Great News! Rangers to sign Yu Darvish (Update: Contract is 6/60)
I'd much rather see them invest ~120M in Darvish than Fielder. Whatever the number ends up being, they're probably going to be investing over 100M in a PITCHER who's never pitched in the MLB.
Update: Total invested money in Darvish= $111,000,000.00
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Shit.
now we have to hear a ridiculous number of dumb ass “Yu” puns
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions
OHHHH BABY YU!
Yu got what I NEEEEEEEEEEED.
by lightupthehalo29 on Jan 18, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yu's on first.
Abbott: Well, let’s see, we have on the bags, Yu’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third…
Costello: That’s what I want to find out.
Abbott: I say Yu’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know’s on third.
Costello: Are you the manager?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: You gonna be the coach too?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: And you don’t know the fellows’ names?
Abbott: Well I should.
Costello: Well then who’s on first?
Abbott: Yu.
Costello: No, I’m not on first. What’s the fellows name?
Abbott: Yu.
Costello: F*** Yu.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Surely Yu can't be serious!
I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley. Now that Yu’ve expressed Yur fear of puns, and the Abbott and Costello brilliance above mine has been said, I just want to point out, he’ll still be pitching in a bandbox in sweltering heat, and that relatively unknown first baseman of ours will be in our lineup a darn sight more than the 30 odd starts Yu’ll see out of Yu.
I say let’s get to the season and watch our Angels plaster that look all over Nolan and Dubya’s faces again so we can ask….. “Yu Mad??”
Price or Prince?
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" ~Groucho Marx
by George Kaplan on Jan 18, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
If they somehow get David Price too.... Yeah that's bad. HAHA!
Hopefully Prince will be a National.
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Jan 18, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Look at it like this
Remember when we got CJ Wilson to sign for less because he knew we were working on Pujols. Well let’s hope Prince Fielder is not in this equation.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
They now have this guy on their team.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 2:09 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
it texas she looks good
they have lots of goats and horses over there
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
dude looks like a monkey!
Ahahaha
Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.
by Alavel on Jan 18, 2012 4:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
♫ ♫ She got a dark skinned friend look like Michael Jackson ♫ ♫
♫ ♫ Got a light skinned friend look like Michael Jackson ♫ ♫
Looks like Barbara Boxer...
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
by Monkeyspanked on Jan 18, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
r.i.p. rell sunn
Formerly known as AlohaHalofan
by Erick Danielsen on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thats Rell Sun
Don’t be dissin’ her like that. I have met her a couple of times before her passing in 1998. Beautiful and kind lady, The true spirit of Aloha.
I knew you'd know who she was, if anybody(also Mr. Danielson above).
Not dissin her. But I’ve never been able to look at Yu Darvish and not see Rell Sun, is all.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
+1 He does look, uhh... feminine.
-10 That’s RELL!
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
I don't make the doppelgangers, dude. God does.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
He and Rell Sunn are both beautiful females.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Thank God that the first lesbian pitcher in MLB
is playing in such a welcoming and tolerant environment.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I am surprised that he signed for 6/60
I thought he would take more per year. But if he pulls a Dice-K I’ll enjoy those last years
MLBTR comment:
Somewhere, in a dark land, at the top of a high evil looking building, sitting on a chair made of the skin of former GMs, Scott Boras is petting a cat saying “I’ll get you next time Jon Daniels!”
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
LSB is ecstatic about the contract.
I’ve gotta guess they’re just trying to find something to be happy about after their rival had the best offseason ever.
by lightupthehalo29 on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM PST reply actions
Same here
Fielder in Arlington is a scary thought. Probably even scarier for the guy who would have to wash his uniform.
except for the 5 months Hamilton and Cruz spend on the DL
12/8/11!!! What a day!
by stuck in Romania on Jan 19, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
i think they are a shoo-in to get Fielder
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jan 18, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Can't wait til the Angels light him up in Texas
and LSB cries in armadillo soup.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
This contract seems pretty small
Considering he had gone in with the hard ball over of 5 years/100 mill…. However, I will take CJ Wilson as a proven starter over Yu Darvish….
