.)”
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So what does that mean
Does the team get another Yes Man? Promote Soth to GM or get someone to light a fire under his arse
Please - no excuses
TR ran baseball operations for the Halos. The manager and coaches report to him on the org chart. He was responsible for the farm system and the players on the major league roster. Soth and Arte of course had input into the baseball operations. However, the buck stops with TR.
If Soth ran all over TR, that is not Soth’s fault.
TR had to go. The team needs a new direction and fresh approach. TR had been with the Halos a long time. Changes happen. I believe the righteousness of this decision will be shown by whether or not TR gets another GM gig anytime soon.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
by mustard_man on Sep 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LA Times:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/reagins-out-as-angels-gm.html
Arte confirmes . . .
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From the article:
"In moving forward, we felt a change was needed," said owner Arte Moreno
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Looks like I'll have to re-order Dirctv's MLB package after a two-year protest.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
If we could somehow pull off Friedman, it would be better than signing any FA this offseason.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
We do need someone capable of dealing unmovable contracts to less than intelligent GMs
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
by IE Angel on Sep 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We will probably hire from within
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
It is a pipe-dream. But it's October. I'll dream it.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
They've been grooming MATHIS for the position.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that will stop him from playing catcher...
Angels win already!
by smithy610 on Sep 30, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need someone with a baseball background, so he'll have the cred to stand up to Soth.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Who's the Rays' assistant GM?
I heard he might be available a few weeks ago. The Rays know what the hell they’re doing. Let’s break off a piece of that.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They Have Gerry Hunsicker
former Astros GM working in some front office capacity. I think he was hired sort of as a tutor to Friedman, even though he’s technically below Friedman. The Astros were pretty successful when Hunsicker was running things.
Can Pat Gillick be talked out of retirement? Who’s the assistant to Amaro, Jr. in Philly?
mlbtraderumors.com
has a top 20 list. In the honorable mention is Matt Arnold Director Pro Scouting for the Rays
Rumor has it, teams across the nation with worthless old vets with huge contracts are crying right now.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Ha!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy Crap!!!
This is so dammed sudden, JOYFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!! but sudden. So who do we want in the GM spot? I want somebody that will tell Scioscia to manage on the goddammed field and stop trying to GM! And dump Mathis!!! I think I’m about out of exclamation points now.
by Jimatkins on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Holy shit, if they were to DFA him tonight I might not survive a heart attack.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Sep 30, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Charge them $87 million JUST FOR THE RIGHTS TO TALK TO HIM...
great plan.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking we would charge $90 million
And then surprise them by just giving him to them for nothing. They think they got a great deal, we look like the good guys, AND we make a profit.
4. ?????
5. PROFIT
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't you just sign a contract in Italy or something?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
TR out....
Confirmed…buy why all the excitement? This is just the first game in a short series. Soch was and still is defacto GM. THAT needs fixed !!!!
Napoli made a number of comments these past few weeks disparaging the “control” Soch likes to have on every part of the game. Micro-managing has not worked since 02 and will not work at the MLB level. Maybe time to give Soch the GM role and find a manager that knows what to do with a bat. [Of course, Soch would have to be told by Artie not to hire or trade for jockey sized players that like to bunt and to keep his fingers away from his nose, ears, and chin].
Really, we have a group of young rookies that will rock if allowed to “play” ball. Soch will ruin them as he has ruined the entire catcher corps, bullpen corps, and bench.
TR down…one to go.
by angelmike on Sep 30, 2011 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
First step to fixing that is hiring someone who outweighs Soth.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Louie Anderson for GM?
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll have to have double-reinforced stages for events and new conference next year.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
John Goodman...
(Insert big labowski quote here)
by aybars chew on Sep 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he could pay new players with bags of his dirty undies
“gimmie the ringer, dude”
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Oct 1, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
+1...
I finally see your thinking. I believe you’ve been beating this “micro-manager” drum for at least 2 years. People are JUST NOW finally catching on.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
3 bad years (Under .500)
3 average year (Under 90 wins)
6 excellent years (90+ wins)
I’d say he’s doing just fine. Napoli couldn’t get past his perceived issues of Scioscia “micro-managing” and needed to move on. There are some pretty good players on the team right now who seem to be doing just fine with “micro-managing”.
I play music for your entertainment
by Seik1177 on Sep 30, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Let's see. Did we have one batter, one, that finished above .300?
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
We had a game in August where all 9 were over .300
A couple years back.
Ebbs and flows.
Just like it’s ridiculous for Sox fans to be blaming Francona, I have a hard holding a grugde for a guy who’s managed the best period in Angels history.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
You get a temporary pass is all...
it’s a tough business.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Scioscia doesn't need to go
Just need someone who will make up for his weaknesses and control his irrational urges.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
If I recall... that was angelmike's premise a long time ago...
there needs to be better checks and balances … instead it all weighs in favor of the heavy Italiano.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying that Soth's fire in the belly is indigestion?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Nate, this is what I said a few days ago.... He's simply got too much power.
I think maybe things started to go downward when Arte gave him that long term contract.
Maybe some of the fear/fire goes away. In 2002 he had something to prove……Well, after the last two seasons I guess he now kinda does again.
Did anyone else notice that
TR out = TROUT!
by WhatShouldIThrowToday? on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did anyone else notice TR = Texas Rangers?
UGH… that essplains it
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scioscia has apparently developed a negative reputation
Take a look at fan comments on the “On Terry Francona” article on the Red Sox blog. Those fans don’t want Soth because of his favoring of Mathis and his perceived style. I think his style works in certain situations, but i generally don’t care for small ball mentality. I hate the sacrifice bunt.
Problem with that is
Hatcher would become the Manager
Could be the best Halos moment of 2011
Even topping Voodoo’s no-hitter… provided another fucking office intern isn’t being promoted to take Reagins job.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 30, 2011 2:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
JONAH HILL WAS AN OFFICE INTERN
AND HE SINGLE HANDEDLY MADE THE A’S THE BEST TEAM TO EVER PLAY.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
JONAH HILL ALSO SMUGGLED HEROIN UP HIS ASS ON A FLIGHT TO LOS ANGELES
I DO NOT WANT A GM WHO WILL TAKE THINGS UP THE ASS.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 30, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I mean this is as a 100%, dead serious, nonhyperbolic question
Who here honestly, completely seriously, thinks that a squad of, say 3-4 of the most brilliant baseball minds who are regular posters here on HH, could make for a better collective GM than Tony Reagins?
I’d say absolutely, yes.
But I don’t know.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just me and you, baby
we could take this team all the way.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Fuck the "most brilliant baseball minds" stipulation
because I know I’m not top 3-4 here.
And honestly, I’m pretty damned sure you and I could do it, too.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
ask Theo Epstein
I’ve heard if you have a big enough payroll and you emphasize OBP and score a lot of runs, you’ll definitely make the playoffs every year.
It’s just like fantasy baseball….
I make the playoffs every year
and won this year because Napoli and Prince hit me like 27 home runs in the last two days for a miracle comeback.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I got the 2 seed and was SUPPOSED to win thanks to my killer staff
Then 5 of my pitchers proceeded to break themselves over the final 3 weeks. Assholes.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was in first until July and had the best ERA by a long shot
then Ricky Nolasco and another pitcher (don’t remember which) both, within a day of each other, had 10ER, <2IP starts. Then Nolasco had another. And my season was over. In freakin’ JULY, two starts moved my entire team ERA up by like 10 points.
I finished 4th. By 0.5 points (Roto). 3rd place would have netted me $100.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what they did with the English soccer team Ebbsfleet United
Same thing could happen here. HH needs to run the club.
Note: Ebbsfleet isn’t top-notch soocer. But the premise is the same. Crowdsourcing sports decisions.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I say this with all seriousness
If I was to magically be able to by the Angels, I would definitely bring in Suboptimal and Matt Welch in some capacity. Honestly, I think my front office would be more of a board (2 stats guys, 2 scouts, 1 manager) working in collaboration with 1 leader who would digest all the information and make the final decision.
Typical. Goes on radio show then walks.
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Sep 30, 2011 2:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think he walked.
He probably wouldn’t have gone on the show yesterday if he was planning to do this today.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
True, sounds like Arte gave him a push.
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
AWB!
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 30, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Disar might just promote
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Sep 30, 2011 3:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This sounds horrible
Can we PLEASE get someone with experience???
