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Imagine...let's just say Wells bounces back and Morales is healthy. A man can dream right?

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One question:

1. Does anyone think Hatcher would be offended by this?

I kinda wish we had Jaramillo.

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by Tapatio Man on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Not that it would bother me that Hatcher would get butt-hurt,

just maybe Wells is sending a message (that Hatcher sucks)? Going outside of the organization instead of going to your own hitting coach. Maybe it’s more common than I think ..

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by Tapatio Man on Jan 30, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be awesome

If Morales comes back, Wells can be the most overpaid 6 or 7 hitter in the league. If he feels no pressure and just hits .250 with 20 bombs, that would be huge.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

I'm honestly expecting something like that.

The guy’s performance has varied widely over his entire career, and he can’t get much worse than last year. If he can just do what he said and hit more doubles, he’ll be a lot better.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Guys like Wells tend to fall off a cliff.

But, yeah, we should hope he just slipped at the edge of the cliff and bruised his shin.

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry

by LAASurfin on Jan 30, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

LESS POP UPS

So many games with runners in scoring position and Wells up that lead to a shallow outfield pop caught by the SS.

If those pop-ups were long flyball outs….it would’ve made a huge difference…or so I like to think.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

One thing I can say

He is working very hard in an effort to keep his job. No idea how successful he will be….

by Brody on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

to bad you cant coach talent

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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

I want my vote back!

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by PieceOfAase on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza

by Howie's Batting Title on Jan 30, 2012 1:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

One Has to Wonder

how much longer Jerry Dipoto will allow Mickey Hatcher to keep his job. Earlier in the offseason, I read another article which mentioned someone working with a non-Hatcher hitting coach. It could have been another article mentioning Wells; at this point I just don’t remember who it was.

I’m still really worried about Hatcher working with Mike Trout.

by jjackflash on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

This

I feel like Hatcher will mind screw the easily influenced youngsters like Trout and Bourjos. If we plan on having a successful player development program Hatcher needs to go.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

When was the last time we heard about a hitter from another team coming to work with Hatcher in the offseason?

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry

by LAASurfin on Jan 30, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't it Hatcher who worked with Pete on flattening the bat?

Not that I want Hatcher around any long than necessary…

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by 5thStarter on Jan 30, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

*longer

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea

I’m pretty sure that before last season Brandon Wood was working with Kevin Long, too. Of course, that didn’t do a whole lot for him (he hit like .211), but it does show that some Angels seem to have a general wariness of Hatcher’s effectiveness.

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by nicolasville on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Will he also show up to camp "in the best shape of his life"?

I do expect better performance than last year, though, if only because of a “dead cat bounce”.

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by The_Question on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

We got PUJOLS?

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder what it would take to get him?

Damn, I mixed my memes again!

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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i wonder if when we get him

If he can double role and being hitting coach as well

Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.

by Alavel on Jan 31, 2012 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought we got Polous!

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dreamer.

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by angelslogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

I honestly believe that this team will get better hitting wise...

Everyone’s so anxious to see what it is that Pujols does and how he prepares himself. It also helps that Hatcher said he’s not going to get close to Pujols (not in those same words unfortunately). So I’ll be damned if the team doesn’t get better…

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by maze88 on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

actually I want hatcher to get close to Pujols

He should bring a note pad, an I-Pad and anything else he can use to for the rest of the team. Also to take whatever food orders Pujols may have.

by mustang6944 on Feb 1, 2012 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

"Would you like fries with that, Mr. Pujols?"

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry

by LAASurfin on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That's fine and all but...

I feel like Wells’ biggest problem is his eye. Dude swings at terrible, terrible pitches. I read that his last year with the Jays, their hitting coach encouraged Wells to sniff out the fastballs and hold off on anything else. Seemed to work but he definitely regressed in 2011.

I also vaguely remember someone on here mentioning how his pop-up rate was high, even for him. Even a incremental betterment of Wells would do a world of good. Let’s hope this works!

Also, glad to see he’s actually putting forth the effort to be a stud. I’ll take that over some assclown sitting back collecting a check not giving a rats ass what he bats.

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by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

i read somewhere,

I really cant remember where though, that the players really like Hatcher because he is a caring fun loving guy who would give all his time to try and help a guy out if he felt uncomfortable with his swing. In the same article it also mentioned that Hatcher was more of an inspirational coach though because he doesnt use any kind of video analysis with the players, instead that is left up to them if they so choose to use that.

I found that to be really absurd. I mean this is a whole new era of baseball where studying video is one of the most important keys a player could use to help improve his swing yet the “hitting” coach chooses not to rely on it and leave that most important part of his kob up to the players.

by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Lets up for the best for Wells and Morales

I can’t see Vernon being worse than last year. He has a lot of things working in his favor. The addition of Pujols in the lineup will probably have a positive affect of the types of pitches he sees. It also takes away some of the pressure he had last year. Also the adjustment period should be over

by UCIHalo on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

exactly-- can he be worse than last year.

