OC Weekly to Arte Moreno: "Stop being so pinche wary of the issue, cabrón"
OC Weekly editor Gustavo Arellano expands on ideas he recently presented in an ESPN article by Mark Saxon, in which the subject was Arte Moreno, his Mexican heritage and supposed reluctance to embrace the Angels' Latino fanbase.
While Saxon's article focused on the fact that the Latino fanbase HAS grown 25% under Moreno's ownership (mostly likely due to the team's success in that time...winning is the universal laguage, it turns out), Arellano's addendum on the OC Weekly website is tinged with The Mexican's standard, Chicano gadfly tone.
"You're committed to producing a winner, and that's what ultimately people care about, as well they should. But even Morrissey eventually broke down and acknowledged his Latino fan base", says Arellano. Now, I'm a huge fan of Arellano's body of work, and our very own Matt Welch(a former colleague) once commented that Gus is "a mensch and huge Angels fan," so his words should not be taken as venomous. That being said, are his remarks necessarily fair? Does Moreno need to do more to build the Latino fanbase, outside of putting together a winning team and enjoyable stadium atmosphere? I think owners that want to take a more public approach towards politics and social issues are commendable, but I'm also quite fine with Arte the way he is: quiet, reserved, focused on winning and making a fan out of EVERYBODY.
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The vast majority of latinos I see around Los Angeles area wear blue caps with LA on them.
I think it is more than just appealing and attracting latino fans in general, it is converting Dodger fans to Angels fans which is a bit of a larger task.
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
Keeping prices down might be the best thing he could possibly do
I’m getting a big kick watching Jeffrey Loria and David Samson make their “big push” into the Latin market in South Florida, while they just jack stadium prices out of the reach of most immigrant families.
I fail to see how his ethnic background should mean he should pursue a certain fan base.
I’m Irish and Filipino, if I were to own the team would I be under some kind of moral imperative to market my team to other people of my exact ethnicity? Would be some pretty targeted marketing to say the least.
That’s not to say he shouldn’t court the latino market, it only makes good business sense with how many in that demographic live in the angels market. But I don’t see how his own ethnicity creates any particular responsibility to do so.
by Darth Duane on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Kill Whitey on a Guilt Trip
At the end of the day, Arte’s just got a much bigger dick than you, Gus, and he always will.
by Rev Halofan on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I always call him the Mexican Ann Coulter. Like her, I've never been convinced he really believes half the shit he writes, but he's created a persona and knows what gets page hits.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Kill Whitey?
Tell me homeboy Gus and his dad don’t want to bang a pair of Newport Cougars they pick up at the game. Not que gavacho a stadium at the moment pops is gonna get lucky, eh?
by Rev Halofan on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just not sure what Arte is supposed to say.
“Hey, guys. I’m Mexican. Soooo…you know…come to the games. Thank you.”
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
I think we need a white "that's racist" GIF.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 20, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
(LOL at your sig; I remember that well.)
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
I would like a paleta cart or two
See there is a happy medium., except they would probably be $5 and then run out of Fresa.
Haha!
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
They did have that Aguas Frescas stand at the main entrance.
I’m not sure I ever saw anyone buy one though =p.
by Darth Duane on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
The luchador mask promo wasn't enough to lure more Mexicans?
Ay dios mios
Fight on!
Luchador is one example
Having multiple members of the broadcast team who are fluent in Spanish is another (Victor is, right?).
My (mild) complaint isn’t that Moreno isn’t targeting Latinos very much, it’s that the mostly lousy food on offer at the stadium gives you very little sense that you’re in Southern California. That you can’t get a decent burrito in that stadium, let alone feast off a taco cart every 100 paces or so, is a crime in the 21st century. It wouldn’t have to all be Mexican, but it takes more than a yard-long frozen margarita to bring the Cali.
I’d send Aramark out on the next Amtrak, and food-truck the SHIT out of that place.
by mattwelch on Jan 20, 2012 4:42 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Gaslamp Ball was complaining about this same thing the other day....
