Aybar signed to 1 year deal to avoid arbitration
Angels have officially finished signing all their arbitration eligible players. Next think up is spring training.
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It had to be said
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Fine by me
One year is fine for now. Then we can see how Segura does over this season in comparison. If he seems unstoppable, maybe we can let Aybar walk if he’s being unreasonable in the long term deal negotiations.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
I'm glad it's only one year
I think he is sub-standard for a team with World Series aspirations. I’m hoping Segura can step up soon, or we can pursue another FA next off-season.
Who that is available would you prefer?
Who is better than aybar? You keep complaining about him, so who do you propose?
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Its scary how much peeps don't realize that solid SS don't 'grow on trees'
Aybar (if he tests free agency) will be the cream of the 2013 FA crop. Closely followed by Stephen Drew if the mutual option the D’Backs have is declined. Then followed by a 37 year old Marco Scutaro, 35 year old Alex Gonzalez and Yuniesky Betancourt. Oh dear.
Aybar is definitely not ‘sub-standard’ at one of the most difficult positions on the baseball diamond to fill with quality.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
yea I think people say he has no offense he must not be a good SS. But people on average don’t notice that their are very few SS that are “good” offensively and that the greatest asset of a SS like a 2nd baseman for years and to a extent still is defense. Unless im off base it has always been the 1st and 3rd baseman that historically are the majority of your infield offense on the average team.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Aybar’s a funny one. He was slightly above average on offense and defense for a SS (going by fWAR) which is consistent with his overall profile. This was his fourth full season as a ML starter and projects as a 3.5 – 4.5 fWAR SS over a full season, barring injuries.
He doesn’t rely solely on defense or offense to be valuable, rather sprinkles in a bit of both to be as valuable as he is. Which is good in a way, as we don’t have to make up for crappy offense somewhere else as if he was Jack Wilson or Alex Gonzalez etc.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I love Aybar
He absolutely killed the Red Sox the one time we actually beat them in the playoffs. (some joke some truth about the Red Sox)
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
We don't know just how good Segura is going to be.
Aybar can bat left-handed. Jean Segura bats right-handed only.
Seems to me, we need all the left-handed bats we can get right now.
I was negative 2 - negative 1
what happened then? Reggie?
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
really? Judging by B-Ref...
Reggie wasn’t exactly a slacker with his 39 bombs and a 907 OPS….though interesting, it was his last year with a positive WAR until ’85…
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Bostock was a 77-78 offseason acquisition, though.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Pre-77: Grich, Baylor, Rudi (while trading 26-year-old Mike Easler to the Pirates!).
Pre-78: Bostock, the huge Bonds/Bosley/Dotson for Downing/Knapp/Frost trade, Remy-for-Aase (which freed up Grich to play 2B), and Rick Miller.
03-04?
Vlad, Colon, MySpace, Guillen
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
^ this is the closest competitor to 11/12 ^
As far as results based:
one MVP
one Cy Young
all core contributors to parts of 5 division titles
When a player is avoid arbitration, it that the same as a one-year extention?
I can’t really figure out exactly what it means. according to google translate “arbitration” has something to do with violence which i doubt is the case.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
It means
they signed to whatever length and dollars the player signed for.
If it did continue to arbitration, then the deal would be a 1 year deal for whatever amount the panel sided with (player or team figure).
"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca
well, in a nutshell,
when a player reaches three years of service time, he is eligible for salary arbitration. In effect, he is scheduled to get a raise, but isn’t obligated to accept a team’s offer. If they enter the arbitration process, then a judge (or arbitrator) decides what the player deserves. So, let’s say, Aybar submitted a proposed salary of 5 mil, and the Angels proposed 4.2 mil for next season. If Aybar doesn’t agree to a deal before the hearing, then the judge can decide whether he deserves the 4.2 mil or the 5 mil.
In this case, the two sides settled on a deal before reaching arbitration.
^^ This also (though ill add the number can be anywhere from 4.2 to 5 I believe)
by MoralesHomers on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
I believe joberooni was correct. The arbitrator has to pick between the team’s number and the player’s number. The system is high-stakes in that sense and is designed to encourage the team and the players to reach agreement.
I believe this is possible in other sports (NHL?)
But the MLB is different. The arbitrator must pick one number or the other. There is no in-between.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
oh ok I though there had been in other cases.
But yea your right. For anyone curious about how arbitration works here is a good site to check out explains eligibility and how the process works. Also what can be considered during the process by the panal of 3.
http://jameslincolnray.suite101.com/how-baseball-arbitration-works-a45599
by MoralesHomers on Jan 17, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
That's also my understanding....One or The Other.
Also, in the process, either agents or attorneys for each side have to present their cases outlining WHY their number is the correct one. In other words, each side DESTROYS the other’s position. From what I’ve read, they can get NASTY.
My memory of players who DEFEATED the Angels in arbitration hearings include David Eckstein and Jeff Mathis. Eckstein was gone the next season; Mathis is gone two years later.
Right now, I recall only one player who LOST to the Angels in arbitration: Jered Weaver, last season.
When a player avoids arbitration it means instead of going though the process of a binding out side of court preceding where both sides will come together with dollars they are looking for and it is (in the case of sports) then decided by a third party (arbiter) what will be payed by the team to the player.
Arbitration by definition though is a binding or non-binding alternative dispute resolution technique (legal method) to resolve issues outside of court.
In this case if a player goes to arbitration as those below have said the result will be a 1 year deal (or extention if you so choose) at the price that is decided by the arbiter. But if they are avoiding arbitration then it means they have not reached the arbitration process and instead have agreed between agent, player and team (though free agency process basically) upon a deal and can like in FA be of any length and price they so choose.
Hope this helps.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks a bunch of all you!
It definitely makes a lot sense hearing it from you guys than other places where i’ve tried to understand it. sometimes english can be a pain in the arse.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
no problemo
glad it was of some help.
The Angels have done a fairly good job over the years since Moreno took over in avoiding the arbitration process. It can cause a lot of harsh feelings between the player and the club (weaver’s case after the 2010 season being an anomaly).
here is a site with a good explanation of the process specifically for baseball in more detail dealing with all the aspects we spoke of: http://jameslincolnray.suite101.com/how-baseball-arbitration-works-a45599
by MoralesHomers on Jan 17, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
$5 million and change is high
He was projected to receive $4.5 million. But, overall, job very well done.
My initial reaction is that $5MM+ is close to the high end of arbitration predictions, also.
About half an hour ago, I finished reading my morning newspaper rendition of this same news story which I got yesterday morning via the internet. Now, having time to think about it a while, I’m speculating that DiPoto may have been offering a three-year contract offer, not four, to Aybar.
A four-year contract would have done two things which caused a bit of discomfort: Block a possibly elite player Segura, plus inviting exactly the same dilemma, in four years, of facing contract decisions with both Aybar and Kendrick. A one-year deal with Aybar now gives the Angels a better handle on knowing exactly what they have with Segura, (Romine, and Amarista), without tying their hands in case they find that they may have a better option.
I’m reminded of an article I read several years ago when the Angels signed Orlando Cabrera, allowing David Eckstein to leave via Free Agency. That year, Dallas MacPherson was originally scheduled to play 3B. The writer said that there was “no way the Angels were going to go into the season with both MacPherson (a weak 3B defender) and Eckstein (weak range) on the left side of the infield”……We’re looking at possibly playing Trumbo at 3B part of this coming year.
I'm thinking Aybar might put up his finest season yet..
in order to get that fat paycheck been longing for . Thats not a bad thing for the Halos :))
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