Tim Salmon Manages 5 HOF Votes; only Barry Larkin Elected

by Rev Halofan on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM PST in Angels News

Angels great Tim Salmon received five votes for the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. He needed five percent of the votes to remain on the ballot and did not get that. Barry Larkin was the only candidate elected by the writers this year. Full details at SBN's Baseball Nation. Full results follow here:

(75% of votes cast needed for election)
NAME - Votes (Vote%) - Year on Ballot

Barry Larkin	495 (86.4%)	3
Jack Morris	382 (66.7%)	13
Jeff Bagwell	321 (56.0%)	2
Lee Smith	290 (50.6%)	10
Tim Raines	279 (48.7%)	5
Alan Trammell	211 (36.8%)	11
Edgar Martinez	209 (36.5%)	3
Fred McGriff	137 (23.9%)	3
Larry Walker	131 (22.9%)	2
Mark McGwire	112 (19.5%)	6
Don Mattingly	102 (17.8%)	12
Dale Murphy	83 (14.5%)	14
Rafael Palmeiro	72 (12.6%)	2
Bernie Williams	55 (9.6%)	1
Juan Gonzalez	23 (4.0%)	2
Vinny Castilla	6 (1.0%)	1
Tim Salmon	5 (0.9%)	1
Bill Mueller	4 (0.7%)	1
Brad Radke	2 (0.3%)	1
Javy Lopez	1 (0.2%)	1
Eric Young	1 (0.2%)	1
Jeromy Burnitz	0 (0%)	1
Brian Jordan	0 (0%)	1
Terry Mulholland	0 (0%)	1
Phil Nevin	0 (0%)	1
Ruben Sierra	0 (0%)	1
Tony Womack	0 (0%)	1

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How many votes did Juan Gonzalez get last year?

I didn’t realize people receded in the voting process over the years. I thought, perhaps, once a voter was sure one was HOF material, they wouldn’t waver (without mitigating factors, like McGwire’s admission).

In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden

by matthiasstephan on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM PST reply actions

Tim Raines

It’s a shame he isn’t in yet. I think his candidacy deserves to be the next cause célèbre of advanced thinkers, now that Blyleven has made it.

I’m curious who the five were who voted for our dear Timmy. Nice to see him acknowledged, in any case.

by jjackflash on Jan 9, 2012 1:10 PM PST reply actions

Agreed

Tim Raines was one of my favorite players to watch as a kid. The kind of guy you watch and wish was on your team.

Had he played for the Skanks or Sux he would have been in a long time ago.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 9, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions

Not necessarily true

He DID play for the Yankees. In fact, he won the World Series with them in 1998. The problem is that by then he was pretty much a part-time player. So even though he was still good for the Yankees, he wasn’t a headliner on the team.

That’s actually what his problem was for the entire last half of his career. Injuries limited him to around 100 – 120 games a year. He faded in a lot of peoples’ minds, even though A) He was still a very good player and B) He was an absolute beast during his prime.

The other main problem with perception of Raines is that his beastliness was always viewed as less beastly compared to the greatest leadoff hitter ever who happened to play at the exact same time as Rock – Rickey Henderson.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 9, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions

Correction

He won a World Series with the Yankees in 1996. He was on the team in 1998, but didn’t get a World Series at bat.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 9, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions

Timing is everything

He played during the same era as Henderson and didn’t get to NY until it was too late. Had his Expos years been played in pinstripes I’m sure he would have gotten in already. Of course, if Henderson wasn’t around, that also might have done it.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions

Sad but not surprised

Salmon is a beloved Angel, not a Hall of Famer.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 9, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions

The rest of the country sure doesn't think much of our Angels

“Had he played for the Skanks or Sux …”

by Unclearnie on Jan 9, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions

Oops - replied to wrong JeffJoiner post

Should have been to:

Agreed

Tim Raines was one of my favorite players to watch as a kid. The kind of guy you watch and wish was on your team.

Had he played for the Skanks or Sux he would have been in a long time ago.

by Unclearnie on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions

I Think He's Okay With That

He’s Angels royalty as long as he draws breath and he’s got a World Series ring. Not too shabby.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Jan 9, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions

I've met a few Hall of Famers and Tim Salmon

Ferguson Jenkins, Goose Gossage, Rollie Fingers….

I was more excited to meet Tim Salmon. Seriously felt like I was about three feet off the ground for week or so.

by JeffJoiner on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions

Someone Vote For Brad Radke

My first response was: “Really?”

by RyÅn Krol on Jan 9, 2012 1:56 PM PST reply actions

Esther Radke. Sports Editor for the Bangor Pilot.

Thanks, mom!

Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!

by Stirrups on Jan 9, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions

What if I don't want to Bangor Pilot?

Can I hire a stripper to do it?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 9, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions

Probably from Minnesota

The few Twins fans I know love Brad Radke.

by RICangelfan on Jan 9, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions

Vinny Castilla got 6 votes.

by Balls and Strikes on Jan 9, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

Does anybody else find it interesting

that pitchers get a phenomenal amount more credit for impact on the game when they are active, as opposed to when they are retired, versus position players?

Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!

by Stirrups on Jan 9, 2012 2:16 PM PST reply actions

ONE VOTE BETTER THEN

BILLY MUELLER? REALLY
FUCK THEM

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 9, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions

55 votes for Bernie Williams...

WTF???

CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!

by ryanfea on Jan 9, 2012 2:33 PM PST reply actions

Also no joke votes for Tony Womack?

That’s too bad. If I was a baseball writer I’d have one joke vote every year

CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!

by ryanfea on Jan 9, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions

I would be so excited for the chance to write in Jeff Mathis.

by ~MMP~ on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions

We was on the ZOMG YANKEES!!!!! HE'S TEH AW3SOM3!!!

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jan 9, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions

Salmon was great in his prime

.290/.390/.520 with 90 walks, 30 doubles, 30 homeruns and a cannon in RF. He did that for 9 out of 10 years. But then he had the knee surgery and rotator cuff issues, and he just couldn’t extend the decline phase. I think he would have been great as a DH for five years from ages 35 – 39 had he stayed relatively healthy. He might have approached 400 homeruns, and would have easily passed 2,000 hits. With a great season in there he might have a approached 50 WAR, although that’s a bit of a stretch. Maybe still short of HOF, but a lot closer.

He was one of my favorites. I loved seeing him in the middle of the lineup and with his sliding catches out there in right. Watching him hoist the World Series trophy is my best memory from that night.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 9, 2012 2:48 PM PST reply actions

Bernie Williams is the same fucking player as Salmon

someone explain how he’s worth 11x the vote total.

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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM PST reply actions

Yankees

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Jan 9, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW HE'S WORTH 11x THE VOTE TOTAL

WITHOUT MENTIONING TEAM AFFILIATION

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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions

people in new york

like the taste of each other

by Rev Halofan on Jan 9, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs

Hmmm...

6.5/10.

Not bad. Needs improvement.

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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions

From 1996-2002 he hit .323/.408/.538 while playing Gold Glove CF for a 4-time WS champeen

That’s a pretty good run. Salmon did his .294/.396/.532 from ’93-00, but it was in RF, for a team known mostly for disappointment.

Bernie’s 22nd all-time in WAR for CFers after 1901 (w/ 47.3), Salmon’s 37th all-time in WAR for RFers (w/ 37.6). He wasn’t 11x the player, but nor was Larkin twice the shortstop than Alan Trammell.

by mattwelch on Jan 9, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions