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"The Angels' surplus of first base/DH types isn't exactly a problem, but if all the candidates are healthy, at least one trade seems inevitable before Opening Day."

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So let me get this straight.......

Texas has pitching depth…. we have offensive depth? Our pitching staff falls apart after our 5th starter? If Colby Lewis and his 4.4 era denotes a quality starter, I don’t see why a top prospect doesn’t denote a quality 6th starter.

I feel this writer makes many assumptions with very little knowledge of the actual facts.

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 27, 2012 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

Thank you.

I was in the process of typing up something similar.

I think Rosenthal confused the Rangers with the Angels.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 27, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

All I can figure

Is that he believes the 6th pitcher with a sub 5 ERA is the most important part of pitching depth. Likewise 1st base depth denotes overall offensive depth. In which case it is true, Lewis is probably a better pitcher than Richards and Pujols/Morales/Trumbo create a better platoon than Moreland.

But I think that Rosenthal has interesting opinions on what it is that makes a pitching rotation “deep” (a pitcher who only plays in the event of injuries) and an offense “deep” (3 first basemen, one of whom has been injured for 2 years, one of whom doesn’t know how to take a pitch and has a terrible OBP, and yes one of whom happens to be the greatest hitter of a generation)

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 27, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I was scratching my head on that one.

We have offensive depth, but lack offensive talent. Just because we have options doesn’t mean all our options are good.

Same with Texas’ pitching staff, which is full of question marks everywhere you look.

For starters (see what I did there?), they lost their ace. As much as they want to make it seem like the signing of Darvish covers that, it doesn’t. Darvish is a huge question mark. They are expecting him to be the Eastern Tim Lincecum this year, while that is highly unlikely. He may or may not be an ace in the big leagues, but the fact still remains that he has never faced big league hitters through the course of a full season, especially pitching in a park like Arlington.

Second, they have guys like Derek Holland who have been shaky throughout the course of last season. Holland has high upside, but until he can learn how to pitch consistently well, he is relegated to Joe Saunders status in terms of results.

Along with that point comes Alexi Ogando, who showed very clearly that he wore out late in the season. It was only to be expected in his first full season as a starter, but with his limited pitching arsenal and his lack of experience pitching into the 7th inning late in September, he will likely not be a solid starter going forward. I highly doubt he can repeat the type of success he had last season. He doesn’t have good enough stuff to fool hitters consistently.

Then there’s Neftali Feliz. Like Ogando, Feliz’s stuff is better suited for the bullpen. Not only will they be careful with his innings limit this year as his first full year as a starter (in the big leagues), who knows how his 2-3 pitch arsenal will play over the course of the season. He doesn’t have the stuff to be able to fool hitters in the 7th inning like he did in the 1st inning.

In the bullpen, you have a shaky Koji Uehara and a shaky closer as well. Nathan used to be one of the best, but he hasn’t shown he can get back to where he was, which is big because they invested quite a bit with the hope that he returns to form. Right now, they don’t have a proven closer and the only strong supporting cast in the bullpen is Mike Adams.

So no, pitching is not a strength for Texas right now. It has the potential to be, but A LOT of things have to go right for that to be the case. I’m actually looking forward to a lot of their risks blowing up in their faces. Texas is over-rated, and I can’t wait to see the results.

by moralesforpresident on Jan 27, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Good summation

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said “Just because we have options doesn’t mean all our options are good.” Some big question marks with Aburu, Wells, Morales, even Trumbo.

Same goes for Texas. Texas has a lot of pitching options but they all come with legitimate questions

by UCIHalo on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right

I confused talent and depth….. and I guess you could say that pitching strength is deep in texas (not necessarily good but deep). I just think their lineup is much more of a strength than their pitching depth

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 27, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Texas Strength in Pitching is overstated

The Rangers have an interesting rotation. Their rotation is deep, but unproven. I would argue that their rotation is composed of pitchers who have shown moments of brilliance but not long stretches of dominance. i.e. Holland, Ogondo (sp), even Feliz. I would argue that they do not have a legitimate front of the rotation starter (It remains to be seen how Darvish will fair during a MLB season)

The Angels rotation has 4 proven starters with long track records. But Rosenthal’s opinion that the rotation is short after the 5 is accurate. It gets dicey after Richards.

by UCIHalo on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Rosenthal

He may be right about the depth after the no. 5, but what team doesn’t have that problem? If one of your starters goes down, you’re going to have to fill in with a pitcher who is less than the starter, otherwise the fill-in would be a starter.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 27, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Very true. Injuries are the game changer

Except for Philly I think we have the best 1-4 in the MLB. If you have a solid 1-4 who stay healthy all you need from that number 5 is an innings eater.

But as the Red Sox demonstrated last year bad things happen if your rotation falls apart at the end of the season.

by UCIHalo on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I like your answer

It is a statement that you are proud of

by eyespy on Jan 27, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup. Wait, what?

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 28, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

His lack of faith in Richards is a bit insulting.

I think the X Factor for this season is more Richards than Trout. If Richards can make the next step in his development, he could be a solid starter. He has the potential to pitch like a 2 or 3 in the big leagues, and if he can make that step this season we would have an absolutely dynamic rotation. Much like the Phillies rotation last season, if we can have Richards be our 2012 version of Vance Worley, who knows how good our rotation can be. If that’s the case, we could have four legitimate No. 2s behind Weaver.

Trout’s X Factor is Scioscia, and he is likely going to be patient with him, especially because after the season we’ll have a full-time opening for him. I’d love for Trout to replace Vernon, but I have yet to see Scioscia make that kind of move. Granted, Trout is a special player, but it would be uncharacteristic of Scioscia.

by moralesforpresident on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

William's makes me nervous

Great Story. But concerned about the clock striking midnight in his Cinderella story. I have more confidence in Richard’s long term.

by UCIHalo on Jan 27, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanna see the clock strike midnight before I count him out

It probably will and Richards will be a better option but right now? Im taking Williams as my 5th starter and feeling pretty good about it.

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That could change in one season, though.

Especially when we pull of the mega-fleecing deal of all time: Richards for Evan Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman, AND David Wright.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 27, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You should make a FanPost

See what the consensus on this trade is.

by eyespy on Jan 27, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Coming into this thread late...

But yeah. Rosenthal irritated me for a number of reasons you all mention, especially the use of the word “scary” to describe the possibility of an injury that makes it necessary for a team to use a top baseball prospect SP in the 5 slot for part of a season, followed by about the best 1-4 SPs in MLB. I think Rosenthal lacks depth.

by Rock Island Line on Jan 28, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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