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Hope he doesn't follow Rick Vaughn's lead and start naming his pitches.

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They really never seem to pay any dividends. Didn’t Haren teach him a splitter last year?

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

I think that was Pinata and Santana

Kendrys wins 2012 AL Comeback Player of the year

by Morales8 on Feb 21, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Pinata was learning a Santana?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah Ervin was trying to learn the splitty last season.

“My fingers are long enough I think. It’s definitely an out pitch.” I don’t think he threw a single one.

by Halowitz on Feb 21, 2012 4:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't know it was a splitter at the time, but i used to throw one.

I have normal, not long fingers, and I would sort of have the ball jammed between my stubby digits, and throw without a lot of “wrist”. The ball sort of pops out of your hand, and though you’ve thrown it as hard as a fastball, it does run out of steam, but the spin is also sort of “dead”, not the tight spin of a fastball, and gives it a sort of bump, or loop in its trajectory, so it does more than just run out of gas… it sort of has a glitch in its path, then it dies. And if you want it to go in on right handers you apply a little more pressure on the index “right fork” finger.

I can see how having long fingers that can grip and control the ball more would actually screw this pitch up. Funny, when I first learned it, there were coaches out there saying that the splitter hurts your arm…. now I never hear that, and the catcher and I just called it a “change up #2” when he asked for it. I had a crap change up, so I needed this pitch.

I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.

by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Feb 21, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They can in some scenarios

The problem is that you have to have the right person to teach it to you. Some pitchers are savants and can just pick this stuff up. Most need to be taught by someone who really knows his stuff. The White Sox have been VERY successful in teaching their pitchers how to throw an effective cutter. It’s the reason why they’ve been able to get so much production out of guys everybody assumed were 4th or 5th starter types.

I applaud Weaver for trying to learn it, but I hope he doesn’t screw up anything in the process.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm surprised he thinks he needs one considering he already throws 4 fastballs

2 & 4 seam, bp, and the no-seamer that Shields taught him, and they’re all effective.

by Halowitz on Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

how does a no-seamer work?

never heard of it.

hula dula da dominoes rula.

by DanishThunder on Feb 21, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No idea how it actually works

But it’s the 90mph fastball that breaks sharply to the right and gives Weaver most of his (looking) Ks.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 21, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

first two fingers together within the horseshoe of the seams, not touching any

Thus, ‘no-seam’. I think the action is standard for a fastball with maybe pronating your hand inside or outside.

by Halowitz on Feb 21, 2012 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

oh shit, reply fail.

i could have sworn that was i 2-seamer, by holding it like a horseshoe. nonetheless, sounds pretty rad. now, back to more grip research.

hula dula da dominoes rula.

by DanishThunder on Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Those pictures look

like they were taken by Abner Doubleday.

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

They may very well have been.

There’s nothing ol Abner didn’t do. Except invent baseball.

by Halowitz on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

have never heard of a forkball either.
this is awesome. thanks!

hula dula da dominoes rula.

by DanishThunder on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Chuck Finley used to throw a forkball

Although they started calling it a splitter later on in his career. Who knows what it actually was. I just know that early in his career they called it a forkball.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Feb 21, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

i loved finley

And his 4 ko innings

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 21, 2012 11:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

As I understand it,

The splitter has more velocity and rotation but dives at the plate because it doesn’t have the same steam as a true fastball, and a fork is closer to a changeup with consistent trajectory and the deceptive top-to-bottom spin of a fastball.

by Halowitz on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And you throw it with a fork sticking out of it

illegal, but awesome pitch.

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Just compare the signature lines. Phi’s is terrible, just like his skidmark…errr…"mohawk". "

by PhiSlamma on Feb 21, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

There is also the Sporkball...

same idea but rarer. I think it has less cutting action.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 21, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Posts like ^above^ are reason No. 458,304,758

that I <3 you guys and HH.

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 22, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Hi, LB!

How’ve you been?

"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11

by cath619 on Feb 22, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Hi Cath!

Been good. So, so ready for baseball!

by LanaBanana on Feb 22, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

You've never heard of a forkball?

Do you watch baseball or just comment on baseball blogs?

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 21, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Biff! Pow!! ZOWIE!!!

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Feb 22, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, i don't watch and just comment.

so what’s your point?

hula dula da dominoes rula.

by DanishThunder on Feb 22, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

You're gonna see a lot more forkballs this year.

Yu Darvish’s is outstanding.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I care less about Weaver's cutter than I do Walden's change-up.

That pitch is going to be VERY important in the following years.

Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle

by 5thStarter on Feb 22, 2012 12:26 AM PST reply actions  

Amen to that

Seeing him try to blow by people over and over again as counts went from 0-2, to 1-2, to 2-2, was agonizing. Percy had that great change to ekep players honest,, and while Walden has a slider, I think a good change would really elevate his game. Having that kind of gas and being able to take 10 or so off of it is just evil.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Feb 22, 2012 4:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Percival didn't have that changeup until halfway through his career

He did the same thing when he started that Walden did last year. Just threw gas with an occasional show-me curve. Once in a great while, the curve would be a strike and I would think how unfair it was that he could do that to a hitter.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Feb 22, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

"I don't think I have to prove myself to make the team this year," he said.

What a pompous a-hole. ;)

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

That made me

chuckle quietly to myself.

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Old News

Months ago I read a Sports Illustrated article about the cutter, featuring Haren mainly. Haren said back then that Weaver was working on a cutter, and Haren told him not to pursue it. He was already good and the cutter might mess with his other pitches. You turn to the cutter when your other pitches begin to fail.

by Rock Island Line on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

Weave can call it anything he wants...

…as long as the plate ump calls it “strike three!”

Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!

by Stirrups on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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