I don’t think he can and he still managed to hit 25 bombs.

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by Jay Cal on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

you just identified how he can be worse

what if he bats .218 with 17 bombs?

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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn it!

You got me.

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by Jay Cal on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember Kaz entering a new training regiment before the 2011 offseason

and claiming that he was in the best shape of his life….

Eerily similar to Wells’ situation IMO.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not uncommon.

My cousin plays in the Cardinals system and he said if you don’t show up in the best shape of your life, you’re left in the dust. Jan/Feb is when players are typically in the best shape they’ll be in all year. However, baseball is one of the few sports where the best athlete on the field isn’t always the best player on the field.

by moralesforpresident on Jan 30, 2012 12:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This guy is probably THE X-factor in 2012

A return to form would transform our lineup almost as much as Albert will

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

even if

Wells sucks and Morales still can’t play..we atleast have pujols and no jeffy..niceee

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

The next step, after working with a top-hitting coach, is to track down every Angels fan you’ve hurt with your weak-ass pop-ups and personally apologizing for your primitive plate discipline.

by Suboptimal on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

I thought I already did that... or was that for the 3-Wood thread?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think 3 Wood

Some words just are triggers for these.

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by SalmonStream on Jan 30, 2012 2:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He must be getting ready, so he can bat second in the lineup..

Or so he thinks he should!

"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza

by Howie's Batting Title on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

As bad as Wells was last year, at least he wasn't Dunn.

I really wanted the Angels to sign him before last year. So damn lucky that didn’t happen.

I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.

by Monkeyspanked on Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If VW can hit .240/.300/.450 with roughly the same amount of homers as last year with 80+ RBIs, that will be a huge upgrade to our lineup in addition to Pujols.

And I don’t think these numbers are unattainable for Wells by any means.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

Damn, I will be giddy if he can reach those numbers

I just don’t want him to become Jeff Mathis part deux.

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

OT. Steelgolf, you still got the spam coming from your account.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 30, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Damnit, again?

I may have to close that damn account. Sorry

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Jan 31, 2012 6:18 AM PST up reply actions  

A .300 OBP with a .240 BA

is not much higher than a Mark Trumbo-esque walk rate.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 30, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, maybe I take that back.

But if VW puts up the numbers I listed above, that would represent a typical walk rate for him back in his Toronto days so it’s not like he’d be reaching levels of plate discipline that he’s never reached before.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be the same as signing a big name free agent....

Oops… sorry. I was channeling my inner TR for a moment….

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree.

My feeling is it isn’t as much his production (HR, RBI, R) that are horrible its his batting average and OBP/ OPS. If he can improve in those areas he will be much better. If he would have just done better in those areas especiallly BA then there would also be a lot less hate for him over last year. I don’t expect near .300 but yea I expect he could heat between .250 and .270.

by MoralesHomers on Jan 30, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

He could probably heat .350-.400 depending on his oven.

He couldn’t hit .250 if you spotted him a 25 game hitting streak.

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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Now this is just plain disliking a guy to dislike him. Cause im sorry but if you don’t think he could hit .250 then I got to wonder. I don’t see .250 (.024 below his career average) as unattainable for him at all. Nor do I see a OBP of .300 which is again about .024 below his career averages. Think it is very logical to think he could hit close to his averages.

by MoralesHomers on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Re-read what sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher posted.

I think you missed the joke.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE...

by halofolife on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw the joke in the first part cause of my typing mistake but responding the the last part.

by MoralesHomers on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Career average be damned, I do think .250 is an optimistic expectation from him now.

I hope he proves me wrong, but his recent trend isn’t promising.

VW last year: .218/.248/.412
VW 2010 outside of Toronto: .224/.299/.400

The only thing he did differently last year that he did the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Mike Scioscia/Mickey Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out.

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.

by snowhor on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm to psyched to dislike!

My comments were meant to be hyperbolic and folksy. Of course he could hit .250. Will he? God I hope so.

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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm kind of torn.

Part of me wants Vernon to regress back to the mean and put up at least a tolerable season because he seems like a genuinely nice guy.

The other part of me wants him to tank right out of the gate and get his ass traded so that Trout can start as soon as possible.

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by Nathan Aderhold on Jan 30, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

this

I’d love for him to be decent long enough for Trout to tear up triple-A. then tank.

by joberooni on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

What if they eat 80% of his contract?

Then someone gets an run-saving outfielder that hits .230 with 20+ HRs for $4M a year. And the Angels free up a spot for Trout for those other $16M a year. But you’re right, Scioscia will play him in the middle of the lineup if he’s hitting some HRs and playing good D.

by Theren86n02 on Jan 30, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So, effectively, you're going to pay Trout $17M a year for 3 years?