How can a stadium in the middle of San Diego not offer a good taco.
Here’s the discussion thread from them:
http://www.gaslampball.com/2012/1/12/2702202/open-thread-what-are-the-best-tacos-in-san-diego
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 20, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
Why can't they just have normal franchises
instead of using Aramark? Aramark craps up everything. I think they should let Los Sanchez open a taqueria in there…
This Aramark employee
nods sadly in agreement
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Taco cart in the stadium.
I’d be all over that.
They are missing out on a proven revenue stream.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jan 20, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Tacos have UNIVERSAL appeal.
Altho…so do those nachos they sell in the View level!
I've been slaying the nachos they sell at the Melissa's inside the left field gate every game since I found them.
Real. Cheese.
’nuf said.
Real cheese?
not the “pour out of a can slop that was manufactured by a subsidiary of 3M”
Well, I know what I am trying this year.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
It's also great for sound-proofing submarines.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jan 20, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Burritos would actually be a great ballpark food
hand held and really no more messy than a loaded up hot dog.
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
OMG! California burritos at Angel Stadium = EPIC WIN!!!
I would buy that and a blinky cup, pretty much every time.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
You're making me hungry Nate.
CA burritos are a requirement whenever I head down to SD.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
BF and I went to "taqueria" in NYC a couple of weeks ago.
The guy who owns it lived in Baja for a long time; his ex-girlfriend (my friend) from San Diego helped him open it a few years ago. This place has legitimately good fish tacos. ANYWAY. BF saw “California burrito” on the menu, and having lived in San Diego for ~20 years, he got excited. Luckily, we asked before we ordered.
It was but a bean-and-cheese burrito. It was not.even.close to a California burrito. Sigh
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
Ahem ...
Having multiple members of the broadcast team who are fluent in Spanish
We have Mota waiting patiently in the corner for your recognition Matt … He has the sniffles now … BooBoo lip is forming …
If Jose would just do the broadcasts in Spanish....
…. maybe I could understand his mush mouth a little more.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 20, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Food Trucks
For several years now, long before the Kogi-inspired food truck craze came along, I have been advocating for having a taco truck/food truck fest at the stadium. Even if the trucks had to double their prices after paying whatever participation fee the Angels would charge, it would still be a cheaper (and better!) meal than the Aramark crap.
In fact, it wouldn’t need to be a one-time thing. They could allow a certain number of trucks for each home game, with some kind of rotating lineup of traditional tacos, fusion tacos, banh mi, sliders, sausages…you name it.
by jjackflash on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's start a petition to get some taco trucks/carts at the stadium.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Do it! It worked for the DJ3K shenanigans...sorta
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
But then we'd never get to see the SEIU in action again.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 20, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
A rotating availability of food would be awesome!
Even on my 21 game plan (plus randoms) I get tired of the offerrings. Having some variety, or element of surprise, would be great.
You ONLY see this attiude in the latino and black communities.
What this country needs is for people to quit identifying themselves by their race and to START identifying themselves simply as Americans. What the hell has your race ever done for you? nothing,that’s what. The OC Weekly is a pathetic excuse of little rag. And if this guy is such a huge Angels fan, he obviously isn’t going to many games or looking around OC much. Half the people at the games are latinos, easily and the vast majority of people I see walking around wearing Angels gear are latino. Hell, half this board are latinos. Arte has no more responsibility to his race than WarrenBuffett or Bill Gates do to theirs. And if someone suggested one of THEM should do more to reach out to white people..the OC Weekly would be calling it racism. What is the difference I ask?
by firebird81 on Jan 20, 2012 6:28 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Careful there, Firebird...
ignoring race brings up some issues too. Thee is a long history of oppression and discrimination in this country (and elsewhere) that we should remember in order to learn from it in hopes of making a better tomorrow, ya know?
