Kendrick and Angels agree to contract extension.
4 year deal. Pending a physical, says Ken Rosenthal. No contract details yet.
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Welcome aboard, Howie.
The right side of the IF is set for at least the next 4 years now.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
Don't want this off-season to eennnnnd
actually I do….play ball!
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
I just caved last night...
Bought the mlb.tv offseason package. Right now, I’m scouting Iannetta, Albert, LaTroy, and to a lesser extent, CJ.
Did you know this Pujols guy is pretty good?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
That's what the rumors say.
I’m not convinced by the hype yet.
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
What's included in the offseason package?
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Jan 8, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
is he related to Granderson?
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
I wonder what it would take to get him?
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 8, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
If you get the Apple TV you can watch mlb.tv on your TV. Its pretty sweet
Be a Angel Fan till I die... The only good team to come out of Texas is my Dallas Cowboys Baby
Too young.
He’s younger than me now, and will be younger than me when the contract expires.
by eyespy on Jan 8, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome!
love this.
now I can keep my name for 4 more years!
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Rub it in, why doncha?
:(
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 7, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Jan 7, 2012 6:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yuo!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Jan 7, 2012 6:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
CALIFORNIA!
Out on bail fresh outta jail, California dreamin
Soon as I stepped on the scene, I’m hearin hoochies screamin
Fiendin for money and alcohol
the life of a west side playa where cowards die and its all ball
Only in Cali where we riot not rally to live and die
In L.A. we wearin Chucks not Ballies (that’s right)
Dressed in Locs and khaki suits and ride is what we do
Flossin but have caution we collide with other crews
Famous cause we program worldwide
Let’em recognize from Long Beach to Rosecrans
Bumpin and grindin like a slow jam, it’s west side
So you know the row won’t bow down to no man
Say what you say
But give me that bomb beat from Dre
Let me serenade the streets of L.A.
From Oakland to Sacktown
The Bay Area and back down
Cali is where they put they mack down
Give me love!
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 7, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
classic
now i want me some Locs and khaki suits
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Jan 7, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Tupac would be an Angels fan if he was alive
LA Angels 2012 Champions!
Throw it up! Throw it up!!!!
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Contract predictions?
I’m going with 4/37
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Probably about their
Think it could be up to 40 though. The last couple mill could be incentives that could be reached idk.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Predictions
I think he’d be dumb to take what amounts to a 3/$32M on his first three free agent years. Let’s say his last year of arbitration (2012) is $5.5M. Then for the next three years let’s predict a WAR of something like 4.0, 3.8 and 3.5. That is worth around $55M on the open market for those three years and around $60.5M for the next four years. The Angels get a discount for the security but it is only one year out from his free agent year. If the Angels get Howie locked up for anywhere around 4/$37 it will be a steal unless you are valuing Kendrick at an average of around 2.3 WAR for the last three years of the deal.
Good points
It’s just that I heard that Howie was looking for 5/50
Which would leave him at 4/45 for his FA years, which would still be a discount according to your numbers.
I think they compromised from there, however.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Gotcha
If he said he was looking for 5/50 then yeah 4/45 would sound right. Seems like he is giving the Angels a good deal or worried he might regress heavily in his contract year.
I say he just wants to stay here
Anaheim suddenly seems like a very appealing place to go.
I think signing Albert Pujols had something to do with that, though I could be wrong. Maybe it’s because of LT Hawkins, I hear that guy is the truth.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
It's all about Cantu man.
Once we signed Cantu, HK knew we were serious about winning.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
And there is that.
No Lyle or Premium. If we did nothing else this off season, that was enough for me.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Could we add Gubi to that list?
Please?
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Weaver's extension.
Seems like everything started falling into place after that.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 8, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
4 years / $34m
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Howie is the type of solid player good teams need
He’s solid in all phases of the game. I’ll admit to not being in his camp a few years back, but other than in clutch situations, he’s won me over.
by JeffJoiner on Jan 7, 2012 6:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Awesome....
Going back to the Weaver signing, its been a great time for halo fans. Brides maids no more!!!!
by aybars chew on Jan 7, 2012 6:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Forget that
You ever been to a wedding?! The bridesmaids get more play than the bride because they’re not off limits! Unless it’s a really kinky wedding…..
This is phenomenal
He’ll love hitting fastballs in front of Albert for at least four years. Batting title, commence …
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
^this^
With a future of Mike Trout getting on base ahead of him and El Hombre hitting behind him, I can see Howie being able to do some real damage in the 2-hole.