I want the Chicago White Sox Asst GM.
http://babiesboozeandboobs.wordpress.com/
Omar Minaya has already gotten the call I bet
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Steve Phillips
Remembering Phillips made me wiki him. Came across this gem of a quote:
In the late 1990s, Phillips assembled a Mets team made up of stars, such as Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, and Robin Ventura, and excellent role players, that played in the 2000 World Series against the New York Yankees. He is also credited with drafting David Wright, Scott Kazmir, and Lastings Milledge, and signing José Reyes. Additionally, Phillips is criticized for acquiring aging and ineffective players with large contracts such as Mo Vaughn, Roberto Alomar, Pedro Astacio, Mike Bordick, Bobby Bonilla, Rickey Henderson, Kenny Rogers, and Jeromy Burnitz. He had an uneasy, if not volatile relationship with manager Bobby Valentine, and when Phillips decided to fire Valentine before the 2003 season, many expected the GM to be next. He traded future star, Jason Bay, and also attempted to trade star shortstop José Reyes to the Cleveland Indians.
God, that sounds like the current Angels FO. Great drafts and terrible Free Agent signings. I hope we don’t turn into the modern-day Mets as the result.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Don't worry
we’re at least a ponzi scheme away from that…and Arte is too smart for something like that to happen.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is the thebigtizzle? He needs to be here for this
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He is cleaning out his office.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
by IE Angel on Sep 30, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahahaha!
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"You'll all see"
what.ev.er.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
'tizzle lurks here nearly every day.
Trust me. He is here.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
God, if Scioscia goes next
I’ll cry tears of joy.
by GTFO Fernando on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not on this wagon
Just think back to the pre-Scioscia years.
http://babiesboozeandboobs.wordpress.com/
by Sethy on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Most people here don't remember back that far ...
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
I know that two days ago Vernon Wells sucked.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
UPDATE:
HE STILL DOES
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scioscia's time is up
Thank him for all he’s done and move on.
by GTFO Fernando on Sep 30, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Scioscia is the guy who was running things around here, not Reagins.
His act is tired.
by GTFO Fernando on Sep 30, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not according to anonymous sources actually in the FO...
According to said sources, Reagins ran the thing like a dictatorship.
Sure Sosh had influence and probably pressured Reagins to a good extent—but Reagins is the one who made the calls and pulled the triggers, not Sosh.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Wrong.
Spot a strong GM.
Force an upgrade in coaching staff.
Leave Mike right where is.
All will be well.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Sep 30, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Listen to me most weekdays @ 10:30a PT http://greysonnation.wordpress.com
"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan
by Greyson Peltier on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+ a bunch
make one change, see what happens. THEN call for a Soth beheading if it continues to tank. How else are you going to be able to place blame solely on TR without proof??
I'm an Angels fan
I don't think that would be a good move.
We won the world series based upon his work. That says it all.
Listen to me most weekdays @ 10:30a PT http://greysonnation.wordpress.com
"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan
by Greyson Peltier on Sep 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
... What?
"How much more money could you possibly need?" -Weaver
by Zoe Necrosis on Sep 30, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
my dreams came true today!!!!
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Sep 30, 2011 3:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
If it gets him out of the lineup
then making Mathis GM would INSTANTLY make us a better ball club.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
dangit..
why I gotta keep rec’ing all your damn posts??? ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Cuz when I'm not being a dick I can actually (sometimes) be funny
too bad I’m a dick 95% of the time. :(
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
So how long you been married?
BA-ZING
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Christmas came early!
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Sep 30, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
Hula dula the FO rula. They need a GM that will go against the grain.
They need to have free reign from Soth. This should be enteresting. Soth to GM and Tito to manage scenario won’t surprise me.
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Sep 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This move is a FAIL
TR wasn’t the problem.
He was just the Straw Man for the REAL problem – the manager with a 10-year contract, absolute power and a love for “defensive-minded” catchers who make Mario Mendoza look like Ken Griffey (Sr. & Jr.).
I’m not saying MS needs to go either. But the team needs a GM who is going to have full GM powers to cut the teacher’s pets (like Mathis).
What really happened here? In light of missing the playoffs for consecutive seasons for the first time in 10 years, “someone” had to go to appease the vocal minority of fans who think this team should be in the World Series every year.
Arte Moreno doesn’t even believe this team should be in the World Series every year, otherwise, he would have opened his wallet to re-sign Tex and Lackey and sign Beltre and Crawford.
BUT in creating a $140 million payroll and getting rid of TR, I believe the Angels (pushed by crazed fans) have taken yet another step toward the Dark Side in emulating the Yankees and the Red Sox.
But I guess all about winning at all costs.
I’ll never stop being an Angels fan – but it doesn’t mean that I agree with this. I hope – and pray – that I’m wrong and the Angels get a quality GM and they win the West next year and contend for the Series.
But IMO, this move set the team back at least 3 years
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Are we allowed to flag things for being clearly wrong?
Or is that intolerant of other people’s opinions?
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Flag it if you likfe
But the guy who REALLY runs the team is still there and the puppet is gone.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Truth can be in this...
I wonder how much of Scioscia’s fingerprints are on the VW deal?
I hope that part of this is that there is some “closed door” meeting between Arte and Soth where Arte truly “goes biblical” and tells Soth to “back the hell off” and let the new GM be a real GM with brass nuts.
Scioscia needs a little nut-snipping IMHO.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Even if that is true (which it is to a degree), what's wrong with having the opportunity to get a strong-minded GM?
One that will put the Soth in his managerial place and for starters, DFA Mathis.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
"TR wasn't the problem"
except for the time that he traded a top 5 offensive catcher in all of baseball and a 4th outfielder, both under club control, for an over the hill outfielder with the 2nd largest contract in baseball who has OPS’d under .800 for his entire career, thus creating a logjam that keeps the best prospect in baseball out of our lineup.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right - He physically made the move
But who was the guy who really pulled the trigger on that? The manager
Why? Because Napoli and Rivera weren’t “his” guys and Mathis is.
Darth Vader didn’t build the Empire – The Emperor did. I’m just saying
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nope
even if you insist that Scisocia said “I want Napoli off my team,” (and he may very well have made it clear that was his desire), he did not play a role in:
1) choosing vernon wells as the return piece
or
2) negotiating the amount of money that came over in return
And those are the parts that matter the most.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly. in fact, if napoli had stayed, he would have played at first while mathis played catcher, and we would have never found trumbo.
We wouldn’t have had Napoli instead of Mathis
We would have Napoli instead of Trumbo
which is a much different comparison.
Not Necessarily
Napoli would have gotten some AB at DH, too. Perhaps at Abreu’s expense. For that matter, Trumbo might have gotten a bit of time in LF (we know they weren’t thrilled with Rivera). My guess is that Trumbo would have made his way into the lineup. Most likely scenario is that Conger would have been at SLC all year, and eventually they would have found ABs for both Naps and Trumbo (and Abreu’s option would not have vested).
well... guess we gotta agree to disagree there. What happened last year happened because Kendrys Morales was out for the season.
This season ended up the same way, Kendrys Morales was gone the whole time. What would have changed that would have caused Sosh to do something different? Mathis hitting poorly? No… I think he would have continued playing Napoli exactly how he did last year.
keep in mind, without trumbo HAVING to have those at-bats, he wouldn't have gotten those at-bats.
If he hadn’t gotten those at-bats, theres no way we would think of him as a rookie-of-the-year candidate. Its not like he was a highly-touted prospect or anything like Mike Trout.
supposition...
maybe Trumbo thrives in the role of part-time left fielder? Who knows.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
true, who knows. I'm not saying it absolutely would have ended that way, I'm simply saying its quite likely it would have ended that way.
at least in my opinion. Trumbo was our triple-A first baseman this year. He was our triple-A first baseman last year. He wasn’t a highly touted prospect. If napoli were around, he would have kept his bat in the lineup through first base, not at catcher.
"To acquire a player of vernon's caliber..."
Soth seems pretty guilty, there, man.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That really doesn't, to me...
sound like a guy who chose the player being traded for. It sounds like a guy toeing the company line after the fact.
It’s certainly possible he had some say in it, but all THAT quote says to me is that Scioscia wasn’t going to publicly ridicule the trade with a disparaging remark…nevermind criticize one of his active players.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the Eddie Bane situation?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you on that one -
I even pointed that out in an above post.
But TR isn’t/wasn’t the devil we need to fear…
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Why don't we wait and see who the new guy is before concluding that this is bad?
You’re not wrong that somebody is needed who will overrule Scioscia and make better personnel decisions. Maybe Arte sees that after this season and intends to find someone who will fit the bill.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I followed everything until the last line.