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
Exactly. I'm not getting the excitement by some here at the contract
If it’s really 6/60, that’s only a $10 million average for a guy who has shown every indication of being a top-tier pitcher. The posting fee will be over and done with after this season. The Rangers also have a pretty big TV deal of their own going into effect over the near future and one of the better farm systems out there, so they should be able to mitigate their long-term risk both financially and in terms of production.
Scouts have placed this guy in the same category as Strasburg over the past few years. In terms of talent, acquiring him is a no-brainer. Financially, this is the type of move big clubs with a sense of purpose can and do make.
Darvish/Hamilton vs. Weaver/Pujols: Should be fun for the next 5-6 years.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Except for two problems:
Darvish may not ever be ace status in the big leagues. Fingers crossed.
Who knows how Hamilton will hold up after his drug history. He’s only played one full season in the bigs, and that was back in 2008. He’s a guy that is inevitably going to age poorly. I give him till 35 before he faces retirement. I fear (maybe hope) we’ve already seen the best days of Josh Hamilton.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
$20 MM per
I believe he is going to be good, but even Strasburg didn’t get paid like this. To get paid like a proven ace, but be a prospect never pitching a single MLB inning is ludicrous. He needs to perform like Weaver, Halladay, Lee, etc, etc, to earn that money.
I know the posting fee doesn’t count towards the per year salary, but it’s still being paid by the Rangers, so it has to be factored.
by stereoscopic on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Only for this year, though
After 2012, he’s only costing them whatever the annual value of his actual contract is. They got a signing bonus for their TV deal, plus two years of World Series revenue. I’m guessing a significant chunk of that is going toward the fee.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ok then its 64 million for this season and 10 after
Either way, that is superstar money for a what amounts to a top prospect
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And top prospects sometimes become superstars
Obviously the Rangers feel they can afford this, or they wouldn’t have made the deal. People are saying “HA, now they can’t sign Prince!!!” which may very well be true…but do they actually need Prince? The Rangers haven’t exactly struggled to score runs the past few seasons. Their only real weakness has been starting pitching.
The Rangers got what will probably be a good, young starting pitcher for money that they had available to spend. On top of that, they can still score runs. Not sure how this translates to “Party time in Anaheim.”
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Im not a party time in anaheim guy, but I see that logic and frankly, it makes more sense than saying this deal isnt going to hurt them
There is a chance that Darvish flames out, his stuff doesnt translate or in some other way, the dude fails to succeed (at least relative to the contract he is going to be paid) in the MLB. In fact, he basically has to live up to expectations for this contract not to be a huge burden on the team.
Texas operates like most mid market teams, they can afford a big contract or two, but a bad deal can seriously hurt them and keep them from being able to compete effectively. This is similar to the wells deal- they can say it doesnt impact their ability to sign other guys, but they still have 111 million less dollars to spend than they did before and they spent it essential on a market level payment assuming the guy will perform at the high end of projections.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sunk cost is sunk cost.
Whether the cost is frontloaded or backloaded really doesn’t matter. It’s still 18M+ annually, amortized over the length of the contract.
It’s more than Weaver. It’s more than Wilson. It’s a large investment with an uncertain payoff.
by Turks Teeth on Jan 18, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes. I don't understand this "forget the posting fee" thinking.
If I put a $20K down-payment on a new car, in the second year is the $20K no longer counted toward the cost of the car? Did spending the $20K not reduce the cash I have available for other things?
Sure my future out-of-pocket expenses are “only” the monthly/annual payments on the car, but the total cost of the car – to have and own – are in no way reduced by that fact.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Stinks of the same thinking that led to the justifications for
Napoli being a “throw-in” on the Wells deal.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Because you're not paying it every year
When you pay $50 or whatever to have your cable installed, do you continue to pay that fee with every monthly bill? No, you just pay whatever your regular bill is.
Yes, it counts toward overall cost, but it’s not hamstringing you long term.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
IT is just like a signing bonus
the bonus went to someone instead of the player – but in every player’s contract, the signing bonus is factored into Average Annual Value.
But I don't think about the total cost of cable when I'm weighing my choices?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Well nobody doubts they can afford it
But they’re talking about value.
Lots of teams could afford to pay Edwin Jackson $20 M a year if they wanted to. That doesn’t mean they’re getting the correct bang for their buck though.
