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Apparently, Josh Hamilton was spotted drinking in a Dallas-area bar. It's his second relapse in three years. Full story found in the link.

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last year, even.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

then I apologize

It’s ironic but still unfortunate.

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Feb 2, 2012 10:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

free speech

it is cool… but so is free speech saying it is not cool.

Cool?

by Rev Halofan on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

it's what I love about amurrica!!!

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Feb 3, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Head asplodes.

And yes. Free speech is free spech. Period. Even if I don’t like what you’re saying.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Feb 5, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sucks to be him

But I totally agree on you with this one.

Nonetheless, he’s the only one who can help himself and I hope he’s strong enough to pull out of it

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 3, 2012 7:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yikes.

"Baseball is beautiful. It is the only sport in which you can fail 70% of the time and still be considered the greatest player"

by Halos2011champs on Feb 3, 2012 6:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You're a shitty human being

Laughing at people with addiction to the extent Hamilton has it is worse than being weak enough to fall into addiction IMHO.

It’s one thing to laugh at a recreational user like Ron Washington but Hamilton was seriously on the brink. You suck.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a human being...

Enough said.

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 3, 2012 2:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LSB is saying that Ian Kinsler was with him at a bar called Sherlock's in Arlington.

"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."

by 44FAN on Feb 2, 2012 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

Ooop

Sounds like Kinsler was trying to get him to go home.

Still though, I don’t like Ian Kinsler.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 2, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Ian Kinsler is a potty head

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it looks like he was helping

Your original statement is still 100% accurate.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Feb 3, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

could be he got a call or text from Josh.

I feel bad for the guy. We love to hate him

"We are the JeDi, the ultimate power in the universe. We will do as we choose. And we will destroy any who dare stand in our way."

by ladybug on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It's likely available,

but just doesn’t work.

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry

by LAASurfin on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Amen brother

Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Feb 2, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit, I really like Josh Hamilton

Hope it isn’t that bad and he can pull through this.

by TheKingfish on Feb 2, 2012 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

Halos Heaven, a class act...

We hate the Rangers. This is situation and our hatred are mutually exclusive. Comments so far are right on point. This is bigger than baseball. I sincerely hope JH gets through this and comes out an All Star.

by SLOfan on Feb 2, 2012 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

I want him to come through this, but I am fine if he isn't an All Star :)

In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden

by matthiasstephan on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 AM PST up reply actions  

same here

That A.S. outfield spot can go to Bourjos

by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

x2

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Feb 3, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

They aren't comparable in my opinion

An innocent accident, however unfortunate for us, is not really on par with a psychological disease that this guy will have to deal with everyday for the rest of his life.

I know we all like to think money makes everything go away but cut this guy some slack. If he was an Angel, everyone would think of him as a person. I’m glad most people here aren’t letting the fact that hes a Ranger change that

12/8/11!!! What a day!

by stuck in Romania on Feb 4, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Its interesting to compare our response to this to other blogs response to kendrys broken ankle

The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.

by snowhor on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

x3

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Feb 3, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Its interesting to compare our response to this to other blogs response to kendrys broken ankle

The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.

by snowhor on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

They aren't comparable in my opinion

An innocent accident, however unfortunate for us, is not really on par with a psychological disease that this guy will have to deal with everyday for the rest of his life.

I know we all like to think money makes everything go away but cut this guy some slack. If he was an Angel, everyone would think of him as a person. I’m glad most people here aren’t letting the fact that hes a Ranger change that

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Fail.

This was not my comment, so any commentary on the substance of the comment should not be addressed to me. I merely saw the double comment and continued with another double. That’s what you should have done.

The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.

by snowhor on Feb 3, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

x 3.5

Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

They are comparable in that bad crap happened to two people who are professional baseball players

You can argue about control and responsibility, but the fact is when Kendrys Morales got hurt, other blogs were celebrating. When this guy had a relapse, most of us could sympathize with him as a human being.

My point, which my phone decided was worthy of a double post, was that I’m glad to be part of a community that can see past baseball and into the human element of the game.

by Balls and Strikes on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

Pretty sure this community didn’t shed any tears when Josh broke his forearm last season.

by dmhead on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

x4

In case you didn’t get it the first three times.

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Feb 3, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He should call Mayhem up....

he’ll tell him what to do.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 2, 2012 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Haha...maybe someday ill have good advice.

Right now, though, he might just make me wanna go out and join him.

"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"

by Mayheminthehood on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

What a bummer...

Addiction is hell. Hang in there Josh.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Feb 2, 2012 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Such a sad story

they’re saying now that Ian Kinsler was there trying to get him to go home… Sad story addiction never goes away my question is how did anyone let him near the bar with all of the people looking out for him?

by Halofan1043 on Feb 2, 2012 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

yea.

I wouldn’t be shocked as much as we would like to think we as fans would say something to a player on our team suffering though something like this when it comes time im sure it is hard to do for many cause of the situation with them as a star.

by MoralesHomers on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Guarantee the bar was like "Josh F***in' Hamilton is in our bar!"

“JOSH HAMILTON, PEOPLE!!! Buy shots!”

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Feb 3, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hope this is some weird misunderstanding.