It actually is staggering to think of the potential production
But even with Fleet Pete ahead of him, before the splashdown of Trout, I can see Howie working wonders out of that 2 hole. With Trout imagine how good our first four look.
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
by highlandhalo on Jan 8, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
*guess not official*
RIP Nick Adenhart
by miketrout on Jan 7, 2012 6:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Best news I've heard all year...
…and yet, gravy on my offseason potatoes. What a wonderful Christmas this has been .
4/37
My guess is $5.5M in 2012, $7.5M in 2013, $10.5M in 2014, and $13.5M in 2015.
GORGEOUS BOURJOS! *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
by Of Maicer and Men on Jan 7, 2012 6:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Another great move, Dipoto!
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Good idea to get this out of the way now
Except for Segura, there’s not much middle infield depth in the upper levels (and even Segura hasn’t played above A+). Next winter was going to be interesting if both Aybar and Kendrick were leaving town.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Amarista?
In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden
by matthiasstephan on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 AM PST up reply actions
You mean Amezaga?
Same guys. I like Alexi, but he’s a super-sub, not a regular.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 3:30 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I was talking about depth.
I don’t see Segura being much better than Amarista. Just a year younger, and not hitting better, for the level, necessarily. Whether Amarista develops into a decent 2B at the MLB level is anyone’s guess, but as depth for Howie (not gratefully signed for a while) I think he does just fine :).
I do like Segura better than Romine though ….
In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden
by matthiasstephan on Jan 8, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
As far as depth is concerned, you make a fair point
But the scouts really like Segura. Kevin Goldstein had him as a 5-star prospect after 2010, along with you-know-who. Injuries cut short his 2011, but he seemed to be fine in the AFL. Again, though, he hasn’t played a lick above A+.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I love it
Pujols, Wilson, Kendrys improving, Howie extended hell we even landed LaTroy Hawkins……. now lets lock up Aybar aye?
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
You forgot about Ianetta replacing that other guy.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Instead of WAR, we'll call it WAM.
Wins Above Mathis
by moralesforpresident on Jan 8, 2012 1:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It will look like some really inflated number
Can I have $Z2,000,000
by eyespy on Jan 8, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a few of these, bought them on ebay
Arsenal FC ~ Middlesex CCC ~ Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
by UK Halo on Jan 8, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
will that buy a cup of coffee?
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
My bad
Should have asked about tea
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
You could get one customized
JEDI
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by Halowitz on Jan 7, 2012 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is good news
Seeing a bunch of fastballs batting in front of Pujols, maybe he really might get that batting title he’s supposed to have been getting all along. Or four.
Wow
this is like the best offseason EVER. Signing Howie for his first 3 years of FA makes this better than the Vlad/Colon/Escobar/Guillen offseason.
I love me some Howie and I say put him in front of Pujols. The guy in front of Pujols should see a lot of strikes and Howie is a strike hitting machine.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
honestly, i was already in "best off season ever" mode after jerry dumped mathis for a living human being.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 7, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
very true
I was only thinking of additions. Jerry did pull off the biggest subtraction of a negative number ever so yea I concur.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
To be honest, I wasn't even that picky. I would have taken a corpse. Or a zombie.
Either one would have hit better than Mathis.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Good news.
I was a little worried that the middle of the infield might have been gone after 2012.
Thanks, Jerry, You’ve been awesome.
Jeff Mathis 2005-2011. Never forget.
Knightengale
is saying the deal is worth 33.5 Mill
If so, what a STEAL.
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nice
a fantastic deal for a solid defensive middle infielder who posted a 120wRC+
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jan 7, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what wRC+ is
But…YEAH!
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by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Its likely the most telling offensive statistic available
it adjusts for parks and leagues and weights OBP more heavily than OPS which is why I like it better than OPS+. Like with OPS+ 100 is league average.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jan 7, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for explaining
Sounds even more awesome now.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
also: it compares the hitter to the rest of the league
from fangraphs:
Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) measures how a player’s wRC compares with league average. League average is 100 and every point above 100 is a percentage point above league average. For example, a 125 wRC+ means a player created 25% more runs than league average.
yup, so Howie created 20% more runs than the average player
as a second baseman!!! And I think characterizing his defense as solid like I did above is selling him short. Speaking of short, the New England midge and HK led second basemen in almost every defensive category.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jan 7, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
cue the Matt Welch projection post
solid extension. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with anyone in our farm replacing him(Segura hasn’t made it past A+ and seems injury prone) so I think JeDi did well.
go long with extenze...i do
Bob Nightengale is claiming the deal is $33.5 Million
LA Angels 2012 Champions!
Why does his agent have to be horrible?