I get what your saying, sometimes it seems like people use race as a crutch and got an endless chip on their shoulder. Remember, though, that being white has long been an advantage in this country. There is no long, historical legacy of the WASPy being oppressed or discriminated against so it might be hard for white people to put themselves in the “others” shoes.
Now please HH commenters, I can’t wait to hear all your whiny responses to this comment about how you had to wait 30 mins at Super Antojitos the other day because you’re some gringo….whine.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 20, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Irish and Italian immigrants on the east coast would like to say hi.
Seems they were highly dicriminated against when they first legally came to the U.S. Or are the Irish and Italians not “WASPy”
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
by steelgolf on Jan 20, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't get me started on the Irish.
Seriously though, ownership doesn’t attract fans, it does cement or drive away the ones you have. It’s just kind of neat that we have a Mexican owner to Mexican fans. My moms surname is Moreno, and it’s just a bit of a laugh to my uncles who are Dodgers fans. You want a bunch of fans, start winning, get kids to the games, they will be hooked for life. Worked on me, (minus the winning).
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
They're not WASPs technically
White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Italians and Irish were Catholic when they arrived and the Italians weren’t Anglo Saxon. In the same vein, Germans, Jews and Eastern Europeans have been discriminated against as well for not being WASPy. Remember, it took nearly 200 years for a Catholic president because people were afraid he’d be influenced by the Pope.
To the topic at hand, race is still a dividing and present issue in the US. It’s important to confront it.
Interesting note, the generation of kids between 0-15 or so now are three generations away from Jim Crow. This is where we start to see a more natural change in their views on race.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Jan 20, 2012 7:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, but that natural change on race gets slowed down by hacks like Gustavo
When someone cries out that someone else “Should do” or “has to do” something because of their race then they are fucking idiots. Who are they to tell someone else what they have to do because it fits their certain agenda. Piss Off Gustavo, you want to push a certain agenda then go buy a team, or a store, or whatever and push it, just don’t go telling someone else who is successful what they have to, or should do to help your agenda.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
by steelgolf on Jan 20, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
uhhhh....not entirely true.
The people we call the Scots-Irish ( my ancestors), have been here since the colonial days. They were oppressed in England and Ireland and were always looked down on as white trash here in the States—even to this day. The term redneck was an ethnic slur from the British Isles, describing these people. They were and are WASPs.
by firebird81 on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just turned steelgolf green, and recommended firebirt 81.
I’m a Scots-Irish WASP without the inherited wealth.
Gustavo and Lopez (mentioned in the Saxon article), don’t recognize, or don’t want to recognize because of their agendas, the incredible marketing value of being the subtle, quiet, influencial, Latino owner…the whole package. Arte’s no anarchist.
by wumbug on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I come from a place of being Cherokee and Irish
but my wife is Japanese and German, my father in law, who will be down visiting next week, was in an “internment camp” as a kid, his sister was born in that camp. In a nutshell, he joined the U.S. military, became a doctor, and recently retired as head of nuclear medicine at a San Francisco hospital (also a very talented photographer). Race pandering like Gustavo did in that article is for the lazy and weak.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
by steelgolf on Jan 20, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Truth
However those Scots-Irish in the South left the system where they lived in discrimination and became the dominant people group in the South and western hills of the Mid-Atlantic. They are WASPs and “looked down on” but in this case it’s not racism but the classic Yankee-Redneck geosocio discrimination.
The basic lesson from all of this: people don’t like people different than themselves.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Give me a fucking break...
Where in the US are you discriminated for being Irish-English…?
Remember when you were a slave…or your grandparent was. Man, that sucked. Like mad fucking shitty…
oh wait. that never happened.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
haven't you seen Gangs of New York?
The Dead Rabbits weren’t fighting for nothing
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
to quote my irish junior year history teacher......
You could get rid of red hair and freckles in a generation…… Blackness has a habit of lingering
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 21, 2012 5:38 AM PST up reply actions
you're pointing that shit at me??
Did you even read the conversation?
