Thursday Halolinks: Previewing the 25-Man Roster, Mike Trout Not There
Yo-eleven. Less than 12, more than 10 days until pitchers/catchers report Halolinks:
- NBC Sports is doing a feature on each team's projected opening day 25-man rosters; here's what they have on the Halos: Running down the rosters: Los Angeles Angels - HardballTalk. "Texas still has more depth and minor league talent to play with, but the Angels have the better rotation and now arguably the game’s best hitter anchoring the lineup." I'm a little concerned with the drop-off of talent the Angels have after #5 starter Jerome Williams, but I hate to say it, I wasn't aware of how weak the the bullpen looks until reading in this post. The only new addition to last season's staff was 39 year-old LaTroy Hawkins, and unless the club signs one of the few remaining free agents (Luis Ayala), or one of their current relievers has a breakout season (I'm betting on Rich Thompson), the pen may be the Angels downfall in 2012.
- Mark Saxon's continued look at each position: Position previews: Left field - ESPN Los Angeles. There was some minor rumblings about the Vernon Wells/Mike Trout situation in left field, but Saxon gets a definitive answer, "Nothing gets Angels fans more riled up than thinking about left field; specifically, the brutal 2011 season of left fielder Vernon Wells.... Which figures to make the following comment by general manager Jerry Dipoto like nails on a chalkboard to some fans: "Vernon's our left fielder." Dipoto made that statement Wednesday, when I asked him whether there will be a measure of competition for the spot this spring." It sounds like Trout will start the season in Utah, "Guys who make their debuts as teenagers are in a selective class. He's got a huge upside and we'll make sure he gets his reps. With our current setup, there's no reason to rush him," Dipoto said.
- And speaking of teenagers, here's an interesting post from FanGraphs: High School Draftees and Elite Seasons - FanGraphs Baseball. A couple of telling stats point out the difference in drafting HS and college players, "79% of collegiate first-round draft picks reach the major leagues for at least one day. 62% of high school first-round draft picks reach the major leagues for at least one day. 32.8% (77 of 235) of elite players were drafted out of high school. Compare that to the 45.9% (108 of 235) that attended some sort of college, and we are left with the conclusion that high school players are not worth the risk. The increased reward of an increased likelihood of drafting an elite player is simply not corroborated by the numbers. Not only do collegiate players reach the big leagues at a higher rate, but collegiate players also make up the vast majority of the elite players in the MLB since the 2000 season."
- MORE LINKS AFTER THE BREAK...
And...
Jeremy Affeldt: Master Of Irony - Hot Corner - Baseball Nation. "Affeldt's made $9 million the last two years, and will make another $5 million this year. He knows that 46 million Americans are using food stamps to get by, and complaining about the price of groceries is poor form when you're a millionaire. Unless you're being ironic."
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I dont think JDP is done
Gotta think one of the inevitable trades in the future will bring a reliever with it.
RIP Nick Adenhart
pleaseeee
Sign another veteran relief pitcher..Rich Thompson scares me
me and the wonder dog got high!
by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 8:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
imposter
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
Why?
128 ERA+, 9.3 K/9, 2.8 K/BB. I was actually pissed off I didn’t see him out there more often last season.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Feb 9, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
wish i could list
the batters he did that too.. he’s a mop up reliever you can’t trust in key situations
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 9:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
ummm
I think they were professional baseball players who play in the highest league in the world. But that’s just from memory. But seriously, over the past two years he has been brilliant in the majors. A 285 ERA+ in 2010 and 128 last year. His WHIP and H/9, K/9, BB/9 and K/BB are all indicative of him being a very good, sub 3 ERA guy.
hes been in the majors 5 years
and barely has a 100 innings pitched.. isn’t clutch and has zero dominating pitches..he’s a below avg middle relief pitcher..
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You must be watching different games than me
And define “clutch”.
I’m not saying he’s the greatest guy we have, but he is useful, gets outs often enough and was worth almost a full win last year in what was really his first full season’s worth of work. I don’t see him as someone who needs to be replaced.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
just saying thompson
can be easily upgraded through free agency. Shields out of retirement is a better option. He faces a lot of 6-9 batters with little success.