At the end of the day, the question will be “did the Rangers get any return on their $111M investment in Yu Darvish or did they only really get the value of a $60M pitcher?”
I think odds are he is a good, above average pitcher who has little chance of living up to his total cost.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
About the posting fee
It is absolutely ludicrous to think that it’s not such a big deal because it’s not being paid on a year to year basis.
At the end of the contract, these 2012 dollars are going to be worth more than the dollars they would have spent had they “spread” the posting fee over the contract.
I don’t get why any team would go ahead with this ridiculous bidding process, it’s a horrendous waste of resources for the team.
Not to mention the fact that they player loses out on the millions spent on the bid that could have been spent directly on him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 18, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody but the Japanese owners like the system, but it's all there is
I guess it boils down to what a given team thinks is going to help them win the most.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
good point
I hadn’t thought of the frontloaded dea (though not part of the actual contract)l costing more due to inflation than if the cost were deferred until later.
Also, I disagree with the notion that the posting fee is irrelevent because it is paid by the billionaire owners since such a large cost may make the ownership hesitant to cough up the extra dough to get a guy like fielder
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
They are wiring $51.7 Million to Japan as we speak
That might hurt cash flow, no?
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Hey assholes, remember me?"
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by Teixeira Who? on Jan 18, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm excited to see him pitch
He is a rock star in Japan and brings some more spice to what is turning into a pretty heated rivalry. I’ll consider heading out to a Rangers game when I’m out for Spring Training if he is pitching.
I know. I'm so excited for the Rangers' season to start. Go Rangers!!!!!! Yay! I'm a dumbass Ranger fan!! YAYYYYY!!!
We’re doing satire, right?
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Or I'm a baseball fan who wants to see what all the hype is about
I’m seriously interested in seeing what this guy brings and will be out in Phoenix for four days. If he is pitching on one of those days, I really might go watch him.
I agree.
I’ll be at the rangers game the 8th while they’re playing the sox and I’m really hoping to see some of his magic. other wise it’s a bust.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Jan 18, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I've heard the stadium is really nice
I wouldn’t head out there unless Darvish is pitching, though. It would be pretty cool to see him before his MLB debut.
WARNING: Major Speculation Below
There were some twitterings about Darvish’s camp being unhappy with the numbers earlier on. Either way, I think it’s safe to say that 6/60 is definitely not what he was looking for. He wanted more money and fewer years.
This could get interesting in terms of “pride”, “community”, and “chemistry” (you know, the intangiblez) in the years to come. The Rangers were negotiating with a guy who wanted to leave earlier than they wanted, and Darvish is dealing with a team who paid a ton of money just to talk to him (the part of the posting process that Yu most vocally protested) and then offered him WAY less than he expected.
But I’m sure he and Ratface will be best friends.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
the heart of the 2011 Rangers
Lesbian and ratface
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ratface? They got PED-Roid-a too?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
no the other ratface
he looks less rodent-like, but they have the same body type and ugly face
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Also
If I was a baseball player and I knew that over the next six years I will make 60 million while the club I played for will be making almost the same amount just for letting a team talk to me for 30 days? I would be pissed.
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 18, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Because when you can invest $110 million into a guy who hasn't used an MLB ball, you HAVE to do it!
Consider me freaking THRILLED they opted for Yu over Prince
Absolutely retarded move in my opinion. No doubt Darvish will probably be a decent MLB pitcher, but to invest Cy Young money into an unproven commodity? The odds of him living up to that kind of investment are next to 0 in my opinion
RIP Nick Adenhart
Assumption
Common sense would say they cant give huge money to Darvish and Fielder and then extend Kinsler, Napoli and Hamilton…after shelling out for Beltre last year.
Also, if they were confident they could sign both, why risk Fielder getting blown away by someone like Washington while they dealt with Darvish?
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I have heard speculation that Texas is hesitant to extend Hamilton
If they are I can see them going all in for Fielder. Although signing Fielder does make it almost impossible to extend Hamilton, Napoli and Kinsler without drastically raising payroll.
Aphorisms about chickens hatching come to mind
Think about this scenario: Prince takes the 1 year deal with Texas. Winter 2012, the Rangers front office decides between chasing long term deal with Hamilton or Fielder.