To be honest, I was drunk buuuuuut....
The idea of someone giving you shitty service or getting mad at you and calling you a dirty word that relates to your Scots-Irish heritage seems like serious stretch today…Comparatively, at least.
I live in NYC. So basically, a billion different cultures shoved up against each other. It’s get ugly sometimes and I can guarantee you that people of Scotish or Irish heritage are not feeling the brunt of it at all.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
All I said was it wasn’t entirely true that the Irish weren’t technically WASPs. The Scots-Irish came long before the potato famine immigrants and were pretty much all protestants.
live on the east coast...
come fifth generation, i dont care who you are, no excuses.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Being white has benefitted not one single person living in the Appalachians....
There are actually more white people living on poverty in the US than any other race. In fact the number of whites in poverty is pretty close to the number of blacks and latinos COMBINED. I grew up in Westminster when the Vietnamese first came over. I watched these poor people who had no education, couldn’t speak the language and had to put 20 people in a house to live turn their entire fortunes around in 30 years time. They did it not by focusing on race or oppression, but by focusing on education and hard work. Their kids are all doctors and lawyers now. They will own Orange County one day.
Worldwide the political left has always used race as a wedge issue. At the root of virtually every socialist movement thruout history was racism. Here in the states the unions originally fought to protect white jobs and didn’t allow minority membership—in fact blamed minorities for their hard luck, while left wing politicians supported segregation, eugenics and all sorts of other grand ideas.
It’s called divide and conquer. Convince an ethnic group that you have their back against the evil other guys and then begin indoctrinating them into your political belief system. Then you demonize anyone who makes it on their own in this supposedly racist, oppressive country because guys like Arte, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell and Don King disprove your entire storyline by their very existence. So, we get words like Uncle Tom, Coconut or House Negro thrown out to diminish these individuals’ accomplishments. People fighting real oppression are drawn from all political walks( like the early republican party or the civil rights movement of the 50’s and 60’s). But, look at any of these latino or black organization today screaming about racism or oppression and you will that they are virtually ALL left wing groups who stir up racial tensions for their own benefit.
I’m talking about today, right now. I’m not saying hide our past. I’m saying people that keep stirring up these controversies are only keeping racial tensions and distrust alive, while harming entire ehtnic groups who could and should be succeeding in this great nation. And they’re doing it for their own alterior motives.
by firebird81 on Jan 20, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
This bothers me...
1. There are more white people living in poverty in the US is absolutley true. There are also more white people living in the US than other race. When you look at these things in terms of percentages rather than number it really expands the context of what some (who I use to write off) are talking about. There is a higher percentage of minorities, against the total number of said minority, who are living in poverty. To say this depends entirely on work ethic is to ignore all context that history gives us. White people have had the chance to grow wealth for approximately two hundred years before they even allowed other races to start to compete. Not to mention that for a good stretch of US history the infrastructure (not all) of much of out economy was made with slave labor. I have never had any direct benefit from my great-grandfathers farm in Ohio, but my grandpa did. I never had any direct benefit from my grandfather job with Continental Airlines, but my dad did. By placing the fault entirely on the shoulders of whatever minority group is struggling with poverty is to entirely devalue history and context, narrowing our perspective and our empathy to a weird tunnel vision.
It also has much more to do with the immigrant experience than any other single issue.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
That's true for any immigrant group, regardless of race.
Look at any immigrant group at any time and you will find that percentage-wise there is a larger number living in poverty. That’s because the majority of people who immigrate here are poor, looking for the opportunity this country offers. You have to look at those individuals 20 years later, not the overall number which is always going to be higher because of new people immigrating.
The black experience in America is unique among all races. They alone were considered property and not human. But even that story isn’t as black and white as you might think. There has never been a time since our nation’s founding that blacks did not live free and own property here. True story.