How does this move set us back? We can get someone who’s higher profile and strong enough to stand up to Sosh IF everything else you say is the truth.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I lost it here:
pushed by crazed fans
DUDE! We threw away two tradeable commodities for a flaming sack of DOLLARS WASTED and PROSPECT-BLOCKING SHIT.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is this lyle spencers' new SBNation account?
by pvinet on Sep 30, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grichfan used to work or still does for the OCR
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Him and Bill Plunkett are probably having a good laugh right now.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Sep 30, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You may well be entirely correct about who is the real problem, I don't know
but it does not at all necessarily follow that this was a bad move.
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
OK.. I most likely went overboard on that one
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Is this Tony's son?
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahem
This post is a FAIL
Grichfan wasn’t the problem
He was just the FALL MAN for the REAL problem- people who actually believe stupid bullshit they hear from every generic front office PR person. Grichfan’s posts make Halowood look like Grantland.
What really happened here? In light of missing the point consistently the entire year and ignoring stats and things like payroll and contractual agreements, Grichfan made this post to appease his inner attention whore and to see how many replies he could get. (At least we hope, no one could be this wrong)
Rev Halofan doesnt believe in banning people for being outright stupid, otherwise, Grichfan, PhiSlamma, CKOD and Comm Nate would have been gone long ago.
BUT in creating the singular worst post this offseason in literally the first day, I believe Grichfan (pushed by his gullibility and love for paint chips as a child) has taken yet another step towards replacing Halowood full stop while making a Lyle Spencer-esk twitter account.
But I guess its all about getting replies at all costs.
I’ll never stop hating Tony Reagins- but it doesn’t mean that I can let other people be so openly wrong and awful at posting about baseball. Ihope-and pray- that I am wrong and Grichfan is actually a huge fucking troll and he jsut got me good.
But IMO, this post sets this entire site back three years.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
On a scale from zero to 1
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd go with a 6.
Had some rough patches, couldn’t stick the landing.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Sometimes I look at you and I'm sad because you didn't 'rec' my simpsons youtube above
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
OOooh... and a 4.0 from the East German judge.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Honestly, the 4 of us probably should have been banned 37 times by now.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you talking about me?
Cuz you’re probably way off.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been banned more than that
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Actually
it’s literally the second day of the offseason
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
Actual photo of Phi after hitting the POST button
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 30, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Arte Moreno doesn’t even believe this team should be in the World Series every year, otherwise, he would have opened his wallet to re-sign Tex and Lackey and sign Beltre and Crawford.
That is not how I recall those transactions at all. Boras dangled Tex to Arte merely to jack up the asking price from the Yankees, where Tex and his wife wanted to go all along. Lackey was already emotionally out the door, not because of Arte’s money, and his wife also wanted to go home, and the Angels had a better readon Lackey’s value than Boston did. Beltre was not about per-year money, but about stupid negotiating deadlines and (eventually) term length. And Crawford was more about the inability of Reagins to close the deal he had actually won with the amount of money that Arte had already granted. If reports are accurate, Arte never got to counter the Red Sox offer.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
You're WRONG, man
we should have signed LACKEY AND CRAWFORD.
LOOK AT BOSTON, THEY GOT BOTH OF THEM AND NOW THEY’RE SO DOMINANT.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, you have a point there.
THE WICKEDNESS TEAM IN ALL HISTORY, EVAH!!
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I HATE Coling Cowherd
but man, his Red Sox fan parodies on the radio the last few days mocking them have almost had me crying tears of joy.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
*Colin
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Further to his credit...
Colin has been the one who had admitted that the whole Boston Nation phenomenon, and the ensuing revenue, are the direct historical result of ESPN bias.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Dying of laughter the last few days...
“Fitz and Sully crying over their Sam Adams and Chowdah!” The guy has been priceless on the red sox the last couple weeks.
Formerly known as AlohaHalofan
by Erick Danielsen on Sep 30, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you give the voice of the crazed fans too much credit for wielding any power at all with the FO.
Your 2011 PreGame Picks Champion of the World!
The fact you said Arte should have resigned Lackey discredits everything you have said
I'd like to DFA Reagins
We need a forward thinking, Sabermetrically minded GM
No more AVG bullshit, in with the WAR, OBP, etc
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
You down with OBP?
I’m down with OBP.
And I’m at WAR with A-V-G.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
...oh you!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Sep 30, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW8j3x3GzxY
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
if mr. 4,000 doesn't say it
It isn’t true.
by Halos in DE on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Strike one off the wish list!!
Tony Reagins: Gone, but forgotten!
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
by Nathan Aderhold on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
hahahha i misread at first, i thought it meant Tony Reagins Re-Signs as Angels GM.
You know like.. they had signed him, and they just signed him again for more years. Talk about news going from zero to awesome in about 2 seconds!
There's a whole damn fanshot on RE-SIGN versus RESIGN
look that up, dude, it’s great edumacation.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what i thought!
I came thiiiiiiiisss close to buying a rays jersey just then
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There you go
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/mlbtrs-gm-candidates.html
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Brian Cashman sucks
you don’t get credit for big gets for big dollars especially with the bad gets. I mean dont forget Giambi, Abreu (young), Randy Johnson, Carl Pavano, and the many other mistakes. having the dough and having a place called “yankee stadium” helps a lot too. Cashman would be awful with a limited and smaller market Angels franchise.
When you work for the Steinbrenners
it’s sometimes difficult to tell which decisions were Cashman’s, and which were forced upon him. The Yankees have done a surprisingly good job of developing young talent in the last few years. See, e.g., Robinson Cano; Jesus Montero; Ian Kennedy; Austin Jackson; David Robertson. All the while, the Yankees have either been drafting at the end of the first round, if at all (losing lots of picks to free agency).
I know he was against giving Soriano $30 mil or whatever
And he at least tried to play hardball with Old Man Jump-Throw.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He got bitch slapped by old man jump throw
That contract is about as bad as the GMJ one…without nearly the criticism.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I know he was overruled on Soriano
And he probably would have been shot on sight if Jeter didn’t come back. He’s smart, but he’s not suicidal.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Alternatives
They could have given Jeter $200 million, and it wouldn’t have been as bad (from a PR perspective) as being the GM who released Derek Jeter. Cashman would have been found floating in the East River if he’d let Jeter go.
Honestly?
I think you’re overstating a bit how much Yankees fans were dying to see 3 years of mediocrity at SS. A lot of guys I know were okay with him getting 3,000 and then being gone.
But aside from that, Cashman didn’t have to RELEASE him…he just didn’t need to dump that kind of money on him either. Jeter walked into the room with no statistical leverage, and walked out being paid as one of the best SS in the game. He could have put his foot down somewhere short of $45 million without letting him walk away, either.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Leverage
He’s Derek Jeter. He IS the Yankees. He had no “statistical” leverage, but he had every other kind of leverage there is…namely, being Derek Jeter. It’s impossible to overstate how much he’s loved. Again, I’m only half-kidding when I say they would have found Cashman in the East River.
I'm from the place, I know what it's like there.
I don’t need a reminder of how much the guy “means” out there.
But that’s not leverage. Let’s be honest. The Yankees are a brand unto themselves…with or without Jeter. He leaves, with a fair contract on the table, and guess what happens? They still sell out games. They still sell jerseys. Hell, they probably get an “OMG HE’S FINALLY GONE, LET’S HURRY OUT AND GET HIS JERSEY” boost from the moment.
His leverage is his name…and so is the Yankees’.
Any backlash from Jeter lovers that hits the Yankees in the pocket is almost instantly absorbed in some other respect. How many people are REALLY not going to go to games, buy jerseys, or watch on TV because of one guy, no matter who he is? The PR would be short lived.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm making a painting to commemorate this entire useless, tangential discussion
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
When are you going to present it to me?
I want my head on a CENTAUR, if you’re wondering.
So I can put it above my bed.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I know
I meant to reference the shortshop-on-the-yankees-who-can-actually-play-shortshop.
ba-zing!
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
In Either Case
for the Yankees, the money is irrelevant. The only real concern (for them) is whether he’s still capable of playing. The real hard part will be on the manager who has to tell Jeter he’s being pulled from the lineup (so from that perspective, maybe Cashman would have been better off giving him a super-shitload-ton of money for just 2 years. But again…I don’t think the Jeter contract is a sign that Cashman is not a good GM.
Nor do I
I think the best anyone can say about the guy is ‘I don’t know.’
You can’t say he’s a bad GM because of the titles and the young talent.