Is Jered Weaver’s agent horrible SOLELY because of his contract extension size?
(Boras jokes aside, plz).
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 7, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Horribe may not be the right word but 4/33 or an average of 8.2 ish a year is cheap when buying his contract years and when you take his defensive and offensive factors in such as WAR and such. They are getting him for a huge bargain when you also take into account buying his first 3 years of free agency.
Now what they likely did though was take a look at other 2nd baseman particularly Utley whose last contract was 7/85 (12.1 per year) and Phillips last one at 5/38 (7.6) and figured Phillips is a good comparable. His WAR was also comparable though a little bit better so he should be somewhere between those two numbers though imo your buying his prime years also so it likely should be closer to the Utley contract or around 10 million. His contract as it is said to be would be only 6.6 or 1.6 more than his projected price would have been for if he went though arbitration this year. So he is probably giving up potentially around 12-16 million over 4 years.
Love the contract for the Angels I just think maybe the Agent didn’t to a great job in this case cause he is making less than his closest comparable and at a younger age going into his prime and free agency.
(Sorry for repetitiveness)
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
He probably left
around $10M on the table buy not going in to free agency. More if he repeated last years numbers, slightly less if he did not.
If he was to even continue his numbers from last year he would be right around where Phillips was for a single year when he got himself a 7.6 annual contract. But then you take into a WAR slightly higher, defense (not sure if he is rated higher), him going into his prime, and free agency and its at least 10 mill but I think more as I stated. Just think the Agent could have easily dona a bit better.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Phillips
hosed himself too. He has racked up 17.0 fWAR over the first four years of that deal, which would value that output at $73.9M. So the Reds have already netted themselves right around $36M of extra value from the deal. If Howie’s agent allowed that to be the comp from which to work with he should be fired.
I only see 9.7 WAR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/phillbr01.shtml
For comparison Kendrick though his contract wasn’t 4 years over that same span has a WAR of 10.9
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kendrho01.shtml
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Phillips
Fangraphs page. UZR has him highly rated on defense and the Fans Scouting Report has him as the top ranked defensive 2B in all of baseball so I will believe their rating of him.
Free agent signed: 08-12, 5 Year $38M
2008: fWAR 3.3, Value $14.7M
2009: fWAR 3.3, Value $14.8M
2010: fWAR 4.4, Value $17.5M
2011: fWAR 6.0, Value $26.9M
4 Year Total. fWAR 17.0, Value $73.9M
Still one year left on deal. Can he reach $100M in value over that period?
Whats fWAR? The financial Impact of WAR?
Thats interesting that their is such a big difference between the two sites WAR numbers.
But useing fangraphs I looked at Kendricks over last 4 years and he is 12 value 52.7M.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4229&position=2B
So I guess at the end we can say both are worth a lot more potentially. Phillips would have to have a career year in WAR which doesn’t mean a career year in production to reach a value of 100M over that period. would have to have greater than 6 WAR.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 8, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
fWAR = Fangraphs WAR
you are not using WAR either, you are using bWAR or Baseball-reference WAR. No way is Phillips a minus defender at 2B. He is elite.
There's a pretty good case against Kendrick, too
he has a long history of injuries, has played more than 140 games ONCE in his career. Before 2011, he was worth an average of 2.2 WAR per season from ‘07 to ’11, which on the F.A. market is about 10.3 million a year. Considering one of these 4 years he signed for was an arbitration year worth about 5-5.5 million, that number isn’t THAT far off from what he’s going to get paid per season on this contract’s average annual value.
Teams shouldn’t HAVE to pay players according to their best seasons without a longer history of success. That’s what the Angels did with GMJ, and we know how that turned out.
And obviously I’m not trying to compare GMJ to Kendrick. But when in contract negotiations, the player doesn’t get a TON of leverage just because he finally had one season of significant value in 5 1/2, regardless of how optimistic ALL parties are that he will end up repeating similar value for the next few years. So the number left on the table is certainly debatable…and certainly not necessarily lower than we expected because of the failures of his agent.
And if you factor in that he very possibly took some sort of discount for a team that suddenly looks very strong, the numbers actually seem to make sense.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 8, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
His agent does his bidding
Think back to the number of nagging injuries and the days on the DL for Kendrick over the years.
Now imagine that he twists something or breaks something and misses enough time in 2012 to drop his price as a free agent at the end of next season.
Players—smart ones, anyway—always assume it could all end tomorrow due to injury of some kind. Therefore, the offer on the table, assuming that it is within reasonable comps and is guaranteed money, will often be taken in lieu of testing the free agent market later.