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by George Kaplan on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
If Fielder was open to signing for 1 year
the number of interested teams is no longer 3 or 4. It would be more like 7 or 8
I am pretty sure Texas’ TV contract hasn’t kicked in yet so it’s not like they’re swimming in money to this extent.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
3-4 teams?
I thought it was really only Washington betting against time and themselves. So far, they’ve played it really well, though.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore
and if it was for 1 year….Dodgers, Brewers, Yankees, Cardinals, Marlins
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Baltimore dosen't have the money
Seattle and Chicago both got young sluggers (though neither has specifically said they are out)
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hadn't thought of that but it makes sense
If Fielder decides to take a one year deal then the market changes. You have to think that part of the reason the market for Fielder is so small is because of the number of years he is asking for
yp^r
its the year pound ratio that is the factor here.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yu better watch out, Yu better not cry
Yu better not pout I’m telling you why…
Albert Pujols is coming to town…
by TheAntiSox on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You either spelled that wrong, or it's an inside joke I'm not aware of.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
i like this monkey. he's chill.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Jan 18, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
amazeballs.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 18, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I believe Texas got a potential ace pretty cheap
$10m AAV for a #1 or #2 SP is a bargain….
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
+ 51 million posting fee
Whether or not you believe the owners chipped in with money out of their own pockets is irrelevant. The owners pay the payroll so money out of their pockets is de facto money on the payroll whether it shows up there or not.
They are paying him ace money.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
True
Ammendment: The Rangers are spending ace money on Darvish.
Darvish himself is getting Edwin Jackson money
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am surprised he took 10 million for 6 years
You would think he would have gotten more with all the hype
Contract is backloaded over 10 years, and then some ala Bobby Bonilla.
So they can still get Fielder.
lololjk… that’d be something though, haha. I’m not worried about this signing at all though.
Nor should you be.
It’s a guy playing every fifth day, whom we’ll have to face maybe 4 times, going up against the best players in the world.
It’s a good deal for the Rangers, to be sure, but Yu’s still only a replacement for CJ. If the offseason were to end today (oh God, why can’t it?!) the Rangers would be the same as last year, potentially worse if Joe Nathan doesn’t pan out. We’re still winning the offseason, and I expect we’ll win plenty of games in the regular season, too.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Prediction
I’ll spell prediction correctly, and you’ll be able to understand a joke.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 18, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My God! I just checked.
And they are.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 18, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU
BONER JOKES REQUIRE CAPS LOCK!!
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
I believe he is partaking in some memery of the Buehrle sort.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
@TheKingFish: why does 6/60 put them out on Fielder?
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
6/111 sound a little more steep?
and then they still have arbitration hearings with Napoli, Cruz and Andrus that could represent as much as $20M more
Then they have to extend their core guys to long term deals. All of this would seem to make a long term commitment to a fat 1B a more risky financial situation for them
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
The posting fee is not payroll
The posting fee is paid upfront. Yes, it’s a business cost.
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Semantics
If a business owner invests heavily into a business cost, this is not suddenly unrelated to their willingness to spike payroll.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
right but at the same time that money is now paid they dont have to worry about it.
What happens if Fielder signs a backloaded contract a la pujols? to negate the huge posting fee?
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 18, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
They could do that, sure
But are the Rangers in a situation like the Angels with serious money coming OFF the books in the next 2 years? The added salaries of Pujols and Wilson is balanced out by the disappearing payrolls of Takahashi, Abreu, Hunter, and eventually, Wells.
In Texas…they have Napoli, Cruz, Kinsler and Hamilton all due for RAISES in the future
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Another good point
The Rangers won’t have any money coming off the books over the next few years. That is unless they let Hamilton, Kinsler or Napoli walk as a FA.
MY and his $16M salary says "hi"
and if they sign Prince, I think it’s a given that Hamilton is gone.
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Maybe
We had raises due to Howie and Erick, and we still will have some for Haren or Santana (we might let one of them walk). Like us Texas will have a new massive TV contract. They have talked of letting Hamilton walk. They could easily make a move at Fielder. I hope they don’t but they could
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh. How do you know which checkbook Ranger ownership used to pay the Ham Fighters?