Josh Hamilton is an absolute joy to watch playing baseball, he’s one of those who really loves the game and plays it with an incredible passion.

More important than baseball though, addiction is a bitch and I hope Josh can get through it okay. Hopefully his family and friends can help him get through this and get his head back on straight.

we'll see you later, nick adenhart 1986-2009

by rowast on Feb 2, 2012 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

Sucks for his wife

Hey

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

Damn, this news on the same day my dad tells me he relapsed

After 22 years clean and sober, he got caught up and smoked a bowl of that spice bs. Addiction isn’t a fucking joke, and sometimes I wish I would grow a pair and stop taunting genetics with my drinking habits.

Faith Focus Finish

by b0rd3rline on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Dude

I am really sorry to hear about your dad. I’ll keep him in my thoughts. Addiction did a number on my family so I know how ugly it can be. My condolences.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Feb 2, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That stuff is scary

Everything I’ve read about it is very concerning.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. I worked at drug testing facility

Spice kills people. Marijuana does not.

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 3, 2012 7:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sort of off-topic

but what is “spice?” I’ve never heard of it (except, you know, things you cook with).

by jjackflash on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Tries to replicate the effects and appeal of marijuana.

It doesn’t and its health risks are alarming.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

its faux pot

It is a legal substance that is meant to give a similar high that pot does…. its popular among athletes and some of my friends who go to maritime academies that drug test. It has been inconclusively linked to deaths.

The high is much more paranoid than pot, it is like if you took the paranoia of salvia and the body relaxer of pot… I find it to be an inadequate substitute that is much more dangerous and more evidence of America’s faulty drug laws

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

It's no joke

As a regular pot smoker I was intrigued to try some salvia, just for the hell of it. When I went to the smoke shop, the guy running the place talked me into “spice”, saying it was more similar to pot and much mellower than salvia. Being the gluttonous fool that I am, I bought both.

After playing around with each to varying degrees of enjoyment/indifference, I one day had the brilliant idea to load a bong with pot, salvia and spice. After one hit my brain felt swollen and my whole body went numb. I tried to lie down but couldn’t shake the paranoid-out-of-body experience. For a good 10-15 minutes I was sitting on the couch, trying to watch tv to snap out of it but my head was definitely some place else.

Not a fun experience and I haven’t touched spice or salvia again since that time. Interesting that you say research has shown that “spice” (its really just fucking incense, right?) can cause real damage. That does not surprise me one bit considering the un-natural high it gave me.

by dmhead on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

my research concurs with this

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 6, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, wow

I’ve never heard of spice either (except, you know…)

Kick Texas' Pujols!

by Halo Hurricane on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry to hear that

"We are the JeDi, the ultimate power in the universe. We will do as we choose. And we will destroy any who dare stand in our way."

by ladybug on Feb 3, 2012 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Your dad is in my thoughts and prayers.

Hope he can get right back on track and keep going.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Feb 4, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Feel terrible for him.

Definitely not the way I wanna see him go down. I’d rather beat him on the field than see this.

by Evan Gillette on Feb 3, 2012 12:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

morales8

Your a bad neighbor/wingman

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 3, 2012 12:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Hahahaha ^

Last time I saw him he was fishing with his daughters, really is a nice guy I want nothing more then for him to get out of this

by Morales8 on Feb 3, 2012 4:56 AM PST up reply actions  

same here man

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 3, 2012 9:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not surprising in the least.

Hope for things to work out for him.

Can’t imagine how hard it is to stay away from that stuff in the spotlight. At least during the season he has something to focus on every day. Offseason is long for fans. Has to be longer for players. Has to be insanely long for guys like Hamilton.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

Some people can drink, others can’t. Seems random and, like life, unfair.

Crazy scenario: Rangers panic, trade him for Wells! Hamilton gets clean in a sweet OC treatment center, takes over left field…the rest is history, or, rather, fantasy.

by Rock Island Line on Feb 3, 2012 4:40 AM PST reply actions  

I'll Mock Him When He's Clean

Because it’s the nature of jeering a nemesis. But I won’t mock him when he’s ahving problems, because this is a real human being with a family and a life, and no one should have to go through this.

Considering how much he brings to the Rangers, I don’t know why they don’t have someone shadowing his every move. if he wants privacy, he can retire.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Feb 3, 2012 5:34 AM PST reply actions  

I'm rooting for Hamilton to overcome this

and adding my prayers along with many of you.
I don’t want to beat Hamilton and the others because of an addiction, any illness or injury.

I want him to be in perfect health when Weaver, Haren, Voodoo and CJ blow smoke past him all year and bring unending humiliation to all of LSB..

by Seraphan on Feb 3, 2012 6:37 AM PST reply actions  

Unfortunately relapse is a part of dealing with addiction

and happens quite frequently to those battling different addictions. Prayers to Josh and his family that he beats this inner demon and it doesn’t tear his family apart.

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Feb 3, 2012 6:47 AM PST reply actions  

Partly loyalty doesn't include cheering

while someone self-destructs to the point that it could quite possibly kill them. Humanity is greater than fandom. To act otherwise is some kind of perverse rearranging of priority.