Kendrick—and his agent—both did the smart thing.
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by George Kaplan on Jan 8, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I agree - Howie is going to be a rich man anyway
Which makes Jody Reed look more and more stupid.
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by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I had forgotten about Jody Reed
He pretty much wound up begging for a job after turning down the deal.
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" ~Groucho Marx
by George Kaplan on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Reed offer was pulled because of the Delino trade
so he hesitated in accepting the Dodgers offer, but after the hesitation never had a chance to accept again.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 8, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think JAngel has it right
According to this contemporaneous story from the LA Times, Reed never says the offer was pulled from the table due to the DeShields trade. That certainly would have been the opportunity to set the record straight.
Instead, he is defending a strategy of waiting for other, larger offers to come rolling in.
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by George Kaplan on Jan 9, 2012 4:46 AM PST up reply actions
Either way
Glad he did, since it ended up costing the Dodgers Pedro Martinez. LOL.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 9, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
There's another one I forgot about
I was actually at a Palmdale football game condemning this fiasco (a couple of years after the fact) when Harrington’s father, who was sitting behind me, interrupted and tried to correct me. Basically, everybody in the Padres and Rockies organizations were liars, and he took no responsibility for his own actions. Sad story.
And Matt should have taken the money. Period.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
We got a deal with Howie...
Most likely it will be 2012= $5 mil, 2013= $8mil, 2014 = $9 mil, and 2015= $10 mil with a $1.5 mil signing bonus
LA Angels 2012 Champions!
Wow, that's a pretty cheap price
DiPo is having himself an offseason. Now TRADE VERNON WELLS.
by mattwelch on Jan 7, 2012 7:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If DiPoto Can lock up Howie for that
He’s gotta be able to trade VW, I have completely changed my mind in 5 hours
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
...
for Ben Zobrist
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jan 7, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
god runs a pretty good smear campaign
remember what happened to lucifer when he tried?
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow, howie extended AND we sign cantu...
that’s almost as good as signing wilson and whats-his-face
by thejd on Jan 7, 2012 8:04 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
We add one pornstache
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
Maybe the logic on Howie's side of the deal is this....
If he was going to get around 5 million this year in arb then that means the rest of the deal is essentially 3 years at around 9 1/2 million per year. That sounds pretty good for a guy that in the past has struggled to stay healthy and now he is assured of a big payday regardless of how he does next year. I’m thinking it was a case of a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush for Howie. Yea he left some money on the table if he goes out and repeats what he did last year or even improves on it. But now he’s set for life and his kids and their kids are set for life if they spend this money wisely.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
Deal values him
at an average WAR of 2.26 over those last three years. Even giving the team a discount, he sold himself short.
I agree
Especially when on top of all the areas he could look at to show he is worth more their is the fact that that is a position where top guys are hard to come by especially on offense and defense and he is in the top 4 probably for sure.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Does he really want to move to another team at this point, the Nationals or some such? No way.
by Rock Island Line on Jan 8, 2012 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
I have no doubt that Howie didn't want to start over somewhere else.
Also, I agree with MH252525.
If the Angels were playing hard ball, Amarista and Segura were more than casually mentioned.
Howie’s been around long enough to know that four years is the new norm with the Angels. Also, who, as a baseball player, wouldn’t give his left nut to bat in front of Pujols for the next four years. If all goes well, Howie won’t be too old or too expensive to garner another Angels contract in four years.
Stumbled across this site...
Has anyone seen this?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Jan 7, 2012 8:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are we all supposed to bow down and Tebow after that?
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
Like this?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
This Weekend In Tebow?
ESPN isn’t even trying anymore.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I know. Thank god.
No pun intended.
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by halofolife on Jan 7, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IT NEVER ENDS!!!
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Bet Brandon Phillips is happy about this deal.
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 8:27 PM PST reply actions
I don’t see why he would be happy actually so please explain.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
He is the only viable 2B on the Free Agent market next season
Thus making him in higher demand and more expensive
CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!
Wow
I swear to you I typed your exact sentence before I decided to change “viable” to solid.
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said below that is true but it would helm make his contract bigger if Howie had got more what market value is for him or closer to what we had been discussing as a contract pricetag. But yes being the only above average (and good) 2nd baseman on the market in itself will boost his asking price a lot.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
He would be the only solid second baseman to hit free agency next year.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
In that sense ok but id argue that the contract itself doesn’t make him happy or unhappy it would be better for him if Kendrick would have gotten soething around what we were expecting of 4 years and 45million or 5 and around 52million
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
but he’ll be in higher demand to other teams. I’m sure the Reds will want to sign him for Howie’s numbers (that is if they want to re sign him)
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Think his asking price may be a little higher though.
