Tuesday Halolinks: Angels Are One of "Super Six", Projecting 2012 and Beyond
Projections, previews, production, prospects, and positions edition of Halolinks:
- As spring training quickly approaches, it's becoming time for many sites to begin publishing their previews and projections. I liked this one mainly because they call the Angels one of the "Super Six" powerhouse teams of the American League; American League's super six teams will be fun to watch this season - FOX Sports on MSN. "ANGELS - Strength: Offensive depth. Weakness: Pitching depth/bullpen. X Factor: Trout." I'm not sure that I agree with what they claim the biggest weakness for the club is. The bullpen may not be as strong as previous years, but the rotation depth is deceiving. Not may teams can claim their #4 starter could actually be the #1 on many teams.
- And here's the first projection I've read for the final standings: Projecting 2012 - Part 1 - Baseball Nation. "ALW: Angels / Rangers (tie)". This is a link to a link, so you'll have to follow a couple different clicks to get to the original post (a Yankees' blog).
- Prior to last season, I criticized the 2011 projection for Jered Weaver for not giving the Angel ace enough credit for his 2010 season. In fact, they projected Weaver to have the worst season of his career: Deadly Accurate: AL West : Baseball Daily Digest. "PECOTA projected a fall back to Earth for Jered Weaver after he established full-season career bests in nearly every major category in 2010, including winning the ML strikeout crown. Much of the foretold regression was based on a correction in BABIP, since Weaver’s 2010 mark of .276 was well below the league average. Instead, Weaver’s ERA and WHIP dropped into Halladay territory when his BABIP pulled a Robbie Alomar and spat in the face of PECOTA’s projection, checking in at a microscopic .250." I'm not claiming to be a projection genius (the squirrel in my avatar might be sight-impaired), but sometimes it helps to use a little common sense mixed in with the numbers.
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- Sorry, but this has got to be the dumbest idea ever: Solving a Long Term Problem - baseballmusings.com. "Note that Albert Pujols isn’t just a great first baseman, he has amazing range for a first baseman. When I ran the Probabilistic Model of Range, Pujols would come out head and shoulders among his peers at first. He was so good, I wondered if the Cardinals gave up on him as a third baseman too soon.Should the Angels try to maximize their offense, and put Albert at third? I’d love to see them give it a try." Let's put the guy with a gimpy elbow, who we invested a quarter of a billion dollars on, at a position he has hardly played. Yeah, that'll work.
- Okay, so if Brooks Pujols isn't an option, who is? Angels Inbox: Who will play third base? - angels.com. Replacement Lyle answers fans' questions (and of course there's the obligatory David Wright question) about the upcoming season, including this great question: "How different is playing third base from playing first base, aside from the obvious part about catching rather than throwing the ball? What sort of things does Trumbo have to work on in order to try to make that transition? -- Zach V, Fort Collins, Col."
- How do things look heading into the future? Baseball America trys to show us: Prospects: Rankings: 2012 Los Angeles Angels Top 10 - BaseballAmerica.com.
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP:
Catcher - Chris Iannetta
First Base - Albert Pujols
Second Base - Jean Segura
Third Base - Kaleb Cowart
Shortstop - Erick Aybar
Left Field - Mike Trout
Center Field Peter Bourjos
Right Field - Howard Kendrick
Designated Hitter - C.J. Cron
No. 1 Starter - Jered Weaver
No. 2 Starter - Dan Haren
No. 3 Starter - C.J. Wilson
No. 4 Starter - Ervin Santana
No. 5 Starter - Garrett Richards
Closer - Jordan Walden - Hi Mark, welcome to the conversation: What about Mike Trout? - ESPN Los Angeles. "Shortly after the Angels signed Albert Pujols, the focus began to turn to the logjam that move created. Mark Trumbo and Kendrys Morales lost their positions and Bobby Abreu may have lost a job. But the most intriguing player lost in the shuffle, at least for now, is the team’s top prospect, Mike Trout." Mark Saxon does point out an interesting stat from last season in this post: Question No. 3: Can they maximize Albert Pujols' impact? "Angels leadoff men last year, mostly Maicer Izturis and Erick Aybar, scored 79 runs, worst in the American League."
- Guess which contract ISN'T number one: Princely Gluttony: The 10 Worst Contracts in Baseball - Huffington Post. I'm pretty tired of these articles, but I had to link to this one mainly for the use of the words "gluttony" and "gluttonous underbelly". "With baseball's gluttonous underbelly fresh in our minds, it's time to survey the excess. Here are the 10 worst contracts in the game, with remaining years and value noted." It's not very often I get to link to one of the seven deadly sins other than lust, vanity, pride, or envy. (H/T: Ranking MLB's Worst Contracts - Baseball Nation)
- Some of the other stuff Pujols and Fielder get besides piles of cash: Pujols vs. Prince, & other contract details - Gonzo and 'The Show. Pujols gets "4 mutually-agreed-upon seats for all home games (may purchase same seats at end of contract); use of suite for 10 home games per year for Pujols Family Foundation; may purchase suite for all home games; will donate $100K per year to club charity; gets a suite on the road." When your making more than a few million dollars a year, isn't four season ticket packages somewhat "ashtray" money? And does the suite include the continental breakfast?