And my family sure never benefited from any white head start. I can trace my lineage of utter poverty all the way back to the hills of Virginia in the 1700’s. In any event, the conditions that prevented minorities from succeeding in the past haven’t existed in generations. In today’s America your future is in your hands, regardless of the color of your skin. Immigrants from around the world prove that every single day.
by firebird81 on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Firebird 81
“There has never been a time since our nation’s founding that blacks did not live free and own property here.” Absolutely, there were even a few black people who owned slaves. These exceptions don’t undermine the overwhelming evidence of they negative/cruel experiences of slaves in this country.
And I think we agree more then disagree. My grandfather is a Mexican immigrant who, with an eight grade education, had done tremendously for himself. He owns some property worth some cash. I think that we as humans need to veer more towards practicing empathy then painting people with a wider brush in spite of context and history.
And your family may not have benefited, but a lot have, certainly more then another race in the US.
This is always worth watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This is the single most civilized discussion of race and privilege I have ever seen online
Thank you HH for being a community that doesn’t devolve into YouTube or Yahoo-like shenanigans.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
I half expected “Flame War Fridays” to kick off a few hours ago. Rev’s probably tired from hovering his hand over the banhammer.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
What about Asians?
Asians don’t benefit from being “Asian”. Asians as well East Indians are expected to be a academic and scientific robots, while other groups get more “slack” in academic admissions to certain private colleges. “I’m Asian” automatically precludes someone from “Overcoming all odds”, even if they did overcome all odds to be a 4.0 student.
Moreno doesn’t need to prove anything. There were complaints that the team was “too Latino” with signings of Colon, Escobar and Vlad. He just needs to build a team that’s a winner.
Also, Aztlan theology is racist.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
That the genius of Louis CK
shit he says is so true and always finds away to tackle touchy subjects in a playful but relevant way.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
"Us vs. Them" is the oldest strategy in the book
Sometimes it’s legitimate, but a lot of times it’s just a convenient ploy for whoever’s using it. It still works because it’s easy to get people to buy into it. It plays on some of the most basic human emotions and instincts. Until that is overcome, it’ll always be a powerful tool of control.
Anyway, Texas sucks ass.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
I like to think we are evolving past that, than I watch the news :(
At least we call all agree here that the “them” is Texas.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Texans are an inferior race.
Try measuring their skulls sometime and you’ll see what I mean.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
"Uh, Sir? Phrenology was dismissed as quackery 160 years ago."
“Of course you’d say that…you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter!”
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
That's why I love the internet
Free exchange of ideas. No rules.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Going one step further, how about everyone just identifies themselves as human...
…since the color of your skin and what artifically drawn portion of the map you were born in are nothing more than the result of random chance.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What word are we talking about?
"I was at a Del Taco, on the phone with Alex Anthopoulos, When the Drugs began to take hold…"
-- No Bologna Polonia
No way, man.
I can’t handle thinking that, if it’s totally random, I could have been born a New Yorker. Or a Bostonian. Or — gasp — a Texan! Anywhere else, though, I’d deal.
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
Okay, enough race talk.
Let’s move onto an issue on which we all can agree, our collective hatred of cats.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
by snowhor on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Only certain cats
Some are better than others.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I like ideology
It turns posts green.
by Suboptimal on Jan 20, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It reminds me of the opinion trackers that CNN has during debates
which the audience can press up to agree with what candidate A is saying or press down if they disagree.
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't that be kind of sad and transparent if Arte started walking around speaking Spanish and pandering to a particular demo?
I know for a fact the Angels target latinos with their marketing (Spanish ads on local radio and Spanish publications) and sponsors so I really do not need to see my owner become some mascot for a particular community to feel like he’s doing his job.
How many Spanish speaking fans want to know about Arte’s anti-labor, right wing political beliefs? Less is more!
RIP Nick Adenhart
But he allows the audience to choose the broadcast that suits them.
He’s a businessman and cares only that the audience tunes in; not a hack who pushes one broadcast over the other to pander to a certain ethnicity.
Doing something with class usually means not making a ton of noise about it.