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Feb 3, 2012 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

not really

there are all sorts of fictional creature teams out there. giants, titans, varying devils and demon deacons – it’s all cool.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

That is assuming angels are fictional

Many, like me, would disagree. You are free to your own opinion, but Christians believe in them.

BTW, I never got the meaning of “Demon Deacons.” It sounds like leaders of a satanic church or something.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

or mean teachers, maybe

wasn’t trying to step on any religious toes, was just saying there’s all sorts of mascots that belong in the category of creatures from various mythological/religious texts is all.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow...you are messed up

To “utter a silent prayer of thanks” when a guy is struggling for his life because your baseball team might win a few extra games in one season? You must have a really sad life. I feel almost as sorry for you as I do for hamilton.

by cougwilly on Feb 3, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

addiction is a brain disroder

if you have a heart issue you go to a doctor. if you are an addict you put up with people blaming you for organ failure.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 3, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's not what my post said at all

I merely said you cannot compare Adenhart’s death to Hamilton’s disorder. They are wholly separate issues.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I was comparing cold, crass and insensitive statements.

"We are the JeDi, the ultimate power in the universe. We will do as we choose. And we will destroy any who dare stand in our way."

by ladybug on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Spot on. Rec'd.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE...

by halofolife on Feb 3, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

all brain-hurt folks need to know: take your meds or fuck you

by Rev Halofan on Feb 5, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

I’d rather we beat the best than outlast a weak opponent.

The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.

by snowhor on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

No way

Even if it costs the Angels the division crown, I would rather Hamilton recover from this relapse.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn dude.

/fist pound

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

And we should be just like Texas fans?

Just because they’re classless, doesn’t mean you have to be.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not what I said

we don’t have to take delight in Hamilton’s “misfortunes,” but we sure as hell shouldn’t feel even a tinge of guilt or give a whiff of legitimacy to Texas whining if we win with him out.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You said "Ranger fans had no trouble mocking Kendry's ankle..."

which I took as justification to mock Hamilton’s relapse. If you meant to say the Angels beating a short-handed Rangers team shouldn’t be viewed as a cheapened victory, you didn’t say it very well. I have no guilt if the Angels beat Texas without Hamilton. Teams lose players all the time. At any rate, why would you use Rangers fans as a measuring stick anyways?

BTW, I saw the over at LSB they’ve been bickering about how this is a good thing in that it gives the team negotiating leverage for his next contract. These are the people that are supposed to be rooting for him. I wouldn’t exactly use them as a moral compass.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 3, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

you left everything off of my post after that ellipses

as if it wasn’t an integral part of my point.

But you know what? Screw Hamilton’s relapse relative to Kendry’s ankle.

He’s missed two years of the prime of his career and possibly will spend the rest of his life with chronic pain from a severe injury. His punishment for what? Being excited about winning a game for his team?

Hamilton’s disease is one only made worse by a lack of self-control. He has himself to blame as much as he does any wiring in his brain. If he relapses, he’s infinitely more at fault for it than Morales can be faulted for having the “audacity” to jump up in excitement.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're confusing posts now

I never said anything about Kendry’s needing or deserving a “punishment”. Nor did I say Morales is at fault for anything. You’re not making any sense.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It made sense

and I wasn’t putting any words in your mouth.

Don’t worry.

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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You're speaking from an untenable position.

It’s his fault because why? Because of his brain?

Is a schizophrenic at fault because their brain is wired wrong and they suffer from chemical imbalances?

Did you grow up in an environment of alpha humans where everyone made a choice to be successful and awesome and never had to deal with shit like this?

Hamilton needs self-control I agree, the same kind of self-control you need when pontificating about something you’re obviously ignorant of.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally

you got me.

Hamilton is a powerless man, powerless to control anything.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 4, 2012 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

So you obviously didn't get ANY genes for lack of self-control

Not even the gene that forces you to type the last reply in.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 4, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 4, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

A post telling someone they have to get the last word in

is, in and of itself, an attempt to get the last word in.

And by your logic, shouldn’t you be praying for me to recover from my compulsive need to respond? It’s beyond my control, you should have sympathy for my plight!

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 4, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We weren't talking about severity of disorders

where the hell is your reading comprehension coming from today?

Look at the post RIGHT above yours…no one is talking about taking delight in anything, major or minor. All I’m saying is we don’t have to feel guilt or shame in winning because we played against less than the other team’s best if THEY don’t have to.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

1. Time stamp of the post right above mine is the same as my own.

2. I’m responding to the sentiment of all your posts in this thread in general

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Even the initial post you're responding to

in no way says the severity of the injuries is the same…just that Rangers fans don’t put an asterik next to 2010, and neither should we if 2012 plays out against them.

Also, as has been pointed out by someone else, this whole blog has been a safe haven for all wishing to mock the addictions of Ron Washington and Josh Hamilton for a couple years now. I’m not even doing THAT much today.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

They did it first … nanner nanner nanner… I’m telling mom!

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Feb 3, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally what I said

totally fair analysis.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

But just a little way above...
I merely said you cannot compare Adenhart’s death to Hamilton’s disorder. They are wholly separate issues.

then…

Rangers fans had no trouble mocking Kendry’s ankle and rolling to the 2010 AL West title because of it
screw’em.