You can’t say he’s a good one, because he’s spent his career surrounded with an unprecedented amount of money to work with. He’s had a 400m head start in a mile long race every year over every GM.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
What I will say
is that I think he’s definitely savvier than Reagins. The story of him having a public dinner with Crawford’s agent just to scare the Red Sox into offering up more money is revealing.
Right before I read this
I tossed a solo cup 1/6th full of stale peanut M&M’s in the trash can behind my work desk. That’s a true story.
That cup of M&M’s was savvier than Reagins.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And Jeter may be an (undeserved) NY God
but I think if fans saw in the media that Jeter walked away from an (evenly slightly) lesser offer than what he got, that he was being selfish, greedy and, above all, not the “true captain” and “leader” he’s always been called with zero basis.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If Jeter gets 3/30
and turns it down, Cashman’s not getting lynched. I can assure you. I’m not underselling Jeter here. New York loves Jeter. New York is also fickle.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"Selfish, greedy, not a true captain and leader"
You just described the majority of Northeastern regional sports fans – at least, from what I know.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
360's contract almost pays for itself
The skankees only have to figure out how to pay the rest of them bums
Meanwhile
You think that the Yankees’ acquisition of Bobby Abreu in 2006 was a BAD idea? All he did was post an OPS+ of 138 in Aug/Sep. of ’06, an OPS+ of 113 in 2007 and 120 in 2008. The guys Cashman gave up in the deal (which also sent the late Cory Lidle to the Yankees) have done virtually nothing. C.J. Henry appears to be out of baseball. Jesus Sanchez is a double-A pitcher in the Brewers organization. Carlos Monasterios had one middling season as a swing starter/middle reliever with the moribund Dodgers. Matt Smith has been out of baseball since 2008.
Ooh, Thad Levine
Make the Rangers angry.
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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
AAHDFKLDFHKLSDJFKLDJKLFJDFKLJDKLFJDKFJDK!!!!!!!!1
That is all.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
Haha
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
SPC7, is that you?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Sep 30, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
First TR gets the boot, now The Rays
Are up 6-0 in the 4th!! :’) good day!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Tigers are douches too.
Too bad they both can’t lose.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
"I looked up and saw the Goodyear blimp ... it said 'Tony Reagins is a DOLT!'"
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
His wikipedia had "Dolt" as his middle name for a while
A long while. It was finally changed about a month or so ago.
Tony Reagins still must have some sort of incriminating photos of Angels front office staff. Dude shits the bed in his GM job, resigns, still gets to work for the team.
He’s very good at failing up.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 3:22 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, I guess I just expected them to realize how much TR has screwed the Angels that they'd run him out on a rail.
The fact that it was a “resignation” shows the FO are a bunch of softies. Not that it’s a bad thing, though.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the guy has been in the organization
For 20 years… He must have done somethings right. Happy ending all around!! :)
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Meh
he lost the more important job.
Some in-title-only position tucked away on the staff is probably just a way of saying “you weren’t ready for this, but you still have a role here.”
I don’t know enough about him to know if he fits well in some other role with the club. He was doing something right to get him promoted to begin with, so I don’t mind him still being here.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I just got the email from angels.com
What a glorious day!
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions
Fittingly, it came about an hour after the email
sent to me about how they will issue my refund for the postseason tickets.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo hoo!
I had been waiting for that email:
September 30, 2011 – The Los Angeles Angels Friday announced that General Manager Tony Reagins has resigned from his current role with the organization and will remain with the ballclub as a special assistant to Club Chairman Dennis Kuhl. The move is effective immediately.
“Though we finished 2011 with a winning record, we remained short of our objective in winning a championship,” said Angels Owner Arte Moreno. “In moving forward, we felt a change was needed.”
“Throughout his career, Tony has meant a great deal to this organization, and represented the Angels with the utmost loyalty and dedication. He will always remain part of the Angels family,” added Moreno
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, part of the family, just like the crazy aunt.
They’ll probably need a new lock for the basement door, though. Ninjas are stealthy like that.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Sep 30, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Loose Lips...
I’m sure his comments about Trout “moving” yesterday didn’t help him much. It’s just 2y too long in coming.
S
He didn't say Trout was moving
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
TX getting embarrased and Tony Reagins is no longer an Angel.
Is it my birthday? Somebody pinch me. :)
We needed this therapy after Tuesday and Wednesday's beat-downs.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as I'm concerned, the Angels didn't even play Wednesday
Only the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, and Orioles played that day.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I attended a "50%-off" shopping experience held at 2000 Gene Autry Way...
I see your point.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I only got my rally monkey for 40% off
I feel as ripped off as Arte must about Vernon Wells!
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
My kid went up to a roving vendor to get a foam finger...
he walks away with a PURPLE ralley monkey. Fut the whuck???? He was Reagins’d, er uh, fleeced by that vendor.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he pay the price of an autographed Tim Salmon jersey for the monkey?
Because that would be in the TRUE spirit of getting Reagins’d.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Pujols, Longoria, Cliff Lee, Halladay
NOW LET’S GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
One other quality I'd like to see in the new GM: Some negotiating skills
Whether it’s dealing with agents like Boras for top-tier players or sitting down with Arte and saying “look, I know you don’t like to be used for leverage, but if you want players that will help you win, you gotta be fleixible play the game a little bit.”
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
Well, besides that. That's obvious.
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by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Then get rid of mathis and maybe vernon somehow and the world would be complete!
conger > mathis
by ihigh on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone should post on VW's facebook
You know your trade was the nail on his coffin, right?
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 3:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
First Doughty signs, now this!
It’s Christmas in September!
by LA Seitz on Sep 30, 2011 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
what's a doughty?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Angels fan and a Kings fan. There are so few of us.
Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.
by anaheimisnotla on Sep 30, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we all know this was not a "voluntary" resignation
::KNOCK KNOCK::
Tony: “Oh Hi Arte. Hi Dennis. What’s up? I was just lookking at some ways we could in Manny Ramirez next year or maybe bring back Kazmir.”
Arte: "Tony, we will accept your resignation stepping down as GM effective immediately."
Tony: "But wait, what about this? I thought we would trade Mike Trout and Peter Bourjos for Johnny Damon and straight up."
Arte: "Exactly my point. You have failed, but rather than embarrass you, you can do this now, or be fired by the end of the day. Your Choice."
Dennis: “We have prepared a statement for you. Sign here, here, and here.”
My faith in Arte’s commitment to winning has been restored.
Downing joining the Angels HOF is a great start, but #5 shouold be retired by the Halos. Make it happen Arte!
by BrianDowningFan on Sep 30, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
sorry
its looking not lookking
Downing joining the Angels HOF is a great start, but #5 shouold be retired by the Halos. Make it happen Arte!
by BrianDowningFan on Sep 30, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Vernon Wells should buy Tony Reagins some lunch, dinner, and maybe a house, As a token of hes appreciation.
conger > mathis
Just buy him AN ENTIRE DEL TACO in which he can LIVE
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Halle-fricken-lujah!!!!!!!!!!
For every wise man there are a hundred morons... be carefull who you take advise from.
by The Mikay on Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
WE SHOULD GET BRAD PITT I MEAN BILLY BEANE
HES SO AWESOMEZ ESPECIALLY THE PART WHERE HE HELPS THE A’S WIN GAMES LOLZ
BRONG THE DH TWO TEH NL!!!!!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
AND
WE CANS HAS THAT FAT KID WHO WAS GUD AT BASEBALLING ON HIS COMPUTER MACHINE
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
What a dummy that guy is.
His weight loss pretty much shuts the door on him ever being funny again.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Dud got himself Ninja'd.
What’s next, I wonder.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
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I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
YOU RANG?
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
What's his CERA?
Actually, never mind, he’ll do.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Sep 30, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That one's from Minnesota, not Wisconsin
good try
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to start dancing in my office and throw documents in the air
but I kind of don’t want to get fired
You mean
you don’t want to get Reagins’d?
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
dont worry u can have a job at my business doing the same.
angel loyality for life!
conger > mathis
Some times you gotta man up.
There will always be a place for underpaid 7-11 night managers. And think of all the games you can then follow during your daylight hours!
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Oh shit. That explains everything.
I feel your pain. I worked 17 years for a BIG downtown LA firm. I know whereof you speak.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
DON'T DO IT!!!
You should already be witness to the way that new Associates get crucified.
Your firm probably has a Precedents List. See if somebody has The List for the past 5 years. Grab a bottle or two of your favorite beverage and compare those lists from year to year, focusing on the attrition rate. And that is just for those graduates who make it beyond THIS.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I do believe that I gave this same warning to you, long ago!
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I was considering law school briefly as well
Half-heartedly took the LSAT after being peer pressured to do it by some friends. I had also just started working at a firm here in SD (where I am currently sitting, actually).
That was a little over 2 years ago, and what I’ve seen of the profession, the cost, and the advice of several people I work with led me to change my mind. I guess my advice is to be really sure you want to do it. You don’t wanna be out there hating what you do, or worse, being 6 figures in the hole and forced to wait tables because you can’t find a job with your JD.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And that would be "6 figures in the hole"
on a loan that cannot be forgiven. Ever. Not even bankruptcy can clear you of this obligation. They will hound you and your family to the gates of perdition and get that money back. Your thoughts of being Sam Waterston in action will devolve into a permanent life of indentured servitude behind the bar at your nearest Claim Jumper, clinging to that financial health that comes from renting somebody else’s townhouse.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
I clapped in my cubicle...
LOUDLY
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wells and Mathis should take a page out of Reagins book...
Minor League Ball's 2010 Rookie of the Year Poster
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
i give TR credit.
He is admiting his mistakes. And he is holding himself accountable for his bad moves. As hard as we are on Tony at least he got this one right.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 3:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Huh?
Do you mean AM, as in Arte Moreno admitted his mistakes? I ain’t heard a damn thing out of Tony Reagins’ mouth admitting ANY WRONGDOING.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he means Todd Rundgren
who recently apologized for unleashing “Hello it’s me” on humanity
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Sep 30, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
By resigning.....
I mean unless Arte asked him too. If it was Tony who initiated it then cool
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Tony was asked to resign - it's clear in the media release
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Oh ok then go arte.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
New GM
First step is to release Mathis so Soth can’t play him any more.
Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.
For real
When can teams officially non-tender people? This needs to be the first order of business.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Shhh
Don’t jinx it.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
They could release him today if they felt like it
The “tender” deadline is just the final day to offer a new contract.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av8NTy5WkFc
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 3:55 PM PDT reply actions
Someone should post on VW's facebook
You know your trade was the nail on his coffin, right?
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Angels need an outsider. Someone shrewd, tough, not afraid to piss people off and always ready to pull the trigger.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
stadium concessions would be upgraded big time, that's for sure
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My only fear is that his first move would be to try and liquidate the team, then turn the stadium into a commercial hunting ground.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
start in left field
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We are the 3 coolest people on here.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And now the important part.....the replacement
PLEASE hire someone who has an appreciation for and understanding of advanced statistics and basic, high school level economics.
RIP Nick Adenhart
You'd think so
but then again, we went and hired someone who possessed neither last time we did this
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor has it, Mickey Hatcher will serve as both the GM and Hitting Coach.
You heard it here first.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
All newly signed free agents will have written into their contracts to adjust their stance, lower theirs hands and shoot the ball the other way.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
And it's OK to swing at the first pitch
That might be the best pitch you sell your entire at-bat.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
* You'll see
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Meanwhile
Has anyone noticed that 22 year-old Matt Moore has shut out the Rangers on 2 hits through six innings?
Texas still hungover. TB didn't have enough time to get all their drinking in.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Naps' suitcase was filled with dirty g-strings
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
a manager that trust his rookies over veterans???
conger > mathis
Timmy Salmon for GM
and Suboptimal and Turks Teeth for his assistants
by Raaddad on Sep 30, 2011 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Ha!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 30, 2011 4:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cute - but Tony is staying on with the Halos
He’s an assistant to Dennis Kuhl.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
"Payroll Manager"
I literally just laughed out loud
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Did not see this coming
From the comments yesterday, I just assumed Reagins would be given another chance next season. Even if Arte did make a move, I couldn’t dream of it being this soon. But action is good, even if it is one offseason too late. I’m happy to see action.
But what does it mean? Are the Angels ready to change their way of thinking? Or is Reagins just an amputation, a necessary severance to preserve the rest of the sickly body?
I actually kind of agree with Grichfan, even though I can’t agree that this is a bad thing that will ultimately cost the organization. Reagins took part in a number of tremendous errors, and he deserves to be fired for his participation, no matter what it was. We’re all better off now that he’s gone.
Still, this looks like Tony was made to fall on his sword. That makes me think this didn’t happen because it was best change to make, but because it was the easiest. It’s as if he was powerless to protect himself. If he didn’t have the influence to save his job, he probably wasn’t primarily responsible for the organization’s problems. And if that’s true, then his resignation may have been designed as a red herring, a welcome distraction for an embattled front office.
We’ll have to see what happens. If Moreno just promotes another flunky, then we’ll know for certain that Arte and Scioscia sacrificed Reagins to atone for their own sins. Nothing will change. The tyranny of CERA and gritty veteran-ness will continue. But if the Angels bring in something experienced and determined—I’m thinking about Cashman here—then all reservations will fade.
Okay, now maybe I am holding my breath.
by Suboptimal on Sep 30, 2011 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
While you are holding your breath, stay close to your phone.
If the Halo FO reads this blog, that phone is gonna ring any day now.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
Tony stuck a knife in Eddie Bane and the trainer after last season
Respectfully, it’s really hard for me to feel he’s a victim in all this.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Great point
“is Reagins just an amputation, a necessary severance to preserve the rest of the sickly body?”
It is a question that actually squashes a little bit of my excitement over this move. I cannot see Arte and Carpino bringing in somebody who could potentially go against what they want.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It may have been BECAUSE of the comments made yesterday that the trigger was finally pulled
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't believe so - the comments on Trout were nothing.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
oh, the vernon trade was fine
but an ambiguous no-substance radio interview did it? right.
There are 3 reasons Tony is being fired:
1. Vernon Wells
2. Scott Kazmir
3. Fernando Rodney
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Sep 30, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No but the strategic plan going forward to repair the Roster is a critical task right now.
Based upon what TR espoused both publicly and probably to management you HAD to mke this move NOW
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
4. ??
5. LOSS!!!!!!!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Kazmir is the only one I can't agree with
I realize Kazmir forgot what baseball was, but at the time the trade seemed to make sense. A lefty strike out artist to round out a much needed rotation spot. Not to mention, while wearing a halo, his ‘09 regular season ERA was 1.27. I can’t fault Reagins for that. I fault him for everything else, though.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Scott Karmis' 2009 ERA was 4.89.
He had a 5.92 ERA when TR thought it would be a good idea to trade for him.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
He should have been fired during the season
this is just all too convenient. the old wink wink, yeah I quit, but he’s still a part of the organization.
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Sep 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
TRUTH
then his resignation may have been designed as a red herring, a welcome distraction for an embattled front office.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
The Mighty Arte has spoken.
I think ....
They should hire the dog whisper guy…. If he can shape up rabid pitbulls then he should have no problem with sosh
by aybars chew on Sep 30, 2011 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally, I'm unmoved.
But here’s Rex’s take:
Tony Reagins steps down as Angels General Manager. Fans, a move like this was unavoidable. A team with such a high pay roll that doesn’t make the playoffs two years in a row? Someone has to take the blame, and unfortunately, that had to be Tony. Could be good for the organization though to get a fresh set of eyes this offseason and hopefully some big moves. Also, my old friend Terry Francona relieved as the Red Sox manager. This is a bit more shocking, but once again, someone has to be held responsible.
"How much more money could you possibly need?" -Weaver
I know, right!!
Aaaaand…. the rangers are getting spanked!
Go Tampa Bay!
by Halo Hurricane on Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Rex Hudler?
Where did you get that quote?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You can Friend him on Facebook.
Course, he’s kind a slow with it. I sent him a friend request well over a year ago and he only a week ago figured out how to approve it.
"How much more money could you possibly need?" -Weaver
by Zoe Necrosis on Sep 30, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Homie don't play facebook
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Tony Reagins has dysentary...
Now if we can only lose Jeff Mathis while attempting to ford the river….
by aybars chew on Sep 30, 2011 4:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hahahaha
All you have to do is rest Weaver for four days, and Mathis is cured of everything!
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oregon Trail references
This day is FULL of surprises!
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Btw, I hope Tony didn't get that Dysentery from
Del Taco
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I did have the new carnitas nachos today from del taco…Im actually posting this while sitting on the toilet.
by aybars chew on Sep 30, 2011 4:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
TMI
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 30, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm angry at Del Taco right now.
They dropped the Shredded Beef burrito.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
couldnt get myself to try it ... and i'm there weekly
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It was great. Verde sauce, the shredded beef was much better than the ground beef....
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Hopefully Sciossia
Won’t have another puppet like stoneman or reagins!!!!
by CaptainCarlos on Sep 30, 2011 4:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly
Stoneman hired Scioscia. Stoneman set the organizational philosophy and hired accordingly. Not everything worked out perfectly, but to me, there was no doubt who was in charge of the organization.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Any chance we could bring in Buck from Baltimore?
I like the guy. Solid baseball mind, and I think Sosh and Arte would have to listen to him (at least a little).
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 4:52 PM PDT reply actions
Buck Showalter?
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Yep
rumored to be up for the O’s GM position.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not Terry Collins?
He’d make a great GM
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you think he'd be a great GM?
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
He has the same qualifications as Buck Showalter
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not true.
Buck was brought on in Arizona two years before the expansion draft to help build the minor league system and prep for the draft. He was on their payroll EARLY in a player development/GM capacity. He has ALWAYS had great power in his positions.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Sep 30, 2011 8:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and he was also an egomaniacal control freak that forced out of the organization
Their success did not commence until post buck. This is true about everywhere he goes
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, then.
Sounds like a perfect guy to wrest control of player decisions from Mike!
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
On the Angels facebook page
There are people saying they hope Arte Moreno is the next person to get fired….. Um really?
by aybars chew on Sep 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yep - the man will fire himself.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
That takes talent and endless resources to be able to do that.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 30, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love to see the new GM be Bill Geivett
He is a former Angel minor league player from years ago with strong ties to the Southern California area having played at UCSB years ago.
Bill is a solid evaluator of talent having been an area scout for many years as well as a pro scout. He has also ran minor league operations while being an assistant GM. I say make Bill Geivett the new GM.
Thumbs up on Geivett being a talent evaluator
Something Reagins, unfortunately, never had on his resume.
Did you ever work with Geivett? Would he have a strong enough personality to, say, release Mathis against Scioscia’s wishes? How would he work with the tough agents such as Boras? Does he fit Stoneman’s high risk, high reward drafting philosophy?
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of the Best GMs are talented Evaluators
Those that arent make sure they surround themselves with good ones. It wasn’t until the Yankees but business people in business positions and baseball people in baseball positions did they get there act together (Geivett/Yankee scout/x-checker)
Yes I am fortunate to have worked with Bill and to call him a friend. He has also been a coach at the College level having spent time with Dave Snow way back when Snow was at Loyola Marymount. He has been at all levels of the game and done an excellent job!
Bill is a guy looking to draft high ceiling guys that are athletic. He is a strong minded man with the ability to listen. He is a team guy that surrounds himself with good people.
by Angel Aviator on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the response
A lot of the GM search is still going to come down to who knows who, but after checking out Bill, he appears to be as solid a candidate as any. Being a Dave Snow guy indicates a strong pedigree. Being an old football coach myself, we do (properly or not) judge guys by what coaching tree they come from.
It doesn’t hurt the Geivett worked with Stoneman in Montreal, either.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 4, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's hope Bowden doesn't slip his resume under Arte's door....
Bowden: Recipe for the next Angels’ GM
September, 30, 2011
SEP 30
4:50 PM PTBy Jim Bowden
In light of today’s news that Tony Reagins is stepping down as Angels general manager, here are some ideas for the new GM of the Angels (whoever that ends up being) for this off-season:
1. Try to trade for Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals or David Wright of the Mets. If that doesn’t work sign Aramis Ramirez.
The Angels have not gotten enough run production from the third base position and Alberto Callaspo and they need a long term solution. After Evan Longoria of the Rays, two of the best third baseman in baseball reside in the National League East, in Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals and David Wright of the Mets. The Nationals have been trying to acquire a long term solution in center field and the Angels could afford to offer a package starting with CF Peter Bourjos and starting pitcher Tyler Chatwood for Zimmerman. The Nationals would then put their 2011 first round choice Anthony Rendon at third base and use the money saved on Zimmerman to sign free agent starting pitcher C.J. Wilson.
If that doesn’t work the Angels could offer a similar package to the Mets for David Wright, although that would be less likely since New York already might lose Jose Reyes to free agency. If the Angels are unable to trade for Zimmerman or Wright, then the third alternative would be to sign free agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez.
Either way, the Angels need more power and run production from the hot corner. If they need to trade Bourjos to get an impact player like Zimmerman or Wright, then obviously Mike Trout would take over in center field.
2. Try to sign Jose Reyes. Reyes is the best free agent fit for the Angels. He’s one of the best lead-off hitters and defensive shortstops in baseball. He has better range than Aybar to both sides and a very strong arm. He plays with energy and enthusiasm and he would completely change the Angels’ lineup, creating more fastballs for the middle of the lineup. With Reyes and Trout at the top, this offense would be much improved in 2011.
3. Sign one of the best free agent closers that will be available, whether that is Jonathan Papelbon, Heath Bell or Ryan Madson, or trade for Joakim Soria of the Royals and move Jordan Walden back to the 8th inning and let him continue and develop in that role.
This year’s playoff teams are using a closer for the 8th inning and another for the 9th inning. The Yankees have Soriano, Robertson and Rivera. The Tigers have Benoit and Valverde and the Rangers have Adams and Feliz. The Angels need to follow that formula and reduce their blown saves in 2012.
4. Sign Hiroki Kuroda to be their 4th starter. Kuroda loves Los Angeles and only wants to pitch here or in Japan. The Angels should steal him from the Dodgers and let him be their fourth starter behind Weaver, Haren and Santana. He provides solid innings and is one of the more underrated middle-of-the-rotation starters in baseball.
The Angels next GM will have the opportunity to make a few bold moves that could certainly put the team back into the post-season next year.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
The Angels got some of their
best production from 3B and SS this year and one of their only remaining offensive prospects plays SS in Jean Segura. The Angels need to go after Fielder or Pujols or another starter, and a few relievers.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
i commented on that
im sure you’d like what i said.
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuroda & Reyes
The Angels could do a lot worse than to add those two guys, IMHO. Kuroda in particular would be a good 4th starter, and it wouldn’t take a 6 or 7-year deal to get him.
I’ve commented elsewhere about Reyes and the Angels SS position. Aybar and Izturis are free agents after 2012. We should all know by now that it would be foolish to put all of their eggs in the basket of a prospect who had only an OK year at Single A (Segura).
I think he overlooks that Kuroda wants to go back to Japan.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
We'll See
He obviously likes the west coast. He’s still an effective pitcher. Offer him 2/$23 million. The worst that can happen is he says no, thanks.
Hey Bowden
1990 called – they want their bad ideas back.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Sep 30, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
More like, hey Bowden, Tony Reagins called, he wants his bad ideas back.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I mean, Zimmerman would be the only one of those 3 that would represent a major upgrade over Berto
but he is as injury-prone of Izturis.
I really don’t understand why people so widely believe that 3B is an issue.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
troy glaus
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 1, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, this is a solid plan.
GET GOOD PLAYERS. GET A PITCHER. GO TO THE POST SEASON!!!
I hope our new GM reads this! Shit’s golden!
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he just say
Sign Papelbon??? I don’t think I could ever watch the end of an Angels game again if that happened.
Bourjos is faster than...[insert person, item, object here]
by SD_AngelsFan#27 on Sep 30, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
you know what, the yankees have a pretty good third baseman too.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
As though anyone needed more proof Tony was a puppet.
“Hey Tony, we’d like you to resign”
“Sure thing boss!”
by lightupthehalo29 on Sep 30, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions
Here is MLBTR’s inaugural list of the top 20 GM candidates in MLB
Jerry DiPoto, Senior VP, Scouting & Player Development, Diamondbacks
Rick Hahn, VP, AGM, White Sox
Thad Levine, AGM, Rangers
Ben Cherington, Senior VP, AGM, Red Sox
David Forst, AGM, Athletics
Tony LaCava, VP Baseball Operations and AGM, Blue Jays
Mike Chernoff, AGM, Indians
Bryan Minniti, AGM, Nationals
A.J. Preller, Senior Director, Player Personnel, Rangers
Kim Ng, MLB
DeJon Watson, AGM, Player Development, Dodgers
Al Avila, VP, AGM, Tigers
Damon Oppenheimer, Scouting Director, Yankees
Mike Radcliff, Vice President of Player Personnel, Twins
Bill Geivett, Sr. VP Scouting & Player Development, AGM, Rockies
John Ricco, VP, AGM, Mets
Jeff Kingston, AGM, Mariners
Logan White, AGM, Amateur & International Scouting, Dodgers
Peter Woodfork, MLB
Matt Klentak, Director of Baseball Operations, Orioles
Honorable mentions in alphabetical order: Matt Arnold, Director, Pro Scouting (Rays), Jeff Bridich, Senior Director of Baseball Operations (Rockies), John Coppolella, Director of Baseball Administration (Braves), Dan Jennings, VP Player Personnel & AGM (Marlins), Jason McLeod, VP, AGM (Padres), J.J. Picollo, AGM, Scouting & Player Development (Royals), Shiraz Rehman, Director of Player Personnel (Diamondbacks) and Josh Stein, Director of Baseball Operations (Padres).
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Let's go with Peter Woodfork, MLB
Think of the memes we could make with him.
Your 2011 PreGame Picks Champion of the World!
Arte has ties to the Diamondbacks
I can see DiPoto getting a serious look; figure Levine from Texas and Cherington from Boston get looks as well.
Given the infatuation Carpino and Kuhl have with the Yankees, you know Cashman will be in play too.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
DiPoto was fleeced when he traded Dan Haren by none other than....Del Taco Tony!
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 30, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not too sure about that..
Hokie Joe has performed well; Tyler Skaggs looks like he’s going to be a very good MLB front-end of the rotation pitcher, and Corbin a good back-end of the rotation pitcher. That’s a pretty good haul……
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
by mustard_man on Oct 1, 2011 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Joe Saunders is a winner"
That was Jerry DiPoto’s reason for trading for him. At the time, he looked like a complete idiot. Even though the trade seems to have worked out really well for him, I think he got lucky on this one. No one expected Joe to have a sub-4 ERA in a extreme hitters park.
Mark Trumbo: 2011 Rookie of the Year
The trade worked not because of luck
But because of the work by Arizona’s advance scouts. Arizona scouted Skaggs and Corbin aggressively for the draft, and knew their potential. As for Saunders, he had a good – but not great track record of success with the Halos. He was a first round pick, so the talent was there. Haren was of course the big name in the trade, and the stars the Angels gave up were in the minors. The Angels got what they needed, a front-line starter. The Diamondbacks got back what they needed, salary relief, a serviceable LH starter, and 2 minor-league players with significant upside.
The failure in this trade for the Halos was that they did not add the other pieces around Haren to really compete for a championship. By the time the Halos recover from the damage done from Reagins tenure, Skaggs will likely be coming into his own on the Diamondbacks major league roster. I’m predicting some will be wailing and gnashing their teeth in Anahiem when that occurs…..
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
I agree with this
The Haren trade was a nice, bold move. But time is ticking…
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 1, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
kim ng is a genius, but the shit we'd get from around the league may not be worth it
then again if shes smart enough to allow us to wipe our ass with $$$ then who could hate?
Mike Trout- The Man, The NOW, The Legend
She's a broad
Who can walk and chew gum at the same time.
KIDDING LADIES. Get off my jock.
http://babiesboozeandboobs.wordpress.com/
that shit would totally not be worth it
to sign jackie robinson.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Sep 30, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Thad is an odd name.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What about ex angel Thad Bosley?
I saw his major league debut. His full name was Thaddis
by Bozo's1000son on Sep 30, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thad Bosley is even more odd.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Oct 1, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Great news!
Hopefully the Angels will hire a good GM now.
If they do IMO the Vernon Wells trade will be a blessing in disguise.
I want Keith Law to be GM
He would be a great person to tell Sosh to sit down and play the SABR guys Law loves.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Did it once before
In Toronto.
Also waiting for Kim Ng to get her shot.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
He was "Consultant to Baseball Operations"
His time there was tumultuous at best. Law didn’t necessarily do a bad job, there was just a lot of drama.
But yeah he was also "Special Assistant to the GM"
I think Law would be better as a background, consulting guy that’s pitching all the ideas. GM’s just face more public scrutiny.
Is that like "assistant to the regional manager"?
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Just got in
& saw this—YES!!!
Just wanted to ask him a question now he’s done his worst to the Angels, paraphrasing John Lennon:
HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?
I feel...unusual
The Soth to GM...
And eff it, bring in Francona as the skipper…lol jk
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Sep 30, 2011 5:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think decisions like this are based on
“Oh, you did this many good things but you also did THIS many bad things”. I think Arte, Tony and Mike just couldn’t get on the same page for whatever reason. I’m glad that it was a resignation rather than a firing. The only reason for that would be if he knowingly deliberately did something detrimental to the organization. Everybody was doing what they thought was best to compete which is awesome and by this I mean thank god we’re not the White Sox and by this I mean a team run by a bunch of douchebags.
Good luck Tony. Sosh, give up on Mathis. Arte, adopt me.
Go Angels!!!
Captain, there are doubt''s...
Here' the way these things play out
Arte made up his mind to make a change, and Reagins was given a choice: resign and get a paycheck as a special advisor or be removed and get severance.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Of course.
I know this wasn’t Tony stepping up and saying, “I’m not good enough, I quit” But resignation means that everyone was working for the same goal, they just had different ideas how to get there. Nothing wrong with that and I’m sure Tony knew the he was odd man out.
The point being, this isn’t a team that airs it’s dirty laundry out in public. Nobody is acting like an asshole. I like that.
Captain, there are doubt''s...
It's hard to get on the same page when you're constantly having to turn it.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
But that's the point
The manager page hasn’t turned in over 10 years. The owner page has turned 2wice in 50. I’d say that’s pretty stable.
All I’m saying is that Tony’s ideas of what was best for us were different from Arte’s and Mike’s. But he still wanted us to win. Bless him for that. I didn’t work and now we are moving on.
Captain, there are doubt''s...
Someone doesn't catch the Soth-cliche related humor.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Probably cause 12am EST in NY is actually real 12am
unlike in SoCal where it’s like, what, 2:15? 2:30? Or is it dinnertime? I’m confused…
Captain, there are doubt''s...
I'm totally wearing my Del Ninja shirt tonight, fellas.
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Sep 30, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
I liked shitty Del Taco way before shitty TR was making shitty deals in that shitty fast food place eating shitty food that makes your ass all shitty.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
If the Red Sox were to let go of Theo Epstein.
I wouldn’t mind him being our GM.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 5:42 PM PDT reply actions
You want to replace the guy who missed the playoffs with a $140+ mil payroll with a guy who missed the playoffs with a $160+ mil payroll?
Sounds like a recipe for more bad contracts to me.
Fuck Epstein
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ninja
I hated this nickname almost as much as I hated the fact he was our GM.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
First line of the MLB.com article on Reagins:
“With a taste for the big, splashy move, Tony Reagins made his share of headline-making announcements in his four years as Angels general manager”
Gotta love it.
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
by Nathan Aderhold on Sep 30, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions
Finally
Tony Reagins makes a move we can all agree with.
REPENT
ALL YOU WHO SAID TONY IS UNTOUCHABLE.
REPENT.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
You should get some of those signs and march around the stadium
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't the scammers have that all locked up?
I’m to GA to look for the fanpost right now.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I was at Irwindale/Toyota Raceway
got the email and started yelling YES with the fist pump. Got some strange looks……………
I'm an Angels fan
Best day of year for us...
Sad that it’s come to this, but every journey requires a first step. Now we can start the LONG process of getting back to being a real contender.
WOW 600 comments.......... anyhow, how's this--> Soth for GM and Salmon for Manager???
I'm an Angels fan
How's this --> sharp stick to your eye 47 consecutive times???
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
What's there not to like?
9 years in Houston- 5 1st place finishes, 4 2nd place finishes. Chief architect for the 2005 NL Champs. That’s a pretty damn good track record. He acquired Randy Johnson and Carlos Beltran in big in-season moves (although to be fair, he gave up a lot), signed Pettite and Clemens. Sporting News 1998 Executive of the Year.
Joined the Rays in 2006 and helped them develop into perennial winners.
I don’t know if he’s the right guy for the job, but you can’t argue with his achievements.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
At first I read "Roto Rooter"
And I was all, what the fuck?
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the name, and away goes trouble down the drain!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Torii Hunter for new GM and help ease the log jam in the outfield.
Your 2011 PreGame Picks Champion of the World!
If we're going that route, I nominate Mathis.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
So, we've learned recently that you don't impress easily...
and now you suggest Disar for GM.
I’m thinking you should probably consider yourself easier to impress.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
What are his qualifications?
Getting hurt in 95?
I'd like to DFA Reagins
by hauldog on Sep 30, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Current Asst GM
But no idea what he does. If he had ANY chance to tell Reagins that Vernon was a bad idea – and he didn’t – then he’s automatically eliminated from consideration.
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Cal Ripken would make an excellent GM
Because he had a great consecutive game streak.