But if I remember right and I may not I know they had contract talks last year that didn’t seem to be going so well so should be interesting to see if he stays. My guess he would want another 5 year deal around 55 million. His previous when I actually went and looked (thought it was 4 years) was 5 years and 38 million or about 7.6 million a year. so a contract of around 11 would make sense though not sure if team pays it with talent at SS behind him.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Aybar's turn
"Ballplayers play baseball. Hrrmmmff." -Jose Mota
I approve.
Howie’s always been a favorite of mine and even though he didn’t become the super-star we hoped he would be, he’s a key part of this team.
~Till the Halo burns out...
I wonder what that movie is about
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's about some people who bought a car.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
On second thought, it's about the bidding for the Doyers.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Have a rec
That made me laugh.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
yessss!
I was hoping for this. Such a great move. Howie is atleast a top 5 second baseman in baseball. This is a great step forward for the angels.
I smell a batting title lol
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Jan 7, 2012 9:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Given he was making less than Howie couldn't see money or years being more.
You are probably right to think 4/27.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Groooooovy!
Dig It!
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
Damn that was fast
JeDi: Our offer is—
Howie: where do I sign?
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 7, 2012 9:56 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think JeDi used that mind trick on Howie's agent
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
I'd sign just to make him stop
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Extend Aybar next,
move Howie to third base in a year or two, bring up Segura to play second w/Aybar at SS. I think that’s the plan.
Howie's arm would like a word with you
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
True.
If he got a shot to play left field (which, in itself, came out of left field) and succeeded with it, third base isn’t so crazy.
GORGEOUS BOURJOS! *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
by Of Maicer and Men on Jan 7, 2012 10:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't Howie only play left
due to a Vernon injury and the team decided that Howie at left with Macier or Amarista in the infield was a better option than calling Trout up or playing Bobby in the field?
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
one thing Trumbo probably has a better arm Id say given his past as third baseman and pitcher. But I think Kendrick if he was playing outfield and what I have seen with him even at second probably would be ok at 3rd from the arm aspect.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Howie played left fied
the least demanding outfield position in the arm department. At 2nd I have seen him whif on some bad throws and even in my irritation compared his arm to a wet noodle. Now no one is perfect at defense, and Howie is pretty good, but I think his defense ability gears him towards 2nd sooooo much more than third.
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
While Left is the least demanding you still need a strong arm id say wise your not playing OF at all. I don’t disagree though that he should stay at 2nd though.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
What "past as third baseman?"
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
i think there were like 4 games at low A....
but yeah there isnt much
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
When he was drafted he was a 3rd baseman/ pitcher.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
He was drafted as a pitcher.
And I can find no evidence that he has played 3rd in the minors. Ever.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
huh i coulda sworn i saw on here he did once
but thanks for the research
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Hey played 3rd I believe in Highschool before he was drafted as well as Pitched. (this is what I have been told here before). He has played some 3rd in WInter ball I believe but not in the Minors though I thought he was tried their in Rookie ball or single A. Tom Kotchmen had said something to that affect at some point that he was at least tried out their but he didn’t have the quickness or anything but what he sees now from him is totally different and he can hardly recognize the guy with his footwork and speed. Sorry I don’t remember where but I know it was from him that it was said on the Angels trying him their at some point.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think something was posted on this site related to what Kotchman said. It may have only been a link from someone though.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 8, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Cite it or it didn't happen.
And, I think you WAY underestimate the skills required to play acceptable 3B at the MLB level.
“Hot Corner” (not for nothing).
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/trumbo-326256-third-season.html
“Trumbo actually worked at third base when he began his professional career with the Angels in 2005. Ironically, it was Picciolo (the Angels’ minor-league roving infield instructor from 2006 through 2010) who helped convert Trumbo to first base when it was decided he couldn’t meet the defensive demands at third.”
Yes its not much experience but it did happen, based on your cite it or it didnt happen requirement. I agree with you that it requires enormous skills to play the hot corner, and I agree with Soth that it would be a “longshot,” however, it is nice to imagine a way to keep trumbo’s bat in the lineup with a healthy Morales and this pujols fellow
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for finding it I searched quickly and didn't see it.
Ill try and look some time tomorrow but in their I believe it also has Tom saying something about how much he seems to have improved from when he worked with him.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 8, 2012 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Nice.
I was 100% convinced we had created another – incorrect – meme on this site.