Say that out loud a few times and you’ll realize how silly it is.

It is easy for us to spend Arte’s money, but Wells would have to regress on an epic level—worse that Andruw Jones did with the Dodgers, if that gives you any indication—before the Angels eat his contract and move him for $4M a season to some other team.

And that’s even assuming that he would waive his NTC to be traded in the first place.

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by George Kaplan on Jan 30, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Like I said, I agree they'll never trade him

But as you said, they’re saddled with his contract. Realize that that money is basically SPENT. I’m saying, he either plays for the Angels or somebody else while the Angel’s cost remains the same. The only thing they’d ‘effectively’ be paying for is for someone else to take him off their hands.

The question here is, IF he keeps hitting like last year, whom would you have the Angels play in left field for the next three years? The only reason this is will never happen is because it’s a tacit admittance that the trade was an $80M mistake. So they’d instead keep him as a role player if Trout starts tearing it up with the club.

by Theren86n02 on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

After seeing Trout last year

I think he would benefit from at least part of 2012 at SLC. There is some calculation from the front office, too, that gives them an advantage to keeping Trout in AAA to minimize the total number of games he has under his belt at the MLB level (40 thus far) and thus slow down his march towards arbitration eligibility and qualifying for Super Two status.

Viewed that way, Wells is the incumbent LF for at least the first half to two-thirds of 2012. If he absolutely falls off a cliff offensively, then obviously the Angels are going to have to consider making a move. Until then, we should assume Trout gets his first taste of AAA ball once camp breaks in March—that’s right, he has yet to play a single inning of AAA ball in his career.

Come 2013, the only reason to put Wells in LF becomes injury or spelling the starting LF for a day off.

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by George Kaplan on Jan 31, 2012 3:54 AM PST up reply actions  

AAA

Not just for Lucha Libre anymore. I think the Angels would actually benefit quite a bit if they put a few of the up and comers in the Minors to start the season.

Trout just doesn’t have the room to get regular at bats to start the season. An Injury or trade could change that very quickly, but I think the right idea is let him see pitches every day. When an opportunity presents itself at the Major League Level he can be plugged right into Right or Left.

Mark Trumbo is the other man who should probably start the season in AAA. We have a very decent to good third baseman in Alberto Callaspo. Which means… if Morales is healthy, there won’t be many at bats between Kendrys and Bobby Abreu. Besides, do you really want Trumbo learning on the job at the Major League Level. Better to have him develop the defense of skills, whilst it doesn’t affect the major league wins and losses.

Lastly Hank Conger. I know blasphemy, right. But if Conger starts the year in AAA, he’ll see regular at bats. Ianneta so far is on a one year contract. No telling if he’ll be extended. No telling how he’ll interact with the Major League Pitching, no telling if he’s truly a fit. And with Wilson out of options and being Santana’s personal catcher, it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere. If at any point in the season. No reason to let Conger sit on the bench. Let him play ever day in AAA and wait for a call up.

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by Jay Cal on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Wells' contract

I wonder if Wells might be more relaxed in 2012 knowing he doesn’t have the largest contract on the team? It might have been perceived pressure to arrive on the Angels making $23M and feel the need to carry the team. With Pujols now the center of the Angel universe, Wells might blossom into a role player offensively, a 2009 Raul Ibanez to Pujols’ Ryan Howard.

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by George Kaplan on Jan 31, 2012 4:03 AM PST reply actions  

I, like most on this blog, remain cautiously optimistic

I dont know if you can account for all of Wells’ struggles last years by bringing up the mental issues. And if it is true that Wells was struggling because of the mental pressure he felt, I am worried about the 30/.300/100 while batting 2nd prediction he gave. I like Vernon Wells, and I hope he does well. He seems like a nice a guy who doesn’t want fans to think of him as a giant turd, however with that said, I don’t buy all the mental pressure talk.

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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 6:10 AM PST up reply actions  

In terms of optimism...

Kendrys’ successful return vs. Vernon approaching career norms. Which scenario has a better chance of happening?

I’m gonna go with Vernon.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Kendrys

I mean he had a better swing than VW, he is 6 years younger and his numbers were never padded by playing in a ball park with short fences.

That being said. I think its much more likely that VW will hit .250/20/80 is more likely than Morales hitting 300/30/90

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

VerNone will still be highest paid player on field this season...

Just not highest overall contract…

Totally agree with just root for the guy cuz he ain’t going anywhere (unless he succeeds mightily)

by K3YEROUT on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

How can you be more relaxed than:

“too blessed to be stressed?”

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That apparently was a typo on his part

He was so rattled that he kept going out and forgetting to wear pants:

“Too blessed to be dressed”

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by George Kaplan on Jan 31, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

from now on after every failed hook up attempt

I will be too blessed to be caressed

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't shower anymore.

Too blessed to use Zest.

Do they still make Zest?

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 31, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that Mayhem?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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