"Doing something with class usually means not making a ton of noise about it."
A-double-men, sir.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I didnt even realize oc weekly still existed
Speaking of pandering, they do a pretty good job of pandering to the 16 year old dead kennedys fan that is just, like, so fed up with the social norms, man.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 20, 2012 7:50 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
LA Weekly had an article a few months back about the burgeoning "LA backyard punk show scene."
It was about house parties where shitty punk bands play. Sooooo underground and inventive. Next, they should write about these new things called “raves.”
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 7:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
seriously
all oc weekly is now is ads for pot, bars, strip clubs and escorts
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Otherwise known as "Friday Night" to some.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
What can I say? The rest of my budget is for buying Pujols gear.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard they were shutting down the MM dispenserys down there.
Is that true?
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Stupid high school vending machine restrictions...
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Why, did someone throw out all the W's again?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Guerrero, Colon, Santana, Rodriguez (like, 11 versions), Pujols, Aybar, Izturis, Morales...
…Escobar, Guillen, etc.
I’m pretty sure this article sucks.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
Typical left wing bullshit
I love the fact that Arte is described as a great businessman, self made man, veteran, and great owner, not simply a Latino. He does a great job representing the Angels and the community and providing a role model proving that hard work and education do pay off.
Pandering to a certain demographic would make him a caricature. He obviously prefers being a man.
by JeffJoiner on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Isn't "left wing bullshit" usually along the lines of: "Can't we all just get along?"
Gustavo’s position is actually more of the draw-lines-in-the-sand variety.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 20, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Or it's affirmative action and class warfare
The right has issues on which it is devisive (gay rights) but when it comes down to splitting people up by race, the left has that market cornered.
Splitting people up by race is beyond political wings
it is a social and economical trend that has persisted as long as races and cultures have been physically able to interact. The job of a progressive (I use the term progressive not politically, but rather in terms of forward thinking in general, as derived from its root, progress) world is to recognize that social and economical trends have sorted people based on their own constructions such as race, and work to rectify those sorting techniques. This does not mean to live in a world that ignores race, but rather recognizes its forced existence and ensure that people have equal opportunities regardless of race
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This works.....
except for the fact that I am an Angels, Spurs and Chargers fan……. I have to deal with Texans on some blogs, even some of whom are rangers fans, while ridiculing them on others…
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
It truly is the white man's burden, huh?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
laughing out loud
life is so damn hard. I have to deal with all types of sports fan and know which ones to ridicule where…… WWWAAAAAHHHHH
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
For the record, I'm and equal opportunity basher
The right has a lot of its own bullshit that needs to be called out.
Oh, I had no doubt about that, Jeff.
I’m more of a devil’s advocate, myself…
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Class warfare?
Whoa, now we’re in some political attack ad territory. I think I’ll bow out of this conversation now…
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
buffalo wings...
"We are the JeDi, the ultimate power in the universe. We will do as we choose. And we will destroy any who dare stand in our way."
by ladybug on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
buffalo wings?
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
Doyers fell for that one.
I never want to hear my team called the An-hels.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, how dare people have accents.
This is Amurika, dammit.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
eyespy, is it too early to pledge my love to you?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
^this^
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
Afraid, you are going to have to get in line
by eyespy on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I know, right?
Only thing worse would be people called the city the name was based on “Lohs AHN-hehl-ehs”
It’s clearly “Lahs AN-jel-ees”
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ahahahahaha
rec’d
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
? Why ?
This is a dumb post. I moved from Anaheim to the right coast because of Immigration. When Arte purchased the team and his first order of business was to fire white players and sign Latin players. I shook my head and vowed to never put my $ in Arte’s pocket. It’s been 10yrs and I havent been to 1game or purchased one thing of merch. When Arte spent $254+ on Pujols I gave this franchise a major (FACEPALM). And now I’m hearing it’s going to be a latin team come 2016 and Arte’s moving the team to LA.. Thank god I left that crap hole called Cali.