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
So let me get this straight
If you are a business owner and you have to invest a huge amount of capital into something (new office, production, computers, whatever)…you think this has no impact on your willingness to shell out money for more employees?
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
If I believe the employee increases my ability to grow revenue and profit
You’re damn right I’m adding them to the payroll.
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Except where do the Rangers go from back to back World Series appearances?
They have almost maxed out playoff revenue.
Fielder may indeed represent an upgrade at 1B but from an economic standpoint he is absolutely not generating them more revenue. He will be sapping it for 5-7 years
The “international revenue” argument for Darvish is overblown. I just read somewhere either in the OCR or LAT last week that Matsui brought in about 3 million in added revenue for the Angels. Matsui, btw, is more of a marketing coup than Darvish is.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
So fans would rather buy "Moreland" shirts instead of "Fielder"?
My argument is only that signing Darvich does not necessarily mean that Texas can’t sign Fielder. I believe everyone has gone off the deep end assuming that Texas is cash poor.
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Never once stated they are cash poor
I am assuming that their very smart front office will remain very smart in managing their budget long term. Also, that assuming 51 million dollars spent on a player has no impact on their long term payroll is silly.
No amount of T-shirts sold in year 1 or 2 will ever balance out what Fielder would cost them in salary long term.
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by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think fans end up buying cowboys shirts instead of rangers ones.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think, as things play out....
…. irate StRangers fans don Chan Ho Park masks and blow up BP Arlington after 5 years of sub par pitching by damn foreigners and a guy (Holland) who looks like a Goon from Seahag’s Island.
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by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am with you on this one
Notice how often Dice-K’s posting fee is mentioned when people assess his performance and value. I think the Rangers were trying to mitigate this by saying that the posting money came out of their own pockets and not from payroll.
I'm not so excited
No, I’m not that impressed by Darvish. I would not have wanted the Angels to go after him. But Texas has the money after the last two seasons, both of which have netted them huge playoff bonuses. They can afford to pay upfront, and after that, the annual salaries are manageable, even if he’s a total bust.
It’s basically the opposite of the Angels’ current situation, where they “borrowed” heavily against their future TV revenues. So I doubt that this deal will ever really hurt the Rangers. It just might work though. Next year will be very interesting to watch, especially if the Rangers press hard on Fielder.
It's not so much excitement as it is relief
This is by no means a steal for the Rangers and I would argue that they will have money tied up in just two years when Beltre is older and they’ve had to extend Kinsler, Napoli, Cruz, Hamilton
I would argue that if they go for Fielder, they’ve greatly reduced the value of Napoli since he is basically a DH/1B/C for them who would suddenly lose 1B at bats to Fielder and DH at bats to Hamilton and Young
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
They would have to trade Moreland. But they would probably get a decent return for him.
Napoli would still get plenty of AB’s as the back up 1B, C and DH. Hamilton plays in the outfield more. Which means less AB’s for Murphy. But Geez Fielder, Hamilton, Cruz and Napoli is a lot of power
Agree it's possible
But Hamilton’s injury history, Napoli’s long term ability behind the plate and Fielder’s body all muddy that perfect scenario.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I can see a scenario where Fielder, Hamilton, Cruz and Napoli all have injury problems
but I mostly see a lot of Home Runs
Fielder is a DH who had to play the field
So I imagine Napoli would be more or less a full-time 1B, with Torrealba managing the plate. Like UCI said, they’d have to get rid of Moreland, but he would be more valuable than either Morales or Trumbo are in the same situation. Both their offense and their defense would be fine next year, which leaves only the pitching, and Darvish might have a say in that.
In the perfect world this would work
Fielder may also insist on signing as a 1st baseman & not wanting to DH full-time, part-time, anytime for that matter.
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-- No Bologna Polonia
If teams saw him as a real 1B, he probably would have signed by now
His batting numbers are about the same as Mark Teixeira’s as a free agent, plus he’s a year younger. I doubt he’ll touch Teixeira’s contract, though, because he’s a fat dude with a marginal glove.
