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The Tim Salmon Hall of Fame Debate

There has been a lot of debate over the past week about whether or not Tim Salmon will even get five percent of the votes required to remain on the Hall of Ballot. Fans are divided. A recent poll at HalosHeaven.com was almost split 50/50 over the subject. I happened to be one who voted yes. I'll explain why.

In my opinion, the only thing standing in Tim Salmon's way of the Hall of Fame is injuries. His career numbers from 1993 through 2002 actually resemble that of Eddie Murray. The batting average, on-base percentage, power, speed, defense are all comparable between the two, in their prime.

In fact, Murray had five seasons with 30-plus homeruns his entire career; Salmon had five seasons with 30-plus homeruns in his first eight years.

According to Salmon's career averages, the King Fish could have reached 500 homeruns in about 16 seasons (2009), five earlier than Murray. It would've been a struggle to reach 3,000 hits; it would've taken about 19 seasons, but still one fewer than Murray. The biggest difference is that Murray stayed healthy.

There is also the argument that Salmon never made an All-Star team. Well, Murray only made one All-Star team in his final 11 seasons (1991), and only took home one award during that span (1990 Silver Slugger). That does open room for a discussion about Salmon's potential for All-Star status after his memorable postseason performance in 2002. Troy Glaus and Garrett Anderson were shoe-ins the very next season, but Salmon wasn't; he was slowed down by nagging injuries again.

One could say that where Murray added up his All-Star appearances in the first half of his career, Salmon could've done the same in the second half of his career, thus bringing home awards that spanned half of each player's careers. That's all speculation though, but I think it brings up a good point when bringing awards into a Hall of Fame discussion.

There are also those who like to say Bernie Williams was a better player and might never get in. Salmon managed 30-plus homeruns and 90-plus RBI's on teams with poor offense and in a pitchers ballpark, where-as Bernie, Juan Gonzalez, and Manny were all playing in hitters ballparks.

That's something to think about since the bag has been opened to re-evaluate Bert Blyleven's career because of the horrible teams he played for, as well as questioning Jack Morris' worth because he pitched for good/great teams his entire career. Ballpark factors are coming into play, so that I think gives Salmon another boost.

Fans have even compared Salmon with Jim Rice.

Will Clark and Don Mattingly are two other examples of players whose careers were cut short by injuries and the need to retire early. Unfortunately for them, there wasn't quite enough of an impact in the minds of voters for either to warrant a ticket into the Hall of Fame. Although, the Veterans Committee is talking about Mattingly because he still made quite an impact in the eighties.

Mattingly has been on the ballot since 2001; Will Clark didn't even receive 5% of the votes needed, which to me is mind boggling. But that does present a counter argument against Salmon reaching 5% of the votes.

Had Tim Salmon made a great impact in the first half of his career, he might have a chance. Had he also posted greater longevity to outlast the steroid era, his 2002 postseason might have thrust him into the elite, to where he the King Fish would be a representative of those who didn't tarnish their career with steroids. But it didn't happen.

You know what? Sandy Koufax may have set the bar as far as players with short stints of success that made the greatest impact. How does Tim Salmon compete with Sandy Koufax? He doesn't. He can't.

I do think Salmon will get at least five percent of the votes, but I don't think there is a chance at all he will get into the Hall of Fame. It's a shame because Salmon was basically a five-tool player who was as consistent as they come until his injuries took over later in his career.

Either way, Tim Salmon will get into the Angels Hall of Fame. I'm counting on that one.

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Love Salmon

tremendous player and a team leader but unfortunately he doesn’t have the career numbers to make it.

by Morales8 on Jan 8, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

Agree

I love everything he means to this franchise and what he has contributed to the team and community, but unfortunately the quality of the human being won’t overcome the baseball resume.

"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."

by mustard_man on Jan 8, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming (based on his comments in his book) that Salmon never took steroids,

he is a victim of the era. If he played in the 80’s he would have had a better chance of getting in. Competing against pitchers who were on steroids and being compared to hitters who were on them changes the entire picture of what he did though.