So an alcoholic relapsing and a player injuring himself on the playing field ARE comparable?

Sorry, just looking for the thread of logic.

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" ~Groucho Marx

by George Kaplan on Feb 3, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, for about the third time

not what I said at all.

The point of the Morales issue being brought up wasn’t to compare injury, but to point out that we shouldn’t care about “beating their best” or feeling any tinge of guilt over beating a ‘lesser’ squad if Rangers fans don’t feel the need to put an asterisk next to 2010 when they beat less-than-our-best.

The REASONS for playing “less than their best,” in this case Morales’ ankle vs. Hamilton’s alcoholism, had nothing to do with what I was saying.

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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm staying out of this general argument

but the Halo’s would have fallen short in 2010 even if Kendry were healthy all year. That just wasn’t a very good team.

by dmhead on Feb 6, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I do indeed lack a set of balls.

Thanks for making up the difference, Rev.

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Why the Staubach hate Rev.?

I doubt most Rangers fans under 35 even know who Roger Staubach is….And certainly most of them wouldn’t have seen him play.

by Jack Frostt on Feb 3, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems we have a hunger

for this kind of news, but sometimes I wish writers would let these players deal with issues like this in private. Maybe I am hypocritical, but I am sure there are other stories that writers keep a lid on. Why cherry pick, or kick someone while they’re down. I would be nice to follow the writer around and report on what slob they are.

by bighig on Feb 3, 2012 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

I honestly don't understand the fascination

I get the “struggle with addiction” storyline, and understand that people can relate, but why does stuff like this become headline news?

“Man with Money Seen at Drinking Establishment” is somehow a big deal, yet “Average Joe Drinks Beers at (insert bar, frat house, club here)” isn’t. It’s as confusing to me as all of the celebutard reality shows out there that somehow remain in existence.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Feb 3, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

i love those celebutard reality shows.....

just last night on Jersey Shore Snooki pissed herself at a bar while dancing….. I look at that, then look around my shitty apartment, in the shitty neighborhood I live in, paid for by my shitty job that I can only get 20 hours a week at, then I shiver at the shitty New England winter, made all the worse by listening to shitty New England fans talk about football/baseball/chowder/Beer+fried chicken and I think….. well at least I dont piss myself in clubs

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I can see that aspect

I just don’t get people like my former roommate’s GF, who watches these things with genuine interest and tried to take up valuable DVR space with them (not if you don’t pay rent, sorry). Wealthy, usually aging, silicon queens throwing cocktail parties for themselves and playing passive-aggressive mind games with each other…MUST SEE TV?

These athlete substance issues are kind of similar in my opinion. They usually don’t need to be public knowledge.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah that does sound obnoxious

glad to see the “former” in the description of the roommate. But if that happens you just watch Snookie piss herself in a bar and think…. i might have to deal with a roommate who insists upon DVRing Real Housewives of Bangladesh, but at least I dont piss myself in bars

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, this winter isn't even bad.

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

i know its actually pretty friggen sweet.....

I was making it more as a point, but to be fair during the one snow storm we had two weeks ago I did have to shovel my car out 3 times in one day which sucked…..

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Were you here last winter? Or the one before that?

“that one snow storm we had two weeks ago”
Last winter laughs at you. Hell, I think even opiejeanne would laugh. She’s had a serious winter. (I’ve learned that if we make the choice to live in cold climes, we get little to no sympathy from HHers. In fact, Moondoggy might chime in and give us the weather report from Thailand. So unless you really want to hear that [I don’t], I’d not complain. /endPSA)

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry i think that post was lost in language

I have been here for the last 5 winters now and agree this winter has been incredibly mild. The point I was making about “that one snow storm” was how unfortunate it was that in the one storm we had this winter, I still had to dig out m car 3 times. And yes I recognize that in other winters I had to dig my car out many more times and that I should be grateful to have such a mild winter and enjoy the near 60 degrees it was a couple days ago, and that every winter is better than the one before it, winters arent like they used to be blah blah blah.

But I don’t settle for that. I still look back and remember the glory that were SoCal winters. Maybe that is way too much to ask for, but I wasnt really asking for HHer’s sympathy, I was more trying to demonstrate why I watch Jersey Shore.

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Hah, I got so reflexively defensive and justify-y

that I completely missed the Jersey Shore thing. It’s a self-preservation thing. I pretend I don’t care, but I’m deeply hurting that I’m not on sand right now. I mean, I really am ecstatic that this is a “mild” winter (my first in 13 years since leaving CA! YAY!!) but it’s still effing winter in the Northeast. My bad, ICH.

I have to confess, I will linger too long on any beach scene on any crappy TV show. I watched the season finale of the past Real World when I came across it because it showed a lot of my hometown (PB Promenade, yeah!). It’s pathetisad, really.

Good luck with the hooligan Pats fans.

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 4, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

no worries

Good luck with the Giants fans (unless you are one, in which case go Giants)

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 4, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

My 10-year-old nephew said he wants the Giants to win “because they’re Auntie Catie’s team.” So, if he says they’re my team, guess I have to root for them. :) OTOH, I hate when any NY team wins anything because bandwagon NY fans just get more obnoxious. Ah well. Thanks, anyway!