Good old-fashioned, straight-forward racism.
Kind of refreshing compared to the sneaky racism we’re used to these days.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
That has nothing on Charlie Murphy True Hollywood Stories
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
"his first order of business was to fire white players and sign Latin players"
This might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read on here, and that’s including DOV’s posts.
by ~MMP~ on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I was wondering...
They call it the “sarchasm” around here, and we all fell into it apparently.
Glad to hear you were kidding.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I fell into that so deep I was starting to think you were gonna get ryanfea’d
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Ah ok, because your original post read like this:
Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me. Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me Ban me.Ban me.
"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca
Banh mi.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
That looks good
The sexed up version of the Po’boy?
"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca
How Many Threads
on HH include two separate references to banh mi?
Yes, they should serve these at the game (better if it’s from Nom Nom Truck, or any of dozens of worthwhile sandwich shops than a corporate concession).
"fire white players"
it should be “not resign white players”
stupid white guy making all the smarts white people look bad
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
hey DOV
It’s re-sign.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some of your best friends are black I bet—just not latino.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
NathanielS, is that a KKK emoticon I see there?
Sweet!
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Your a idiot - glad you left the great state of CALIFORNIA
Enjoy texas
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
do you suggest we sign Sammy Sosa?
he is KINDA white
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
He discriminated against them and the Iranian-Americans in OC by not bidding on Darvish.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
The real isssue is why?
Why? would this matter after we win a WS for the fifth time in a row in 2017
up yours texas
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
I've often thought about the Dodgers' link to the Latino community, how strong they're represented by that group and what(if anything) they specifically did to get that way.
I think it boils down to “right team at the right time.” I mean, sure, they did stuff back in the 50’s like being one of the first to do Spanish broadcasts, Spanish-themed promotions, and other acts of goodwill, but you have to wonder how much of that was because of guilt regarding the whole Chavez Ravine debacle, and any bad taste it may had left in the mouths of it’s future fanbase. A total CYA initiative. Combine that with the already-established Bridegroom-Trolley-Dodger legacy, and being the first and only MLB team(til the Angels were born and began their now-51 year reconquista quest, as Gustavo Arellano might say), and you have a ready made audience of Latino baseball fans who are ready to partake in the American pastime.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 2:22 PM PST reply actions
First I would like to see that whenever I see a state farm insurance company commercial
I now think of you as mayhem that might at any moment wreck my car by streaking onto a sports field or something like that. Secondly, I agree the team is ripe for a Latino audience, and many of my friends who are Latino tend to root for the Angels if they know something about baseball. My friends who dont know much about baseball tend to rep blue just out of cultural obligation it seems
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Every time I see that commercial, I'll say to myself "Protect you from Mayhem? Not a goddamn chance." Then I flex my biceps and kiss them, Hulk Hogan style.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and then take your pants off?
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I definitely see a rise in Angels popularity among Latinos...at least in my completely unscientific research.
That research includes seeing more Angels gear on the bus, in the two Orange barrios I’m familiar with, and when I worked at TGIFridays a few years back, all the Mexican dudes that worked in the kitchen were all Angels fans. They had a spanish language Coors Light poster put up near the fryers that featured the Molina bros.
Also, I think you could judge popularity by the proliferation of Angels gear and symbols in gang culture. Not saying I’ve spent time in Theo Lacy, OCJ or Musick…BUT…if I HAD…then I’d tell you most of the Southsiders root for the Angels, many have the “A” logo tattooed on their body somewhere.
That reminds me of a funny story: I was on the bus the other day, wearing an Angels throwback hat. A Latino dude wearing baggy jeans, long white shirt, Nikes and a Dodgers hat got my attention and said “Clean hat, man.” I said thanks, then he said “Pffft. I have to wear this stupid Dodgers hat. I HATE the Dodgers. I’m going to my P.O. though and she makes me cover my tattoos. I forgot my hat today and had to wear this one, it’s my cousins. He gave me a ride to the bus stop.” I asked “What tatoos?” and he took his hat off to reveal the biggest freakin’ Angels tat a man could possibly have on his skull. It was the current “A” logo, on the back of his head. Started from his neck, going up all the way to the top of his head and covered every space in between. He was super proud of that tat, I could tell. I told him that I had time for that shit. He just said “Hell yeah, dog. I hate wearin’ this hat. Pfffffft”, while looking at his hat like he wanted to burn it.