Agree with this
Just for the reasons above though (in a perfect world scenarios) I can’t see the Rangers sharp front office committing the money necessary to squeeze him in. It would definitely feel like an all-in for 2012 type of move
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he'll get the money
All I’m saying is that its not a given that he’ll want to sign to be a DH. Adam Dunn was available till February 2009, the story was he didn’t want to play outfield or DH, so his options were limited & he ended up signing with the Nationals for 2/20 million to play 1st.
"I was at a Del Taco, on the phone with Alex Anthopoulos, When the Drugs began to take hold…"
-- No Bologna Polonia
I listened to Angels Talk a few days ago
when the Rangers radio guy was on and he mentioned possibly trading Moreland and getting something good for him….. Am I the only one that doesn’t see it. The guy can’t hit lefties which means you have to platoon him, and he doesn’t even hit all that well for a 1B against righties with a sub 800 OPS against them last year even playing half his games in a great homerun park for lefties.
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word is that he had a bum wrist most of last year
he’ll never be an All-Star, but he could be a serviceable starter on some teams.
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I am slightly confused as to why anyone thinks a whopping 10 million dollar a year commitment is going to preclude the Rangers from signing Fluffmaster Bash
"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "
yeah..... I am reserving any excitement until Fielder signs with the nats
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Rangers got an Ace
Not sure why they didn’t just re-sign Wilson, it would have been cheaper. Yu will be good. I’m sure if the Angels signed him, everyone would be excited.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
It's not about whether or not he will be good. He most likely will be good
I think most people are talking about value.
There is a much higher chunk of risk involved in this deal for them than value.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Slightly more expensive in terms of total money
However Yu has a higher ceiling, will bring in international revenue, and only affects the salary cap 10/yr (on average). Lots of win here for the Rangers.
"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "
rangers have never and will never be close to the luxury tax threshold
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
would have been if the posting fee had counted towards the cap
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DING DING DING
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by clover_black on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Only 40 or so comments to get there...
What’s the resale value on this prize?
by BrentSchmidt on Jan 18, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I need to know the pre- and post-SOPA/PIPA value of a Cruz before I get all stoked
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Love that picture. Makes me happy inside.
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by johnnyangel101 on Jan 18, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
There was a pretty big gulf between Cruz and that ball...
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by stuck in Romania on Jan 19, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ive been saving for this, time to go get banned on LSB
give me some ideas
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 3:20 PM PST reply actions
How about this?
“Yu still suck.”
Nah, that’s lame.
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by 5thStarter on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
differenece between Yu and a Japanese school
Yu cost 110 million and your still stuck in texas
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But somehow, instead, P.T. Barnum keeps coming to mind…
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by Stirrups on Jan 18, 2012 3:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nailed it
Dice-K was “it,” and we’ve come to find out that when he actually threw the ball over the plate, major league hitters hit the ball hard.
I know Darvish is supposed to be good, but I’ll reserve judgment. So far, only Hideo Nomo has come over here and actually pitched at a high level. I’ve seen Ishii, Irabu, Takahashi, and even our very own Hasegawa. Each had their moments, but none ever dominated. Maybe Darvish is different.
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by johnnyangel101 on Jan 18, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
what about kuroda?
I never hear about him in the Japanese picher discussions
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-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, you're right
I should have added Kuroda. The only difference being, if any, is that Kuroda came over here without all the hoopla, isn’t dominating, but has been quietly solid and effective.
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by johnnyangel101 on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone other than Mariners fans
think that Fielder will sign with the M’s? I personally don’t see it.
Right now, I'm thinking Nationals/Rangers/Marlins/Mariners, in that order
Really don’t see them getting Prince.
Maybe the Mariners management is looking for a way to revitalize Ichiro Suzuki.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Mariners fans?
what is that?
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 18, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
those souls
go into steinbrenner’s coffee everymorning
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
The Rangers are lame for not signing Darvish and Fielder on the same day
But who signs the best FA hitter and pitcher on the same day?
As the great Flava Flav stated, "Don't Belee the Hype."
Another sucker for the myth of the invincible Japanese pitcher. Darvish, thy bandbox awaiteth.
I pretty much live my life by that motto.
It always serves well.
by Halowitz on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think he will at least hold his own
ZiPS’ 3.62 ERA sounds reasonable or maybe a wee bit high.