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 4, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Meanie

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 4, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a feeling something was going to happen

When I read that his accountability guy had quit. Wasn’t it his father-in-law? Alcoholics have it harder than us old drug addicts in a lot of ways. They have to watch people drinking and having fun everywhere they go and every time they turn on the TV. Then, some problem crops up and they have to fight the urge to easily walk into the nearest bar or liquor store. I’ve seen men build lives and become pastors and business leaders who relapsed and lost everything at the drop of a hat after years of living sober, productive lives. It’s 100% Josh’s fault he relapsed, but as someone who has been there and fights that fight, I empathize with the guy, know where he is and pray he will get back up. A righteous man isn’t one how never falls. A righteous man is one who keeps getting back up and moving forward after each time he falls. Godspeed, Josh.

by firebird81 on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

This freakin' guy.

Goes clean and makes a pledge to stay clean. Then he’s spotted having a drink. This dude got a second chance, which many of us don’t get, and people are feeling sorry for him. Sad part is he’s one of the few who get paid to play baseball and could throw all that away because he just can’t seem to shake his demons. Fuck that, seek professional help, Hamilton. Seriously.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I don't know how you can't feel sorry for a guy (regardless of who he is) who is trying, does good for a while and then slips.

You don’t know what drove him to fail. I have dealt with anger in the past, and every once in a while I will lose it… I still fall, but forgiveness is a key to pressing on and getting stronger. I think everyone has screwed up to some capacity, and will continue to do so… How many times do you forgive? I say, as many times as they ask for forgiveness. Addictions, and other sins are not easy to deal with.

Gotta get up, regroup, and press on.

12/8/11!!! What a day!

by stuck in Romania on Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Self-preservation.

These people who appear on TV lack that quality: athletes, actors, entertainers. The real world doesn’t work the way, yet it has for Josh. Addiction comes in many forms and it poisons the very sanity of people. The cure: show humility and discontinue behavior that got you to that point. I don’t believe that is something too hard to ask for.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, humility i think, works hand in hand with forgiveness...

It takes a humble man to admit that he’s screwed up. But once you do that, you gain strength. That’s not to say that you won’t fall again…

I guess I’d feel sorry for just about anyone (actor, athlete, neighbor, enemy, etc) who is genuinely trying to stay away from any evil (anger, addictions, gossip, lying, etc) and falls. I lose respect when that person just says “screw it all!” and becomes the person that they used to be… Though even then there is pity, but coupled with anger.

12/8/11!!! What a day!

by stuck in Romania on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm praying for him and his family

I hope he can get back on the wagon. He’s done a lot of hard work to get his life back on track, and that should be applauded. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone makes some mistakes more than once. For me, it costs me very little. For him, it could send him spiralling downward and cost him his job or his family.

I wish you played for a different team, Josh, but regardless, I hope you can recover from this.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

you dick

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Super Bowl this weekend

and homework
party at my house BYOB

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Otw

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

How about cake and eating it too?

Wish Josh & family the best.
Hope the media provides constant distractions for that team all year.

Kick Texas' Pujols!

by Halo Hurricane on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd for identification

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 3, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

A Tale of Two Halo Heavens

It was the best of PhiSlamma. It was the worst of PhiSlamma.

by Rock Island Line on Feb 4, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't worry about him when he's playing

It’s always the offseason when this stuff happens. I really worry about what might happen when he retires.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

He should definitely look into a Rex Hudler type career line

retirement could spell absolute demise to him and his family’s health. Poor dude.

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. He better get into coaching or broadcasting

One of the ways I keep myself sober is staying active. My demons are nowhere near his, but I have thought about what will happen when I’m older and can’t do all the things I do now.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

booze is worse on yor system than heroin

heroin is almost inert – the lifestyle around heroin is what kills you, the booze itself dranken long-term can kill you.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

As a medical scientist...

…I might beg to differ

I see red people

by The Limey on Feb 3, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Not belittling the dangers of alcohol...

…but the evidence on the relative dangers of these two drugs are fairly well described in the scientific literature. You could start here:

Nutt, D. J., King, L. A., Saulsbury, W. and Blakemore, C.(2007), ‘Developing a rational scale for assessing the risks of drugs of potential misuse’, The Lancet The Lancet,,369, 369,
pp.1047–1053.

Alcohol ranked very highly (5th out of 20), but heroin really is in a class of its own.

I see red people

by The Limey on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha.

D.J. Nutt

"You say this game go 9 innings...you lie!"

by Mayheminthehood on Feb 3, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

LA King? and DJ Nutt

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I want the Angels to beat him on the Diamond not in the bar

I hope he gets better

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

What about in the city of Diamond Bar?

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

God forbid the Angels moved there.

Then yes win there also

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Goes to show you just how real his problems are.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

am I dick?

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

YES

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 3, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

josh is a hothouse flower

his sobriety is a fragile, delicate thing that needs support and nurturing from all of us….poor baby…

by Zaius on Feb 3, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

Damn, DOV

you upped your game.

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Feb 3, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Josh Ham's sobriety is a cold blue Vagina?