TrAdition.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
great story
Im on the east coast most of the year and I spend more time in LA than OC so it is refreshing to hear stories like that
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I got two awesome Segways. One for each of us.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Does he ever wear them? I thought he just wore a diaper all the time.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
There's only one way to find out.
When can I move in?
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Are you going to be Mrs. red floyd's permanent caretaker?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Sounds like the making of a heartfelt comedy-drama.
Two people from two different worlds that end up teaching each other important life lessons. We’ll call it Mayhem & Me.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of your bulging biceps, I heard you got arrested at the zoo recently.
For stealin’ them pythons.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
If anyone wants to know why Arte doesn't comment on La Raza....
…. look at this shit storm we have here. Maybe he’s too busy kicking ass, making billions, and personally making sudden plays for players like Pujols to get into arguments about whitey’s treatment of Laktinos…. which would then disintegrate into whether Mexican American sell outs have screwed Nicaraguans, El Salvadorans, or Panamanians over harder. Then the Bolivians and Columbians would have to chime in, and the pasty white Argentinians will have to sit in a corner and lament that they killed all their dark skinned folk and thus can’t take part in the big wank Blah Blah Blah.
Gee. Why doesn’t Arte want to make a public comment on race to the Latino press writer?
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 20, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions
At least it's clear to all of US as to why Arte doesn't do that. You guys make me proud.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 20, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
To sum up the HH reaction to the issue of courting Latino fans:
No public statement needed.
Better Mexican food please.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 20, 2012 6:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Tacos, tequila, & nude Salma Hayek. . . .
There, we’ve discussed in depth the three major accomplishments of Mexico.
These idiot race baiters need to quit treating Hispanics as a monolith. Yes, many of these fine folks have shared economic concerns and many are themselves undocumented workers or know friends or family who are. Many of them, and I know a few, are Hispanics, not from Mexico, who find “Mexican culture” oxymoronic. Bringing in a guy from Venezuela just to be an Angels player isn’t necessarily going to excite a Honduran unless the guy has off the charts skills. Not one Angels fan I am aware of has ever been racist in the face of either good talent or in blasting stiffs who should be DFA’d. We are all about winning. We embraced Rod Carew. My favorite player for a time as a kid was Chili Davis. I mourned Donnie Moore. I loved Vlad Guerero. I eagerly await the debut of Puljos. Our favorite whipping boy of the past two years was a white catcher who happened to suck hard. It would have been no different had he been Puerto Rican.
Arturo Moreno’s story should be a shining example that one’s race or background need not hold them back in this country.
Artie owns the Angels, but really, it’s akin to a public trust. The Angels have a lot of fans. Arte serves that public best when he caters to them all. There’s nothing wrong at all with doing better Hispanic outreach, but following the over the top market of Los Doyers will prove to be a mistake, especially if it attracts the type of Doyer that not even the Dodgers want around.
Ah Look! My California Angels are now all grown up!
This lady from Honduras started telling me about Mexicans
Seriously the most racist shit I have ever heard, from a sweet little old lady, Archie Bunker would have risen to “Defend the DF” as they say, so I was like… WOW… ain’t no such thing as “Latino”, just a jigsaw puzzle of nationalism.
after seeing how many comments this thread was getting, and given the subject matter, I was purposely avoiding it
assuming it was going to be a complete shit show, but boy was I wrong. good job peeps on keeping shit civil
hope nobody here has epilepsy
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm offensive, and I find this Mexican!
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think I just had an epilectic fit
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
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