- An interesting quote from one of the scrappiest players in baseball history: Eckstein weighs in on Pujols - IlliniHQ.com. "Were you surprised to see Albert Pujols leave St. Louis? To be honest, no. If you read what his wife said, I kind of was in the same situation when I was there in my final year there. The one thing is if the Cardinals want somebody, they get him. At the end of the day, I think if any of that is true, he would be a Cardinal."
- Major League Baseball announces game times for 2012 regular season - MLB.com. "Friday's coverage includes the San Francisco Giants at Arizona Diamondbacks at 4:10 p.m. MST/PT, followed by the Kansas City Royals visiting the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim at 7:05 p.m. PT in the Angels debut of nine-time All-Star Albert Pujols."
- An Angel catcher made the list! The new golden age of catching - The Hardball Times. "Last season 11 players totaled more than 3 fWAR; not one was by benefit of an above-average defensive value. This new group included Mike Napoli in a breakout season, Alex Avila, Matt Wieters, Yadier Molina, Carlos Santana, Nick Hundley, Chris Iannetta and Wilson Ramos."
- Kind of funny: Fernon’s Anaheim landlord - Bugs & Cranks. "Dear Abner, I currently find myself in a rather awkward situation and was hoping you could give me a few words of advice. I run an apartment complex in Anaheim with nine studio units for rent...."
- Rich guys and their hobbies: CJ Wilson relishes role as race car team owner - FOX Sports on MSN. "Wilson’s two Mazda MX-5s fared respectively — 15th and 33rd place in the 41-car ST class — in their season debut Friday afternoon: a Continental Tires Series race or sort of Triple-A series compared with the weekend’s marquee 24-hour event." I once raced RC cars...until it got too expensive.
- This is good news since I had already started making my "Astros Suck" signs to take to the stadium next year: Houston Astros Owner: No Team Name Change - MLB Daily Dish. "One thing that we are not going to change is the name. We received strong feedback and consensus among season ticket holders and many fans, and we will not change the name Astros. The Houston Astros are here to stay."
- Ready to drop into your Kindle or Nook: John McGraw & Christy Mathewson: Out-of-Copyright Authors - Baseball Prospectus | Wezen-Ball. "Currently, there are at least five different baseball books available free on Google Books written by early-20th century baseball stars, including legendary Hall of Famers John McGraw and Christy Mathewson."
- There are players everyone knows of, there are players most fans have heard of, and there are the guys just the hometown fans follow. I've sort of heard of Skip Schumaker, but now that I've read this post, I wish I hadn't: Schumaker calls squirrel card 'ridiculous' - Fox Sports. ""It's pretty ridiculous," Schumaker told FOXSportsMidwest.com. "I have a shoe on my baseball card. And a squirrel. It's pretty ridiculous." Seriously? You have nothing better to whine about than your frickin's baseball card?? Here is the limited run card:

via www.foxsportsmidwest.com - This is classic Uecker: The funniest moment, courtesy of Uecker - JSOnline
When the microphone was being passed among the crowd, a young boy raised his hand to ask a question. "What's your name?" asked Uecker. "Tyler," said the young boy. "Poor kid," said Uecker, taking a shot at Brewers vice president Tyler Barnes, standing just off-stage. But the young boy didn't know it was a joke and started crying, burying his head into his mom's shoulder. (H/T: baseballmusings.com)
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The squirrel card made me giggle endlessly
Come on Skip, its not like you are important enough to have a real card, besides, its not like you have 17 other editions of different card from different companies.
I would embrace the hell out of the squirrel card.
"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "
I couldn't really get a feeling for what Skip thought of the card.
Was it ridiculous?
Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle
I think it's absolutely appropriate.
I mean, “Schu” is part of his name.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris will not be our catcher in 2015
king Conger will be
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
I am somewhat unimpressed by Baseball Digest
since I caught this at the top of their article (Bolding mine):
Our review of Baseball Prospectus’ 2011 PECOTA projections continues with the hits and misses of the American League West, a division that has not produced a World Series champion since the now-estranged AL Westerner Minnesota Twins took the title 20 years ago. That run may come to an end soon, as the Angels now appear to be an elite AL team with the additions of Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, and the Rangers remain strong coming off back-to-back World Series appearances.
Really? I could have sworn someone else won the title. It seems like there was this Barry Bonds guy involved. I dunno though, my memory is fuzzy.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
The AL West didn't produce us technically
The Wild card did
"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"
by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Technically
you don’t make any sense.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
How not?
We entered the playoffs through the Wild Card. We didn’t win the West. I’m presuming this article is referring to the last World Series winner that entered the playoffs via the AL West. It makes perfect sense.
"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"
by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Correct.
In the sense of the article, however, the team would have had to have been the A’s for winning the series for the West Division to have produced a winner. This is only the way I am perceiving the article however. The play of berth awarded to the AL West did not produce a Winner.