I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.

by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Feb 3, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Artistic

Blue waffle?

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 4, 2012 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

rich people have heart attacks with all the cholesterol medication

the brain is an organ, just like the liver and heart, but unlike these there is no transplant available,

by Rev Halofan on Feb 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You still have to act on what the brain tells you

and there are plenty of actions taken between your home and the first sip you take at a bar.

plenty of people get and stay clean. And with less help at their disposal than Hamilton has. I can’t be expected to weep for a man who submits to his urges when he has infinitely much to gain by not doing so.

I don’t wish him harm, but it’s a waste of sympathy to go much further than that when plenty of people with less help have done more.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

@ Caseys Kiss of Death

“it’s a waste of sympathy…”

Shame on you.

"why do you we still have quitlin?" -VladdyG

by cupie on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Shame on you

for your condescension.

He’s had all the chances in the world, a support system in place rivaled by few, if any addicts in the world, and plenty to live cleanly for. His actions don’t hurt just him, but those around him. And he continues to make stupid choices. Alcoholism is a real disease. But you still choose to succumb it. I said I wish him no harm. Beyond that, there’s no shame in not tossing out sympathy to people who make conscious selfish choices that impact their own lives and those of the people they purport to care about.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 3, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Question:

Has anyone in your life dealt with something similar?

My brother has and I can assure you it is nothing to celebrate or wish upon anyone. You’re an asshole if you try to defend that.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You're making a pretty big effor to tell us why you're not a dick for not caring

and comparing it to a broken foot and/or belittling how serious an issue it is by saying Hamilton is pissing his life away and that he has control over it.

You’re entitlted to an opinion, but you didn’t answer my question: has anyone in your life dealt with something similar? People who haven’t tend to have a very different, overly simplified perspective on it

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

calling it like you see it...

Im with you

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I totally agree with you as well...

The only person who can help him is himself. Sometimes you can be your worst enemy.

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Preach on CKOD.

I am surprised at how much flak you’ve got. I do sincerely feel bad for Josh’s family, friends, children and wife, but when did self accountability go out the window? Josh has at his disposal the financial means and support necessary to fight his addiction, more so than any of us here i’m sure. I gotta admit, I feel less for Josh, than the addict that has no chance at help, or the sobriety that follows. And on a side note, that bum standing at the freeway offramp asking for handouts, or the person talking to themselves on park benches, also more than likely suffer from addiction. I wonder how empathetic most HH’ers are to their plight?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE...

by halofolife on Feb 4, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Free will.

At the end of the day people make choices on their own.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Feb 3, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Have your noticed you had a mosquito bite on your arm?

It hasn’t itched all day until you noticed it, but once you did you felt compelled to scratch it. Once you scratched it, you made it itch, so you scratch it some more. The more you scratch, the more it itches.

Eventually you have a huge pink area around the bite, it’s obvious to everybody, but the itching is driving you nuts so you keep scratching. Sooner or later a little blood comes out and what started as a little scratch turns into a huge mess.

That’s what drinking is like for problem drinkers.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually get what CKOD is saying that in all reality...

The “mosquito bite” in Jeff’s analogy, is in fact self-inflicted. We all make choices in this life, and we face the consequences/rewards of those choices sooner or later.

I feel sorry for people with addiction, but so much of that harm is self-inflicted through indivdual choice.

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Feb 3, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It was an analogy I learned in DUI class

It makes sense for those of us who start with a beer or two and can’t stop.

The bite wasn’t self inflicted, but the other behavior is.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why I can't buy the first beer

I have been bitten with the cant stop disposition. Addiction isn’t your choice. How you deal with it is.

by JeffJoiner on Feb 3, 2012 7:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's definitely down my alley.

I can go for weeks without drinking, but as soon as I have one, I can go for 12 hours straight, or for a few days. It sucks.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless you've been down that road,

don’t make sweeping assumptions about how stopping is as easy as realizing you have a choice and free will.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I was,

and when you are ready to. It is.

by eyespy on Feb 3, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Again,

“when you’re ready”

How does anyone know when they’re ready? When they lose their job? Marriage? Go to jail?

Relapse rate is like 95%. People are always ready, keeping it up is the hard part.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If someone has one drink in 365 days,

that’s 27/100ths of 1 percent of the time. (I think it is. You numbers people, feel free to correct me.)

If I find myself lucky enough to not screw up 99 percent of the time, even taking into account the very hard work that goes into not screwing up, I consider that a hard-fought, if minor, victory.

Then I screw up again. Not to get too hippie-dippy-yoga-girlI can’t help it, but I’ve learned that the important thing is getting back up, and doing every damn thing possible to not screw up again. I can’t imagine having to do that in front of millions of people, many of whom are hoping for my failure.

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 3, 2012 1:30 PM PST reply actions  

This is interesting commentary on our society...

Where one’s personal problems are his dirty laundry for everyone to see. That’s what being an athlete in the 21st century is, succumbing to media frenzy, making this everybody’s news.

