What If Scenario
What If Scenario
Preface:
This was fueled by my lingering distaste for the Vernon Wells trade. With all the amazingness that is named DiPoto, it still doesn't vindicate the trade. The sting resurfaces now and again. Like the AM830 interview recently where Vernon said he wants to hit 2nd or when the name Anthopoulos comes up. The only vindication will be if we win a championship with Vernon Wells as a contributor.
The Post:
Earlier today, I learned that the Blue Jays had signed Francisco Cordero to a deal worth $4.5 for one year. I felt very happy that the Angels dodged a bullet in signing another reliever that would have ended up on the list of bullpen arms that have aged us (J.C. Romero, Hector Carrasco, Esteban Yan, Justin Speier, Brian Fuentes, Fernando Rodney, Hisanori Takahashi, etc.). I figured they had owed us several favors(in addition to taking Mathis off our hands) since we took on Vernon Wells. Thanks Toronto.
Then, I was thinking how the fan base had been limping on, watching Vernon in Angel red and Napoli being called the World Series MVP prior their Game 6 collapse. But then again, we didn't trade Napoli to Texas. Anthopoulos did. And though Reagins earned and still deserves every criticism of the deal, Anthopoulos hasn't received any for also passing up on Napoli.
Not saying the he deserves much if any, as he moved the unmovable contract of Vernon Wells but how would Napoli have helped the team? Last year Napoli outperformed both the Jays' 2012 starting First Baseman Adam Lind and starting DH Edwin Encarnacion.
Edwin Encarnacion, in a Mr. Toad's wild ride fashion, was put on waivers by the Blue Jays after the 2010 season, picked up by the A's in November 2010, non-tendered in December 2010 and finally resigned by the Jays to a 2 year $6 Million deal by Jan 1st of 2011. He had a respectable .272/.334/.453 in 2011.
Then there's Jays 1st Baseman Adam Lind, who hasn't posted an OBP over .300 since 2009 and had below league average wOBAs in the subsequent 2010 and 2011 seasons. Essentially, his 2011 season was similar to Vernon Wells. Lind is signed through 2013, making $5 Million in 2012 and 2013, with team options through 2016.
What If:
Let's say Edwin was never resigned by the Jays, Napoli would slide into the DH slot very nicely along with his .320/.414/.631 slash line. Now you have added a 30 HR hitter to protect Jose Bautista.
Now post-2011 season, say that the Jays front office, unhappy with Adam Lind's production, decide to move his contract (eating some of the contract as well). You now have a slot open at First Base with the Jays making a legitimate run at Prince Fielder being their First Baseman.
Anthopoulos has been quoted as saying the Jays would be able to support a high payroll down the road(http://getfile2.posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/temp-2012-01-24/bFfcgqDDJzfAEibhzqpnrxdzjqBivhchylmGkzlcivHGzFABEEknbDkIDosx/01-24-12_Alex_Anthopoulos_on_big_name_free_agents_for_web_1869278.mp3) . And in addition to that, Team President Paul Beeston said that Rogers Communications has never turned down a request to increase payroll(http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20120119_114529_428).
Between signing Francisco Cordero, Darren Oliver, Nelson Figueroa, Omar Visquel, acquiring Jeff Mathis, and reacquiring Jason Frasor, that comes out to $23.65 Million. Not to mention, if Edwin was never signed($3.5 Million Salary in 2012)and you moved Lind(or at least his $5 Million for 2012), that's $32.15 Million. Take $8 Million off for Napoli and $4 for the Morrow extension and you have $20.15 Million left to spend(With two Arbitration cases left to settle). Request your payroll to be increased and Back Load Fielder's contract and you could swing it financially. Him wanting to play in Toronto is another story.
Now you have the punch that Detroit has:
SS Yunel Escobar
LF Eric Thames
RF Jose Bautista
1st Prince Fielder
DH Mike Napoli
2nd Kelly Johnson
3rd Brett Lawrie
C J.P. Arencibia
CF Colby Ramus
Except you don't.
Ha.
Vernon Wells Trade Karma.
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Something tells me
Toronto might be interested in hearing about this but….
Huh?
"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca
Yes?
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 AM PST reply actions
me too... too complicated for me
No, it's the Clip Show!
I agree: The Angels aren't the only ones getting screwed by the Wells Affair...and maybe AA's not so bright
I seriously could not believe that the Jays flipped Napoli so quickly, especially for a single reliever. From my perspective, it was like they had just pulled one of the greatest heists ever and were so drunk during the after party that they allowed another gang to come in and take most of their loot. I couldn’t wrap my head around it. The fact that Texas was the third party just made me angrier considering Reagins had pretty much given them Napoli and Rivera for the pleasure of erasing one of Toronto’s past mistakes.