Dennis Eckersly would make an excellent GM
He has great hair and could save a game.
Rob Neyer would make an excellent GM
He worked with the legendary Bill James and wrote more words for the ESPN website than practically anyone else. He gets it…
This was the big splash that we have been waiting for!
When do spring training tickets go on sale?
Shoot, when do regular season tickets go on sale?
Can’t wait for 2012!!
You ain't fresh!
Garret Anderson would make an excellent GM
Except….well, you know…
That makes me so f-ing happy.
Also I posted like a day or two ago it seems as if Chris Farley is running this team
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Theo Epstein would make an excellent GM
If he had a larger budget to work with and he had a halfway decent manager.
Uhhhhhhhhhh
160 million isn’t enough?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 30, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I GET IT NOW!!!!!!!!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 30, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Lyle Spencer....his experience exceeds 4000 games
I'm an Angels fan
by ladybug on Sep 30, 2011 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a new day
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
Scioscia to GM. Maddon to Manage Halos.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
SOSH AS GM
probably the worst idea ever.
We’re talking about a man who gives regular starts to jeff mathis, who would be in complete control of personnel.
Horrible.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
agree, but I could live w/Joe Maddon at the helm
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
by salmonforever on Sep 30, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It is the worst idea ever
Because his first order of business would be to give Mathis a 15-year, $100M extension.
Dear Arte,
You saved yourself our season tickets.
That is all.
Thank you,
- R.
Witty .sig goes here.
I dont think so, He was old 20 years ago and we need someone who is forward thinking, not old school
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
by salmonforever on Sep 30, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Go away if you are serious.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
by hauldog on Sep 30, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You Mean
the guy who traded rookie Paul Konerko and (young) Dennys Reyes to Cincinnati for Jeff Shaw? And without knowing that Shaw had the right to demand free agency because of the trade?
No.
This. I loved that day.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Oct 1, 2011 9:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So when did Arte decide he had enough of Tony?
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
probably the third of fourth time he had to write vernon wells a check.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 30, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol, good call
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
by salmonforever on Sep 30, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to post something to the effect of TR has ordered his last macho combo on the company tab,
until I found out that he will still be in the organization. Maybe he can job share with the Salty Nuts guy.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 30, 2011 9:38 PM PDT reply actions
I think the usher in section 513 is retiring. I betcha we see him there next April
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
by salmonforever on Sep 30, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Tweet from Jon Heyman
With tony reagins gone from la-anaheim, angels will need a new chief figurehead.
2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not
Real profound, Heyman.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Sep 30, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Your initial reaction is "Look who's popular!"???
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Angel Aviator mentioned Bill Geivett
I looked him up, and I like him. He’s a scout, but understands statistics. Former Angel farmhand, went to UCSB.
On stats and scouting:
If you talk to the scouts they’d probably say I’m too involved in statistics. Talk to some stat guys, they’d probably tell you I like scouting too much. I think there’s always times where you lean on one or the other. As you’re dealing with Major League players, it’s a lot more appropriate to lean on stats. I think statistics are a fabulous indication of what’s happened. I think the scout’s job is to try to tell you what will happen.
Jonah Keri interview with him from a few years ago.
But will he stand up to Scioscia?
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 30, 2011 11:36 PM PDT reply actions
Im gonna vote that premium be the new GM
Maybe his CERA will translate?
Don't Blame ME! Tony Reagins Did it!
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Sep 30, 2011 11:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I want to see Cashman come in.
Man, he knows how to do business. Him or Billy Beane—although I know Beane won’t happen.
GORGEOUS BOURJOS! *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
by Of Maicer and Men on Sep 30, 2011 11:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Imagine what Bean could do with a big payroll.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
*Beane
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 30, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else feel bittersweet?
Sort of a devil you know is better then the devil you don’t? I feel it’s for the best, but always a little afraid of the unknown.
Why do you come to my park in a Dodger, Yankee, or Sox hat when they aren't even playing? No ,I seriously want to know.
I missed the fucking party
out all day, no decent internet.
676 comments in a thread… oh hell is this ever gonna be an offseason…
Idea
Can we get an official “New General Manager Hunt” thread? I’m hoping for a one-stop shop for all rumors/news for the GM search on the site.
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Does this mean Napoli is coming back?
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We should get the Blue Jays GM he does real good trades
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
I'm not sold completely on Anthropoulos
Just as the Weaver extension fell into Tony’s lap, so did the Wells trade fall into AA’s lap.
Anthropoulos proved this when he,TOO, traded Napoli for nothing.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 1, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
This has been debated to death on some of the other threads, but there was no reason to believe napoli was going to do what he did this year
A career .250ish hitter whose strikeouts were getting worse each season and didnt take many walks, he looked like a guy with power but no discipline.
by Balls and Strikes on Oct 3, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't this a knock on how the team preaches hitting?
“A career .250ish hitter whose strikeouts were getting worse each season and didnt take many walks, he looked like a guy with power but no discipline.”
He actually did take walks when he was here. This year he took more because he was in an environment that doesn’t believe “walks are a fake stat.”
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I dont know. I havent followed Napoli close enough this year to see what he is doing differently than he did with us
But when a guy hits close to 80 points better than his career average, with almost double the walks and half the strikeouts, it is a surprise.
by Balls and Strikes on Oct 3, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you familiar with Mickey Hatcher's comment that "walks are a fake stat?"
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Yeah, I saw the quote. But I think he has been taken way out of context...
From March 2008
The Angels have four potential batting champions in their lineup, less of a curiosity than a necessity for an offense dependent on batting average. Although fans and analysts sometimes bemoan how few walks the Angels draw, batting coach Mickey Hatcher said the club does not evaluate its hitters on walks.
“That’s a false stat,” Hatcher said.
In the context of their high-contact, low-power offense, Hatcher explained, the relative lack of walks indicates less that the Angels are free swingers and more that opposing pitchers challenge them more often, because a fat pitch is not as likely to end up as a home run.
“If they’re throwing strikes, we’ll hit them. If they’re not, we’ll walk,” Hatcher said. "But we don’t have a lot of home-run threats.
“When you look at Detroit’s lineup, they’ll have a lot more walks, because they’re a lot more dangerous.”
Hatcher wasnt saying that walks dont count, He was saying that the number of walks a hitter draws is something that depends on a number of factors that a hitter cannot control- so the angels dont evaluate a hitter based on season walk totals.
by Balls and Strikes on Oct 4, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that worse?
They knowingly built an offense so pathetic that even opposing pitchers know throwing meatballs won’t cause any damage.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Can we make a brother or sister of Boras our next G.M.
ohh, never mind, Boras would get even more joy out of screwing over a sibling.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
you got a good idea there
BORAS for next GM
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
He'll never do it - it's a demotion from being Satan.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Time will tell...
Was TR ever given the power to make the changes he saw fit to or was he a pawn of Sosh’s undue sway in the FO?
While I’m not TR fan, I really hope the Angel’s next GM is going to have the stones and organizational power to make the tough calls that this roster demands.
He was the GM, he had the power to tell scioscia to shut up and get back to the clubhouse
if he chose to let scioscia walk all over him, thats on him.
by Balls and Strikes on Oct 1, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Is grichfan tony reagins illegitimate child?
holy shit, give it up brosef. This team just shit-canned the GM responsible for the worst trade in MLB history. Anything else is speculation.
Be happy your dad got fired, he’s a dumbass and a failure and I pray to baby jesus he’s saved enough to comp your education at the College of the Desert.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Tony is gone - Check 1
Now get rid of Mathis and I will start spending money on this team again.
But I still wont be a fan of Artie.
Not a fan of Arte? OK, the McCourts are just up the road.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I'm just yanking your chain, Funke5ive!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Arte canning TR is just acknowledging that some shit around his house is broken...
It’s a start, and I am very happy he did it.
Now he’s got to it find a way to go out and fix the shit that is broken. More specifically he’s got the task of making a good decision this time when he hires his GM.
I thought it was silly when Randy Youngman mentioned....
“Is Peter Brand available?” Peter Brand is, of course, Paul Depodesta.
Like apprehending the ax murderer
after he’s already murdered your family.
Reagins needed to go. First step to getting better. But we still have to live with the lethal reality of his hideous Wells trade.
holy shit!
just got back from a 3 day bachelor party in Mexico and I can barely think right now. All I know is this is very good news.
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it didn't happen
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by 2pintsofbooze on Oct 3, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This is amazing news!!!
Can’t wait to find out who replaces him. Anyone would be an improvement.
I want us to have an era even more golden than the last one.
Back to being skeptically optimistic.
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