"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"
by Halos2011champs on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously Halos2011champs was a member of Tautology Club

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I wasn't allowed to join that club...
"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"
by Halos2011champs on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I had to google "Brooks Pujols" lol
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I had never thought of Kendrick in right field before
I guess they are assuming he adds a little power and loses a little quickness, both of which are likely but I still don’t see him in right.
I see Trumbo in RF before Howie
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
That’s why I want the Angels to hold onto him and stomach this logjam for a year.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And Howie at third before Trumbo
" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon
by pendletonmike on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I've been wondering why that hasn't been thrown around yet.
Howie doesn’t have a great arm, but it’s good enough. If we keep Aybar (and I hope we do), I think either Howie or Segura is going to start playing 3B.
by moralesforpresident on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
HK did not look comfy out there last year....
not saying he couldn’t figure it out but…for now, the idea is scary.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I like how Alden Gonzalez, in regards to the 3B question, "Such a simple question, yet so complicated."
No. It’s really not. Alberto Callaspo and Mark Trumbo will play 3B. One will probably play a lot more than the other. So complicated.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM PST reply actions
2015...So Jerry DiPoto basically sits on his ass for the next 3 years....
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions
Not bloody likely
said in my worst British accent.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Correction
2015…So Jerry DiPoto basically sits on his Pujols’ ass for the next 3 years….
Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle
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"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I dont understand the "problem" with our rotation
4 aces, 1 guy who is a former top prospect who looks like he figured it out and a journeyman type guy and a top prospect. That doesn’t sounds like a weakness at all.
As for the bullpens problems, hawkins instead of fraudney, and a back end of walden and downs doesnt sound bad at all
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think it was considered
a possible problem because if anyone gets hurt – and someone usually does – then we are not deep with replacements.
But say 2 go down at the same time-
2 aces, williams, richards and bell or some other breakout pitcher/journeyman isn’t too bad.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Can this guy tell us who the Phillies had waiting in the wings last season? What teams actually have 5 excellent starting pitchers with 2 more on call in case of injury? That’s just dumb.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
He might as well have said our biggest concern is lack of depth
in the clubhouse buffet
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Our biggest weakness is the marine layer.
And the inability to hit unknown pitchers. I think that’s one quirk that isn’t going anywhere.
by Halowitz on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Angels, making star pitchers in our dugout....
AND YOURS!…..
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we could get Jaramillo instead of Hatcher?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
truth in that statement,
what is it that makes us suck so bad against newbies?
by Balls and Strikes on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
"Replacement Lyle"
Love it.
Jeff Mathis (Pseudonym Lyle Spencer) is History... Zang!
by Halo Hurricane on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I wonder
If contract negotiations have ever broken down with a major free agent because of free season tickets or a hotel suite during road trips.
by Suboptimal on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wish it did back when Toronto extended Vernon Wells.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
At least we never need to worry about this clause in his contract:
award bonuses: $0.25M for MVP, $0.2M for WS MVP, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $0.1M for most All-Star votes in league
by Suboptimal on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt mind worrying about those clauses
If Vernon Wells batted .345 with 5 HRs in a world Series I would chip in 1k of the 250 needed myself damnit….
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He must not know that clause is in his contract.
If he knew he was leaving $750,000 on the table, his blessed to stressed ratio might go out of whack.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
by snowhor on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Boss-Man is going to be on AM830 today (4:15PM PST?)
How many times will he utter the phrase “One game at a time?”

God needed a starter. RIP #34
Damn. He's counter programming against Lunchtime Halo Talk. Shrewd.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Nevermind. Thought the 4:15 was EasternST.
"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"
by Mayheminthehood on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Your confusion is understood.
The East Coast cartels “urge” everyone to consider EST.
God needed a starter. RIP #34
by 3rd Echelon on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
The British are still trying to get the whole world on Greenwich Mean Time
Even the US military is in on it.
Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to a rival radio program.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
by snowhor on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How long is he on the air?
Over/under? 5.5?
by Halowitz on Jan 31, 2012 3:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the shout-out!
…including this great question: "How different is playing third base from playing first base, aside from the obvious part about catching rather than throwing the ball? What sort of things does Trumbo have to work on in order to try to make that transition? — Zach V, Fort Collins, Col.
Are you saying you are Zach V?
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I thought HHers weren't allowed on the main site!
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Feb 1, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
In response to the 10 gluttonous contracts
8 of the 10 teams on that list have been in the playoffs at least once in the last few seasons. Only the Cubs and Nationals have spent a bunch without even making the playoffs. And I think the Nationals are close. Point is, teams that are willing to pay the going rate for top talent will do so. They can’t predict whether the player will flop or not. They know it’s a gamble, but they know you have to gamble to win big. Also, some of those contracts are still too fresh to even call “bad.” Fielder and Pujols have yet to even play for their new teams. And who’s to say Werth, Crawford, or Wells won’t bounce back in big ways next?
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

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