I still don’t get it. Napoli is an OBP factory that is good for at least 25 HR a year and can play three positions capably enough…and he’s still under team control. He’s leagues better than Lind and Encarnacion, as you say. Arencibia has similar power and could develop into a better overall hitter, but right now he doesn’t have the discipline or the defense to be a better alternative to Naps. He would have been perfect for the Jays and their homer dome as they tried to come up in the AL East.
I’m also surprised that they didn’t make any of the big moves you discussed. I expected them to be top suitors for both Darvish and Fielder, given the deep pockets of their ownership and the fact that they seem to be on the beginning of an upswing in talent. Instead, it seems they were only somewhat interested in Darvish and didn’t really bother with Fielder.
The Jays are one of the teams that I consider to be “agreeable” if the Angels aren’t playing, and they were a powerhouse when I was learning to love baseball. Them winning means the Yankees and Red Sox aren’t. It seems they’re squandering their opportunity to return to dominance to a certain extent.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The Jays trusted Sosh's evaluation of Napoli
which is why they flipped him so quickly and probably why they took Mathis. It just makes me scratch my head as to what exactly Sosh does or does not see in his catchers, everyone else on the planet knew Napoli was better than Mathis (Except Lyle but he is the exception to the rule). He needs to play Conger and give him a shot.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
Over the last year
The Blue Jays have pretty much convinced me that Alex Anthopoulos is not as brilliant as everyone thought he was. He was just lucky enough to find the world’s biggest sucker.
by Suboptimal on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It suprised me how much talk from the Jays front office was about being a big payroll type team...
…yet going about their business small market.
If you had to flip Juan Rivera or Mike Napoli to make room for $5 Million dollars, why didn’t they flip Rivera? They had Eric Thames, Travis Snider, Rajai Davis & Corey Patterson competeing for 2 outfield spots.
I used to think of Alex Anthopoulos as the next Andrew Friedman but I guess we’ll see how it goes….
I think that it wasn't that the Jays underbid on Darvish, as I understand it,
as much as the Rangers wildly overbid.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Did it ever come out what their bid amount was?
Initially I heard it was somewhere around $40 million. If that’s true, then yeah, they were serious and the Rangers just went buck wild. I thought I saw that amount called into question by a few sources, though. If they had kept Naps and added him, they’d be a better team right now. I’m just wondering why they haven’t done anything with all that money we gave them for Wells.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I heard/read it was half of what the Rangers bid.
But trying to nail that information down proves problematic. Keith Law describes AA as a GM who goes after value. So I would rationalize that would lead to him mostly avoiding free agency, as players in no way wish to be had at a value price.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
This
AA isn’t as bright as everyone thought – I’ve been saying it since he flipped Napoli for a mediocre reliever.
Reagins was worse, but not by as much as people originally thought. After all, who’s got Mathis now?
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 25, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
You're misunderestimating Mathis' winning percentage.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
Cool train of thought there
Toronto should have received a better return for Napoli or just fielded a more competitive team.
The blue jays are now my dark horse team for 2012.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
Can't wait for napoli to never put up those ridiculous 2011 numbers ever again.
Just get fatter. And fatter. And fatter.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 25, 2012 9:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah pretty unexpected for a career .240 hitter to suddenly explode to a .320 season
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
An even better drug is a team hitting philosophy that doesn't punish a player for walking.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
Like how fat?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 26, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 27, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
He HAS to regress this year.
I just don’t see a repeat.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Sure, there is likely to be some regression. He was absurdly good last year.
Here’s the thing, though. Even if he falls all the way back down to his career numbers (.873 OPS), he still will be far better than any hitter in our lineup not named Albert Effing Pujols.
I don’t understand the excitement of seeing Napoli come back down to earth. Should we really celebrate that the player Tony Reagins discarded as a piece of trash would still be our second best hitter?
I expect to think about this every time Albert Pujols is walked to get to Vernon Wells.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
No but some people are talking about how unbelievable it is that napoli was traded twice
No one wants him to go back to who he was (aside from the fact he is on the rangers and I want all their players to fail) but we are just saying its really not that crazy that he was traded, he was a career .240 hitter with lots of power but no patience who was basically flunking out of catching and not a good enough hitter to stick at 1st.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Naps had no patience? Huh?….
by Ten ocho recon scout on Feb 6, 2012 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nap was our best option and would still be today
…and quick trivia who is the only catcher in MLB history to allow 6 steals while going 0-6 in a single game? …and he was chosen over Napoli (maybe twice now)…

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