The difficulty is that you can compare him to other hitters who were not on steroids, but no one is sure who is who. You can compare him to all time leaders, but its not really fair either since so many pitchers were taking them. He wrote he retired because he felt overmatched by guys who were on them. Its a really tough position for voters to be in.

You can’t change what Salmon did (and didnt do) but taking the numbers in the context of his generation is tough. His numbers certainly dont look like they deserve to be in the hall of fame, but if voters are serious about keeping the guys who took steroids out, I think guys like Salmon need to be understood in the context of competing against these super-players. If he doesnt get the 5% needed, I’d expect that it means guys who juiced will be voted in soon enough.

by Balls and Strikes on Jan 8, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

One Question I've Always Raised Is...

From 1993-2000, what kind of numbers does he put up if he’s with the Yankees, Indians, Red Sox, Rangers, or Orioles? I don’t think it’s just steroids that is tarnishing the credentials of some of the big names of that era, it’s also the fact that so many of them were paired up with another two or three other stars on the best teams and it was hard to tell who was the real star or MVP. All that protection; all those baserunners; steroids were a big factor. Tim Salmon sometimes had big years without any of those 3 factors. Unfortunately, IMO, he just broke down too early like Mattingly.

by RyÅn Krol on Jan 8, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I just wonder if anyone will give him some credit for hanging it up instead of juicing up

Not that I think he will get in, I just wonder if he will get some support based on the anti-steroid stance many of the voters have taken. If you reject Bonds, McGwire and co, I think you forced to endorse Salmon and guys like him or risk leaving an entire generation of players out of the hall.

by Balls and Strikes on Jan 8, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds

I’ve seen credit going to Jim Edmonds for the numbers a guy named Pujols has been able to put up for a good part of his career

by Rex Fregosi on Jan 9, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I have never heard this.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You have to listen for the voices

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Jan 16, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

So what's the senario with Salmon as of late?

When will they retire his number? Is he going to take over Billy Mac’s spot ? Was he being groomed last year with his Handsome aura and horrible suits? Will he be a coach…..Or just play lots of golf? I realize he and others participate in ST, do odd appearances here and there, and what-not, but my question is what is his actual contractual commitment to the organization? And how does it compare to what Pujols will be/do after his first 10 years?

by Funke5ive on Jan 9, 2012 4:02 AM PST reply actions  

Salmon isn't a Hall of Famer

But if it weren’t for steroids and the double standard of steroid standards, he could have made 5%, I think. The player who will almost definitely miss the HoF because of the hypocrisy of steroid standards is Fred McGriff. He’s the guy who is being punished because of gaudy home run numbers.

Tim Salmon is the greatest Angel not because of pure numbers but because of his leadership, charisma, and general goodness. It won’t put him in Cooperstwon, but i’d rather shake his hand than that of any other living baseball player.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Jan 9, 2012 4:27 AM PST reply actions  

I'd rather shake AJ's hand.

It’d be like that scene at the end of the third season of 24.

Just kidding. Kingfish all the way, no poison involved.

"It is a haunted game in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before."

by AlanFalcon on Jan 9, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

how's the app coming?

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Jan 12, 2012 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Swim upstream salmon

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 9, 2012 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

I'm just glad this guy didn't plug halo space.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Jan 9, 2012 10:25 PM PST reply actions  

Heading up your own stuff

or remaining a FA?

"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca

by blast21dave on Jan 11, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I've received a few offers

and now I’m weighing my options.

I started my own Angels blog, which will be valuable to any page that picks me up.

by RyÅn Krol on Jan 11, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

he is one of only a handful of people.

The best player ever on his team

2011, it's going to be a heck of year, or not

by salmonforever on Jan 10, 2012 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

Tim Salmon was a great Angel!

He was a key part of the team that won our first and only World Series.

Too bad about the Hall of Fame, but he accomplished a lot in his outstanding major league career.

by waters96 on Jan 15, 2012 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

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