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps in pitchers parks yeah
I can’t picture him playing that well in Texas though
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by Halo15 on Jan 18, 2012 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There are another 10 million in incentives on the deal
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM PST reply actions
Yes, but if they pay them, its because he pitched like they expected and I dont think they will mind $10M if thats the case.
by Halowitz on Jan 18, 2012 5:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He also has to reach certain performance levels to be able to opt out after the 5th year.
Sounds like Yu really wanted to be in Texas for a long time.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Next year with Cain and Lincecum and Hamels going on FA, do you think the Angels would make a run for one of them?
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no not with the Yankees and Red Sox needing some pitching next year
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Maybe they would want to play in Cali?
Be a Angel Fan till I die... The only good team to come out of Texas is my Dallas Cowboys Baby
That would be a soggy dream come true
But the Angels can only give out some many 20 mil per year contracts
we can all dream can we.... Weaver, Lincecum, Haren, Wilson
I think we would be division champs for half a decade
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Darvish just signed with the Rangers to escape the nuclear contamination from Fukashima.
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
by 44FAN on Jan 18, 2012 5:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's weird, ya know?
The newspaper over there has a “radiation index” graph on the front page every day. It’s essentially a target shape overlaying a map of Japan – with the “bullseye” set at Fukashima and concentric circles outward from there at, like, 25 kilometer intervals.
Every morning I saw that while eating breakfast,thinking “I’ve gotta get the fuck out of here!”
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111 Million represents the most significant investment in a right handed pitcher in major league baseball history
and the bro has not even thrown a pitch in the MLB.
"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "
That's what Rev Halofan would call, throwing the dice.
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
They just showed the Yu graphic with a Rangers hat on MLB Network. It looks funny.
Pujols in Angels red, though? Breathtaking.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Soon the Rangers will find thousands of Asian baseball fans they never knew they had attending
the games only on Yu’s day to pitch.
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
how many japanese are in texas? Its hard to imagine its a high percentage of the population down there
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
well one of my asian buddy's cousins lives in texas
so at least one
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Then there's comic Henry Cho.
Korean dude, talks as Tennessee as they get.
He used to start out his routine by saying, in his thickest drawl, “What is wrong with this picture?”
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
asian =/= japanese
While there may be some pulling for a guy who “looks” like them, Darvish doesnt really look japanese since he is part iranian.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I spent a couple of years living in Oklahoma.
I think I saw a total of 5-10 Asians. I would get really excited because it made me think of home.
In Texas...
…he/she goes by Y’all Darvish.
by FearTheMonkey on Jan 18, 2012 6:22 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
FTW
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Averages out to 18.5 million a year
The following pitchers will make less than that in 2012:
Jered Weaver
C.J. Wilson
Dan Haren
Ervin Santana
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, it is odd
since they’ve all thrown major league pitches.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i was thinking the numbers were odd
since you’re using AAV for one player (rather than cash outlay) and you’re using 2012 cash outlay for the others.
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Okay dumbass, clearly you are a rangers fan so I will make this simple for you
None of our pitchers cost us close to what you will be paying for Darvish. If moreno decided to pay all of pujols’ 250 million dollar deal tomorrow, you dont think that would have an effect his ability to paya for other things?
You can play with numbers all you want, but darvish costs the rangers more than the angels pay any of their pitchers and he has never faced a major league batter. There is zero reason to believe he will be as good as haren, weaver or wilson. It was an incredibly risky move and chances are its going to hurt the rangers in the end.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
that's all fine and well
it still seems odd to compare AAV of one pitcher to cash being paid in one year to other pitchers. Seems misleading.
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None of those pitchers required a $51 million bid to secure, now did they?
and the AAV on all of them is less, too.
So uh…what’s yout point?
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 19, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Heres a new way to think about it
Yu Darvish gets paid more per X chromosome than any of the 4 angels
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
just thought it was odd
and it would have been equally as odd if I would say (say, in 2016) that CJ’s AAV is $15.5M, and Yu is only getting paid $10M that year.
It’s just not apples to apples.
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77.5/5 & 111/6 are most certainly apples to apples.
On the financial statements the expenditure will be amortized over the life of the contract.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
agreed
but that’s not what his original statement was saying.
