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Tuesday Halolinks: Angels Are One of "Super Six", Projecting 2012 and Beyond

Projections, previews, production, prospects, and positions edition of Halolinks:

  • As spring training quickly approaches, it's becoming time for many sites to begin publishing their previews and projections. I liked this one mainly because they call the Angels one of the "Super Six" powerhouse teams of the American League; American League's super six teams will be fun to watch this season - FOX Sports on MSN. "ANGELS - Strength: Offensive depth. Weakness: Pitching depth/bullpen. X Factor: Trout." I'm not sure that I agree with what they claim the biggest weakness for the club is. The bullpen may not be as strong as previous years, but the rotation depth is deceiving. Not may teams can claim their #4 starter could actually be the #1 on many teams.
  • And here's the first projection I've read for the final standings: Projecting 2012 - Part 1 - Baseball Nation. "ALW: Angels / Rangers (tie)". This is a link to a link, so you'll have to follow a couple different clicks to get to the original post (a Yankees' blog).
  • Prior to last season, I criticized the 2011 projection for Jered Weaver for not giving the Angel ace enough credit for his 2010 season. In fact, they projected Weaver to have the worst season of his career: Deadly Accurate: AL West : Baseball Daily Digest. "PECOTA projected a fall back to Earth for Jered Weaver after he established full-season career bests in nearly every major category in 2010, including winning the ML strikeout crown. Much of the foretold regression was based on a correction in BABIP, since Weaver’s 2010 mark of .276 was well below the league average. Instead, Weaver’s ERA and WHIP dropped into Halladay territory when his BABIP pulled a Robbie Alomar and spat in the face of PECOTA’s projection, checking in at a microscopic .250." I'm not claiming to be a projection genius (the squirrel in my avatar might be sight-impaired), but sometimes it helps to use a little common sense mixed in with the numbers.

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The squirrel card made me giggle endlessly

Come on Skip, its not like you are important enough to have a real card, besides, its not like you have 17 other editions of different card from different companies.

I would embrace the hell out of the squirrel card.

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 AM PST reply actions  

I think it's absolutely appropriate.

I mean, “Schu” is part of his name.

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Chris will not be our catcher in 2015

king Conger will be

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Wow

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The AL West didn't produce us technically

The Wild card did

"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"

by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Technically

you don’t make any sense.

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

How not?

We entered the playoffs through the Wild Card. We didn’t win the West. I’m presuming this article is referring to the last World Series winner that entered the playoffs via the AL West. It makes perfect sense.

"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"

by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Correct.

In the sense of the article, however, the team would have had to have been the A’s for winning the series for the West Division to have produced a winner. This is only the way I am perceiving the article however. The play of berth awarded to the AL West did not produce a Winner.

"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"

by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Behold

A logic circle.

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Feb 1, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously Halos2011champs was a member of Tautology Club

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Feb 1, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't allowed to join that club...

"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"

by Halos2011champs on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I had to google "Brooks Pujols" lol

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I had never thought of Kendrick in right field before

I guess they are assuming he adds a little power and loses a little quickness, both of which are likely but I still don’t see him in right.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

I see Trumbo in RF before Howie

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

That’s why I want the Angels to hold onto him and stomach this logjam for a year.

by moralesforpresident on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And Howie at third before Trumbo

" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon

by pendletonmike on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been wondering why that hasn't been thrown around yet.

Howie doesn’t have a great arm, but it’s good enough. If we keep Aybar (and I hope we do), I think either Howie or Segura is going to start playing 3B.

by moralesforpresident on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

HK did not look comfy out there last year....

not saying he couldn’t figure it out but…for now, the idea is scary.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I like how Alden Gonzalez, in regards to the 3B question, "Such a simple question, yet so complicated."

No. It’s really not. Alberto Callaspo and Mark Trumbo will play 3B. One will probably play a lot more than the other. So complicated.

"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"

by Mayheminthehood on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Not bloody likely

said in my worst British accent.

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Correction

2015…So Jerry DiPoto basically sits on his Pujols’ ass for the next 3 years….

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

reply-fail

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

hyphen fail

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont understand the "problem" with our rotation

4 aces, 1 guy who is a former top prospect who looks like he figured it out and a journeyman type guy and a top prospect. That doesn’t sounds like a weakness at all.
As for the bullpens problems, hawkins instead of fraudney, and a back end of walden and downs doesnt sound bad at all

by Balls and Strikes on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I think it was considered

a possible problem because if anyone gets hurt – and someone usually does – then we are not deep with replacements.

by LanaBanana on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

But say 2 go down at the same time-

2 aces, williams, richards and bell or some other breakout pitcher/journeyman isn’t too bad.

by Balls and Strikes on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

Can this guy tell us who the Phillies had waiting in the wings last season? What teams actually have 5 excellent starting pitchers with 2 more on call in case of injury? That’s just dumb.

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He might as well have said our biggest concern is lack of depth

in the clubhouse buffet

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Our biggest weakness is the marine layer.

And the inability to hit unknown pitchers. I think that’s one quirk that isn’t going anywhere.

by Halowitz on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Angels, making star pitchers in our dugout....

AND YOURS!…..

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe we could get Jaramillo instead of Hatcher?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 31, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

truth in that statement,

what is it that makes us suck so bad against newbies?

by Balls and Strikes on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder

If contract negotiations have ever broken down with a major free agent because of free season tickets or a hotel suite during road trips.

by Suboptimal on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I wish it did back when Toronto extended Vernon Wells.

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.

by snowhor on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

At least we never need to worry about this clause in his contract:
award bonuses: $0.25M for MVP, $0.2M for WS MVP, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $0.1M for most All-Star votes in league

by Suboptimal on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldnt mind worrying about those clauses

If Vernon Wells batted .345 with 5 HRs in a world Series I would chip in 1k of the 250 needed myself damnit….

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Boss-Man is going to be on AM830 today (4:15PM PST?)

How many times will he utter the phrase “One game at a time?”

God needed a starter. RIP #34

by 3rd Echelon on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Your confusion is understood.

The East Coast cartels “urge” everyone to consider EST.

God needed a starter. RIP #34

by 3rd Echelon on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to a rival radio program.

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.

by snowhor on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1-ed

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Jan 31, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks for the shout-out!

…including this great question: "How different is playing third base from playing first base, aside from the obvious part about catching rather than throwing the ball? What sort of things does Trumbo have to work on in order to try to make that transition? — Zach V, Fort Collins, Col.

by river-z on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

In response to the 10 gluttonous contracts

8 of the 10 teams on that list have been in the playoffs at least once in the last few seasons. Only the Cubs and Nationals have spent a bunch without even making the playoffs. And I think the Nationals are close. Point is, teams that are willing to pay the going rate for top talent will do so. They can’t predict whether the player will flop or not. They know it’s a gamble, but they know you have to gamble to win big. Also, some of those contracts are still too fresh to even call “bad.” Fielder and Pujols have yet to even play for their new teams. And who’s to say Werth, Crawford, or Wells won’t bounce back in big ways next?

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

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