My personal opinion is that yes, this is sad. But, it’s also Hamilton’s problem and he needs to figure it out and face the consequences like a man. I feel for those addicts (I’m a nurse and I get addiction- see it a lot). But maybe I also have become jaded, and I understand what Casey’s KOD is saying when he is saying, in effect, “Hamilton made his own bed, now he has to sleep in it.” I wish he and his family all the best in rectifying this ‘relapse.’

I think it’s sad to see this on the font page of ESPN, purporting to be a story about sports. That’s sort of twisted, isn’t it? It’s interesting what our society has become. This is “news” to everyone.

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Feb 3, 2012 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

WTF ^^^ This guy....

Hamilton or no Hamilton the Rangers finish in second place and Halo’s in 1st it makes no difference lol.

by OppoTaco25 on Feb 3, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

ballsy angle

lets see where this one leads

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

A harsh reality, but a reality nonetheless

Josh Hamilton is a famous and beloved millionaire who was lucky enough to have never crashed into anyone over the many years of drinking and using. Andrew Thomas Gallo was just some poor loser with a drinking problem… only he crashed into three people and will spend the rest of his best years in prison. I GUARANTEE you Josh Hamilton has logged many hours behind the wheel while intoxicated. But Josh’s next NA meeting will consist of him wiping a tear away and taking a newcomer chip. He’ll be fine. He won’t see the inside of a jail cell and he’s still a Ranger. Most addicts relapse a few times – it’s part of recovery.

"Bloody your hands on a cactus tree/
Wipe it on your dress and send it to me."

by Hutch83 on Feb 3, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll hold church down at the bar this Sunday...

We can pray for him over Miller High Lifes and Hot wings.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 4, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

That looks analog

GOD IS LIVING IN A DIGITAL AGE!

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 4, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Feb 4, 2012 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

(currently in Bahrain listening to a 5 prayers a day over loudspeakers)

by OCangels on Feb 5, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He got his license back!?

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I got some sway at the CA Med. Board.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I knew I kept you on the payroll for a reason.

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you mean "Perspective", not "Prospective"

Unless you’re referring to things happening sequentially in the future.

But I digress. Yes, ‘socially acceptable’ is exactly right. Pick your nose in private, not public. Give your 14 year old wine at home, not in a restaurant. Kill animals, not people. I’m addicted to jolly ranchers and road cycling. These are probably socially acceptable. Sadly, I don’t have a hot secretary. Hell, I wouldn’t mind having an ugly secretary, I could use the help. But I digress again.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 3, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Merits of your argument aside...

I’m gonna call you on picking on someone for a typo. That’s cheap, and you can do better.

by Rock Island Line on Feb 4, 2012 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, just having a little funn in an otherwise serious thread

I know he can write, so I blame spell-check if he wrote it off-line. Or a mini-stroke if he didn’t.

by Theren86n02 on Feb 4, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Same typo made 3 times is probably not a typo…just saying

by K3YEROUT on Feb 4, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, Im retarded

did not catch that for some reason. Oh well.

"DOV all the way
Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 4, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate the Rangers as much as the next Halo fan, but it's definitely crass to cheer the downfall of Josh,

or to make light of his disease.

I think we’re first and foremost humans before we’re baseball fans. Addiction overshadows rivalries. I know the rivalry is fun but using it as a weapon to tear a sick person down is shitty in my opinion.

I wish him the best as it’s an incredibly difficult struggle. I know this first hand as I’ve been dealing with my own alcoholism for the last five years or so. I wish I could just shut the cravings off like a switch but it’s a lot harder than that. No one should judge someone’s willpower or discipline unless they’ve been there themselves.

I respect everyone on this blog and I hope I can continue to do so.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

hwo is a downfall

he had a few beers
i think the steroids will still be working once the season starts

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 3, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get why...

everyone is blowing this situation up. Hamilton himself said it was no big deal that he just went to dinner and had about 3 beers. He’s at the top and I highly doubt he would go down that path again and destroy what he’s come so far for. Maybe if everyone didn’t make such a big deal and act sorry for the guy he can just put it in the past and get ready for some baseball spring is coming.

by OppoTaco25 on Feb 3, 2012 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think you followed the story very closely

He was at dinner with a member of his family—apparently, following some sort of intra-family dispute—and had “probably three or four drinks”.

It was then that he phoned Kinsler, who met him at the restaurant and took him away from that site to another place, where they talked for some time (and Hamilton didn’t drink at all). Then Kinsler gave him a ride to the car, where Hamilton told Kinsler he was fine and headed home. When Kinsler left, Hamilton went back inside the restaurant and had more drinks.

He stated flatly that when he drinks he becomes a belligerent drunk, though the exact number of drinks which gets him to that state can vary—“it could be the third, or the fifteenth.”

Since he is on probation by MLB—the condition of his being allowed back into the game after nearly losing it all in his early 20s—he could well have “destroy[ed] what he’s come so far for”. I doubt he’d be kicked out of the game, but he may well have to serve a lengthy suspension, during what is a contract year. Think he hasn’t already forfeited tens of millions of potential dollars in salary by his actions?

Don’t minimize this. It is much, much bigger than whether the Angels or Rangers win the AL West. He could very well have tanked his career by his actions, and even if he hasn’t, he will find himself on the shortest of leashes going forward.