Averages out to 18.5 million a year
The following pitchers will make less than that in 2012:
Jered Weaver
C.J. Wilson
Dan Haren
Ervin Santana
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
if I make (over the next 3 years) $30, $20, and $10 - the AAV is $20
if I try to then compare that $20 AAV to another player’s 2012 salary (not AAV), that is not apples to apples.
It was an innocuous comment I made, and I even acknowledged that Yu’s AAV is still higher than the other guy’s AAVs so it wasn’t taking anything away from what Casey was really trying to say – that Yu is getting paid more than all of the Angels’ starters.
You guys seem to be the ones getting bent out of shape, resorting to name-calling (not you directly, 5thStarter).
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None of the Angels pitchers salaries are structured like that
What is your point?
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
You are an idiot, but I guess thats normal for texas
Listen dipshit, we arent acting like pujols is making 10 million this year because the AVERAGE annual value of his contract is 25 million. We could argue that the average annual value of his deal is 12 million since he will be with us in some capacity for 20 years, but that is disingenuous.
I really dont get what you are trying to argue here though. There are like 2 pitchers in baseball getting paid more than darvish is going to cost the rangers during his contract; or if you want to really be a douche and keep with your stupid argument, darvish costs 60 million this year and 10 more the next six. So darvish will cost the average annual payroll for about half of the MLB teams this year, push the rangers from a 70 million payroll to a 160 million one and still suck.
In any case, that is WAYYYYY too much money to pay for a guy who is the equivalent of a highly rated prospect.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
You're bad at getting things
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Darvish has never faced a player as good as.........
HOWIE KENDRICK. I think he’ll do well, but nothing is certain.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Pitchers in Japan used to shit their pants when Tuffy Rhodes strolled to the plate
now one of those pitchers gets to throw to Albert Pujols instead.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I watched a ton of video/ highlights of darvish pitching today to see what he's got and he didnt really impress me
A few thoughts….His breaking ball is good, but I dont think he can throw it for strikes. In that sense he reminded me a lot of chatwood. Chatwood has sick breaking stuff but cant get it over the plate since it moves so much.
His arm angle looks painful, it looks like a tommy john waiting to happen.
Like Every hitter in japan tries to do the ichiro slap and run technique. It seems to work against the big swooping offspeed stuff which is how darvish got them out- by going fastball; which has no movement. Throw a fastball like that to pujols on a 3-2 count and see what happens to it.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't need to see what happens
he can just ask Brad Lidge.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 18, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Albert Pujols would like to meet Yu Darvish.
Can’t freaking wait.
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by highlandhalo on Jan 18, 2012 7:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We still have more than them in the rotation.
I’m more worried about the eternal crap shoot known as the bullpen. Theirs looks better, but who knows? Maybe we’ll be nails and they’ll fall apart all over the field.
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by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 PM PST reply actions
if things don't shape up in the 'pen
we can always deal one of our fifty infielders for bullpen help at the deadline
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
still have kohn, jepsen, etc... in salt lake to compete
Walden, downs, taka, Hawkins, thompson and a couple more looks pretty good.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Colby lewis is going to be the opening day starter.
Lolzzzzzz.
We got this.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Why isn't CJ starting?
Oh, that’s right, he’s our number 3.
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by 5thStarter on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
People in Japan used to shit their pants when their pitchers had to face Tuffy Rhodes
one of those pitchers will now get to face Albert Pujols instead.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM PST reply actions
Deep in the Shart of Texas
Yushi for Pujols
"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength."
Can someone set up a poll?
I’m curious how many here really think Darvish will turn into an ‘ace’. Whatever the criteria, 16+wins (more with their offense), top 5 ERA, Ks, innings pitched, etc. And then how many think he’ll be a solid number 2 or 3 starter. People seem to be predicting anything from him crumbling under the pressure to him being the next Pedro.
OHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think the bottom line is...
Texas is always going to have to over pay for pitching. No decent pitcher wants to have their career numbers trashed in that park. At least in this case they knew they were the only ones allowed to bid and that Darvish could basically come pitch in Arlington or go back to the bush league.
here's how the money's spread out
$5.5MM in 2012, $9.5MM in 2013, $10MM annually from 2014-2016, and $11MM in 2017.
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
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