I realize this is a ray of hope for some. To me, putting Trumbo at 3rd is yet another Mathis-like move.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
And another story
that goes into the winter league that MoralesHomers mentioned, as well as high school days: http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/12/09/mildly-endorsing-consideration-of-possibly-giving-mark-trumbo-a-chance-to-try-third-base/114715/
Again while these are not glowing reviews i like the Kotchman quote about the steps Trumbo has made in his defense at 1st as evidence that he might someday be able to play 3rd if he puts in that same effort
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
Ok guess it was this one but again thanks for finding the link. Was planning on going back and looking for them but couldn’t at the moment.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 AM PST up reply actions
trumbo is getting a shot out of pure necessity to try to keep his bat in the lineup
Howie plays good defense at a tough infield position that fits his skill set, we dont have a 2nd baseman to replace him really (you dropped Segura’s name, the dude played in high A last year who knows what happens to him).
IF Segura pans out as we think he might then we will cross that bridge, but I can’t imagine the team actually planning that far ahead especially with a guy whose arm strength is not exactly his strong point (pun intended).
In the meantime we give Trumbo the chance to play 3rd. In addition, if memory serves me correctly, Trumbo was a former pitching prospect who has a strong arm and a skill set that might fit the hot corner (assuming he works on his footwork)
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
so what you are saying about trumbo at 3rd is..
ItCouldHappen?
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 7, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
if Christopher Lloyd can bend foul poles
….. Trumbo can play third
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yea I don’t see Howie ever playing third.
I think Trumbo is more than Necessity though. If he doesn’t work though their will be a trade. Id like to see if he doesn’t work out them give Luis Jimenez a shot though I think Efren Navarro would be ahead of him as far as Prospects go.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
What about Segura at third?
i have a trumboner.
by truhalo on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
again the guy played a season at high A...
This speculation is getting outlandish….. we have callaspo at 3rd for the next couple of years if the trumbo experiment fails and that is that. We are trying to pencil Segura in at 3 different infield positions when we dont even know if he will be able to produce at a level above single A.
Segura will develop and his skills will begin to dictate which position(s) will be best for him and that will be how we will approach him as a career. I cant imagine the angels organization would start forcing players into positions after a season of high A ball in order to fit their needs for the current season.
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Need to see more from him like ItCouldHappen has been stating he is only in High A
both of the people I have named are in at least AA. Segura may overtake them but um not going to sit here and overhype him. Armarista is also going to get another shot at SS and 2nd in a bench role before Segura likely makes it to the Majors. Id be happy to see him move up fast but im not expecting it.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 7, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Segura will be the next F/T SS in a few years
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
get ready to hear for the next 4years
Single up the middle
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
How about "Howie Doubles?"
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
How about "No, that's the OTHER Howard"?
"It is a haunted game in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before."
Best offseason in franchise history?
Or do we crown it after Aybar extends?
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Jan 7, 2012 10:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
After JeDi trades Vernon.
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Jan 8, 2012 2:41 AM PST up reply actions
personally
I would have crowned it after we signed the best player of this generation. Just me, though
vlad and colon?
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
This current year tops even that one IMO.
I don’t ever remember this type of hype in any Halos off season. I’ve even had non baseball fans start talking Angels with me recently just cause of all the buzz that’s in the air.
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
Rudi, Grich, and Baylor was pretty close
I still have this Sporting News cover. Free agency was new, and the Cowboy was one of the first owners to spend big.
Grich is a Hall of Famer
Baylor won an MVP
Rudi never panned out, but hit 7 grand slams in only 4 years with us
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Grich SHOULD be a Hall of Famer
Welch builds his case here
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Pujols+Wilson>Vlad+Colon
but overall moves in the offseason, how does 03-04 match up with 11-12?
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Jan 8, 2012 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i think the other factors
getting rid of jeffy, weaver’s extensions plus the wonderful comments that accompanied it, howie’s extension, Latroy Hawkins,
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
While Subtracting Jeffy.
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
03-04 also added Myspace and Guillen.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
This is fantastic news
Great player. Great price. I’m on the fence about extending Aybar. I love his attitude. And he is great in the field. But he sucks against left-handed pitching. Really sucks.
Whenever JeDi says something about limited money.
He means to spend.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
we aren't actually adding any payroll right now
just more years
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Jan 8, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
It is done. Waters96 accident = fate
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jan 8, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
syb•a•rit•ic |ˌsibəˈritik|
adjective
Fond of sensuous luxury or pleasure; self-indulgent : their opulent and sybaritic lifestyle.
Wouldn’t the home town discount run counter to that nickname?
"It is a haunted game in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before."
His harem is located in the Disneyland Hotel, so he's got to stay
by Rock Island Line on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Besides, they have lots of hot dogs at the big A
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
think: JEFF KENT
Before Kent hit in front of Barry Bonds, he was a decent second baseman. in front of bonds? a perennial 30-hr second baseman.
I’m betting Kendrick benefits from Pujols’ presence and goes nuts this year.
Fantastic
Howie’s gonna have his best season in 2012! I can’t wait for opening day!
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Everyone seems convinced Howie will bat 2nd
Does no one else think there is a good chance he will be hitting 6th in the lineup again?
by Brody on Jan 8, 2012 7:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Not if Trumbo is healthy....6th is Trumbo's spot.
Of course that is assuming Morales comes back (still a big if)….With no Kendrys I think Trumbo will move up to 5th…
from an OBP yea he's better than Howie.
But I want to see Howie 2nd because he has the raw strength to take advantage of the extra fastballs he would see. I think 2 years ago Howie had one of the highest average homerun distance, the guy is surprisingly strong for his size and has always been a great fastball hitter.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
if Kendrys doesnt come back healthy....
could we imagine Callaspo hitting 2nd, Howie hitting third, Pujols 4th and Torii or Trumbo 5th and 6th in some order?
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
batting Pujols 4th as compared to 3rd won't happen.
You might not believe me but if we have Bourjos/Aybar batting 8th/9th in the lineup I think you could make a case for Albert batting leadoff rather than cleanup. Because lets say the last ab of a game in a lineup is equally distributed 162/9 = 18 abs per spot in the lineup the difference between 1st and 4th is 3 spots so Albert should get an extra 54 plate apps. batting leadoff than cleanup and since the difference between our 2/3 guys with Albert batting 4th isn’t that much better than our 8/9 guys with Albert batting leadoff I’d have to think the extra 54 abs for Pujols would be more than worth not having any runners on for him in the first.
But I’d bat him 3rd to be sure.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
good point about the ABs
I agree completely that he should bat 3rd, but i think we need to have howie in front of Pujols, mainly for howie’s skill set to exploit that role (Callaspo would benefit with more runs, but Howie could quite literally master it with more power), but I would also like someone with a higher OBP than pete or aybar in front of Pujols
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by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
yea I agree
there is no perfect #2 hitter on this team the way it’s currently constructed, although I think Trout should be in that role as early as next year. I wouldn’t bat him leadoff only because he will hit for a lot of power as long as they don’t tell him his only role is to get on base and slap it the other way. Those 2 homers he hit in Seattle were SICK, such easy power and from a 19 year old, I still can’t believe some people only see him hitting 15 homers per year.
My solution would have been to bail on Kendry (at least in terms of counting on him to comeback) and to sign Kotchman. Casey is a number 2 type. He gets on base and he has a lot more power than either a guy like Bobby at this stage of his career or Callaspo.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
I agree with your comments. Howie and/or Callaspo would be ideal #2 hitters. However,
thinking outside the box, since our second largest $investment is Vernon Wells, imagine the Angels trying to maximize their ROI on VWells by batting him in front of Pujols….whether that be #2 or #3.
I’m thinking financially: Unless he is totally washed up, VWells’ potential would be most realized to the team by having Pujols bat behind him, as opposed to Howie, Callaspo, Torii, or possibly even Trumbo. Otherwise, we’ve got a $21MM contract batting 7th, or 6th if Morales doesn’t make it.
Don’t get me wrong: My lineups would have Howie or Callaspo batting #2. I just thought I might trigger some discussion of other scenarios. Howie, Callaspo, and Torii are going to do what they do anyway.
Would the TEAM benefit more by having Howie, or VWells, batting in front of Pujols?
Howie. No to the rest
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
There have been studies that have found...
Lineup protection is a myth. You can search more on the topic for yourself if you choose but here is one brief example..
I agree with you Gamer
as long as Kendrick bats in front of Pujols. Then there is indeed lineup protection.
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
As long as it ain't Abreu
But yeah Howie bats 2nd
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Therefore, the ideal hitter to hit in front of Pujols..
is the player with the highest OBP to A) Get on base and make pitcher’s pitch to Albert and B) Provide more RBI opportunities.
Abreu, when in the lineup, would be a good option. Torii and Callaspo would be nice options as well.
The problem with Abreu
is that he takes Morales, Trumbo or Callaspo out of the line up.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
I stand corrected
actually I’m sitting on my ass but you get the idea
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Sounded like mike was pretty sure about batting Pujols third. Obviously he could easily change his mind but sounds that that is only option he is considering right now.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 8, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
basically I'll sacrifice a bit of OBP if Howie
could slug close to 500 which I think is realistic hitting in front of Albert.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
Howie signing is awesome
he will make up the money he left on the table with 4 more years of “Howard’s” commercials. The production value and writing of those commercials are great.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
Is my mind playing tricks on me, or were there no Howard's commercials on TV last year?
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
There were far less, and not as many with Howie.
But they were there. Oh, they were there.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Cite it or it didnt happen
I hate living on the east coast…. all i have are dustin pedroia dunkin commercial and matt light (Pats Oline dude) doing garage door commercials for “Fagan Doors”
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
How does one cite a commercial?
And if you know the answer, would you mind citing it for me?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
youtube
Sorry i was being a bit sarcastic, are any of the commercials on youtube?
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Never apologize for sarcasm, it's the greatest thing ever.
I couldn’t find any from recent months (that’s how rare they were last season! I swear!), but I did find this gem.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
still a better job asking questions at a press conference
than when that ESPN reporter asked if the angels would regret the pujols signing at the press conference
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Ha nice question
I’ve been a journo for 30 years ?? and never asked such a stupid question.
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
YES !!!!
This is huge….Howie will be a key in the middle of our batting lineup and infield at least for the next few years…
And I don’t have to trade in my authentic MLB Kendrick home Angels jersey which was only two years old anyway !
My daughter liked this deal so much that she crapped her pants.
Off to change another diaper.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
I can't fathom the thought of what happened when the Angels signed Pujols. :)
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
I don't even want to think about it.
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, still trying to get the walls clean after that one.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.
My son spit up nearly half of his bottle, which is 4 oz.
Then decided to sneeze and shart at the same time which happened to all get on my beloved Mathis jersey. =]
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Jan 8, 2012 12:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
comments like this make me want a vasectomy......
but at the same time it makes me want a kid to shart on mathis jerseys
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I turned my giveaway Mathis jerseys into
washable diapers for my 1 year old.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
insert random catching a perfect game joke here
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot to add that after my wife washed the jersey
she blacked out Mathis’s name and put PUJOLS over it and it is now her beloved pujols jersey.
"How much more money do you need?"
-Jered Weaver, 8/23/2011
by bbasher103090 on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Having kids is like climbing a mountain
Its not really fun while you are doing it, but it is totally worth it when you look back at where you have been and what you have been through.
by Balls and Strikes on Jan 8, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
These guys play for righs
HK-47 must have one in his sights.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
*rings
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
This is the beginning of something beautiful
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 8, 2012 3:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lookout Landing hates the deal
(because it’s so great for us)
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2012/1/8/2692506/howie-kendrick-and-angels-irk-mariners-more
Arsenal FC ~ Middlesex CCC ~ Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
L.L. Poster "the other side" said they would always have vernon wells
I wanted to ask how that Figgy signing was going but I have to wait 24 hours.
Ratz, I hate losing a great comeback
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Things are looking up in Seattle
once the Astros arrive, they will have a humdinger of a race for last place every year.
Arsenal FC ~ Middlesex CCC ~ Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
with the moneyball barnsale
there could be a third team vying for that spot
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of wish that the Astros came to the AL West this year.
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 8, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
So I just completely ganked your line over there.
I’m sorry, but I really want my first one-post ban. It took me four on LSB and that still bothers me.
I’ll buy you a beer for stealing a wonderful, wonderful line.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Thats a little sad that it didin’t get you banned they are normally very very quick to ban people.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 9, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Those guys are dicks
I guess grunge really was an expression of Seattle. Forget the rain, people commit suicide to get away from those guys.
by JeffJoiner on Jan 9, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LSB was worried it would drive up the price of kinsler
since they define him as a better player….. which i disagree with
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Jan 8, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if there's a "C word limit" on HH
But what a cunt.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 9, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Mariner Fun Facts!
The Mariner front office that was hired after the 2008 season put an emphasis on run prevention.
And my, oh, my! They have done a spectacular job of preventing runs.
Over the past three seasons here’s how the M’s offense ranks among MLB’s 30 teams:
- 30th (last) in runs scored
- 30th in wRC+
- 30th in OBP
- 30th in slugging percentage. Now that’s impressive! Even though the Ms have the advantage of the DH, all the NL teams beat out the Mariners.
This is a significant sample size: 18,074 plate appearances
So congratulations to the Mariner’s front office! That is an incredible accomplishment to put together hitters who excel at preventing runs.
by XYZ123 on Jan 9, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec-daddied.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
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