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" ~Groucho Marx

by George Kaplan on Feb 3, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A career in which he's already made $13 million (according to BB-Ref)

I get what you’re saying here, but I still don’t feel his situation warrants any extra sympathy. I understand the power of certain temptations, but how much rope does one need to get out of the gutter? If it’s really that much of a problem for him, why not literally pay somebody to knock him out whenever he orders a drink and drive him home? With the unique resources available to Hamilton and the Rangers, this shouldn’t be a serious issue, at least in my opinion. I hope he gets over it, but step one starts with him sacking up and controlling himself.

As for the league’s concerns about this Ranger’s struggles…how many drinks do you think Mike Napoli has had in public tonight?

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by Commander_Nate on Feb 4, 2012 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

WIthout turning this into an Oprah show confessional

Alcoholism is nothing I have had to deal with personally, but it is all over Mrs K’s side of the family. I know that the folks involved are, at the core, good people who aren’t weak in their lives, except when it comes to restraint in using alcohol.

I don’t recall anyone here writing that Hamilton deserves any special consideration because he’s famous, or a ballplayer, or because he already makes a lot of money. I think the gist of the comments was that he wasn’t deserving of derision or mockery; nobody is, with alcoholism.

In the same way I hate to see anyone with alcohol or drug dependency let their lives and careers be derailed, this story distresses me about Hamilton. I have no problem hoping he strikes out with the bases loaded during his professional life, but I think he deserves the same compassion as anybody who is involved in a daily battle with alcoholism in his private life.

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by George Kaplan on Feb 4, 2012 3:38 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS TOO.

This was actually my first opinion on the subject before everyone started throwing roses and poor Joshy.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 3, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That's how I feel

Alcohol is not illegal, and if Josh wants to screw up his life, and career, with it. So let it be.

by eyespy on Feb 3, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree

this is between Hamilton, his family and the Rangers.

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-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Feb 4, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

LOLBAH?

When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs

by ItCouldHappen on Feb 3, 2012 7:38 PM PST reply actions  

I have some respect for Kinsler here.

I don’t think I’ll ever like the guy, but I give props for him showing up and trying to help his teammate. I’m reminded of the stories of Troy Percival trying to help out Speizio in the years after 02.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Feb 3, 2012 8:37 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

CKOD, BHM and clover are reminding me why I love this site right now

Summary of this story: “Grown, wealthy man drinks beers at a bar.”

Brutal honesty and cynicism abounds!

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by Commander_Nate on Feb 4, 2012 1:37 AM PST reply actions  

Really Nate?

Do you think some guy just having a beer would illicit this kind of response?

He’s a recovering alcoholic and he had a relapse of sorts.

He’s not just some guy having a beer. If that was the case, I’d wouldn’t be in therapy three times a week.

He’s on thin ice Nathan. I guess we’re all on thin ice. Like I told Casey, unless you’ve fought those demons, at least consider that before you brofist and marginalize people’s lives into a melange of schadenfreude.

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by RexTookMyStash on Feb 4, 2012 2:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I say that because that's all that happened. Hamilton admitted as much himself.

Nobody was hurt. He didn’t even do anything illegal. He had a few drinks when he shouldn’t have. That’s it. I don’t see why it requires press conferences, articles and so forth.

This is being blown out of proportion…mostly by people who aren’t Josh Hamilton.

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by Commander_Nate on Feb 4, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Stuff like this makes Seth MacFarlane

come up with awesome cartoon ideas. Lol

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by maze88 on Feb 4, 2012 1:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

they were his rules. He is the one that said no alcohol, so he broke the rules/ expectations

If he will break that rule, then it follows he is in a really bad mental state and isn’t far from being in a position where he would start using drugs again.

Perhaps its the strain of his father in law refusing to be the new guy to watch out for him, but whatever it is, the alcohol sure seems to be an intentional act to show he needs help still.

by Balls and Strikes on Feb 4, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

lol....

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 4, 2012 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

does he really need a press conf?

to tell everyone he is sorry
he should tell that to his family and the people who support him not the fans

Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME

by DAD OF VLAD on Feb 4, 2012 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

We shoulda had a pressser for Soth

To apologize for playing Mathis

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by maze88 on Feb 4, 2012 1:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

If you let your fanship get in the way of your humanity

You obviously HAVE no humanity to speak of. I don’t care how strong of an Angels fan I am, I can’t even bring myself to consider Josh Hamilton’s relapse to be positive all because he’d miss part of the season. His addiction is nothing to make light of. I’ve seen what nicotine addiction, alcoholism and drug abuse can do to people. Just because he plays left field for our rival does not make his case any less serious than that of anyone else. We ALL ought to take his problem seriously, and regardless of his impact on his team, we ALL ought to wish him the best in conquering his addiction. He tries, and he tries HARD, to overcome this. Two relapses in three years? That’s a pretty good percentage of sobriety, over 99% of the time.

The TL;DR version: Don’t mock or make light of Hamilton’s situation. His addiction is JUST as serious as anyone else’s. I wish him the best in his journey to forever kick his habit, and regardless of our status as fans, we all should do the same.

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by Of Maicer and Men on Feb 5, 2012 8:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

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