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is the list of remaining FA relievers
Right-handed relievers
David Aardsma (29)
Luis Ayala (34)
Danys Baez (34)
Jason Isringhausen (39)
Scott Linebrink (35)
Ramon Ortiz (39)
Tony Pena (30)
Michael Wuertz (33)
Left-handed relievers
Mike Gonzalez (34)
Damaso Marte (37)
Arthur Rhodes (41) – Type B
I really don’t see any definite upgrades here. Aardsma possibly, but that’s hardly a lock.
yea and Aardsma is coming of some injury as he didn't even play last season
Not sure he is a FA since he is in his last year of Arb this year anyway.
by MoralesHomers on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Which of the available relievers MMP listed makes the best "Clutch Face"?
You know, like the face Rick Vaughn makes in Major League? The face that makes everyone want to forget about the curve ball and just bring the heater?
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by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
yea holding batters over his career (and really only 1 year has he had more than 20 IP) in the 7-9 spot at a .254 average is pretty bad. Also the one year with a season in the MLB he held that same group to a .205 average.
The area he struggles the most with is actually the #6 hitter and besides that does pretty well against the rest of the lineup no matter batting position.
by MoralesHomers on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what you have against Thompson
He’s been one of our best relievers the past couple years. He has good control, which is huge from a reliever. He’s not going to blow you away with his pure stuff, but he can put his pitches where he wants them, and that counts for a lot.
Of course, we can’t forget that he’s not “clutch,” which is certainly a problem.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
ehhh
Just my personal opinion..I’ve never really seen anything other than average from him.
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you just throwing random thoughts out there?
Absolutely no facts back up your “opinions”
Very Lyle Spencer-ish.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much just random thoughts
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 2:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In that case,
McAnulty leads our team in upside.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Feb 9, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Thats backside, not upside rex
Theres a BIG difference between the two with mcanulty
by Balls and Strikes on Feb 9, 2012 5:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That's the kind of faulty logic that results in a Fernando Rodney signing.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
rodney was a disgrace to the angels
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You want a reliever that is clutch and has dominating pitches.
Rodney, when we signed him, was coming off a year where he had a 97% save percentage and a 97 mph fastball.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
His fastball sounds unhittable.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he's unwatchable.
That’s one way to “change the batter’s eye level” so maybe it does translate into unhittable.
Some guy at Del Taco just told me Dipoto should jump at the chance to get him.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
What will it take to get him
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Feb 9, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
$12m over 2 years, but you have to non-tender your most effective reliever to make room on the roster for him.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
Rodney might have been a disgrace
but someone like you just “sorta liked him” instead of looking more deeply at the numbers and look at how well your “just something” methodology works.
i never "sorta" liked rodney
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rodney was...
pretty bad because his mechanics were all off and he had zero confidence. I wouldn’t be at all suprised to see the Ray’s have him turn it around they’ve done that with a few of their arms i.e. (Farnsworth, Peralta, Cruz)
Rodney also was pretty bad because he wasn't very good to begin with.
He’s had 2 out of 9 major league seasons with ERAs below 4 and 2 seasons with WHIPS below 1.3. 2005 and 2006, in both cases.
His walk rate explosion in 2011 was kind of out of nowhere(other than the relievers are unpredictable thing), but his 2011 was pretty much right in line with what he was in 2010.
This^^^
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
I've been getting more and more anxious when each day passes without bringing another reliever in
"And is terrible at everything that matters." – Keith Law’s response to Lyle Spencer describing Jeff Mathis.
Do you realize how much food a family of 5 eat?
now realize that family is part Italian, food cost just double,
I love my wife but rice and white bread is fine
Forget Tebow
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When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
by ItCouldHappen on Feb 9, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeremy Affeldt
can say whatever he wants. His has fed more poor/homeless than I ever have.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
The Affeldt thing is making something out of nothing
I definitely get annoyed about millionaires complaining about anything, but his comment just struck me as an off-the-cuff observation that was meant to be funny. I don’t think he was actually complaining. I can see how some would think it’s in poor taste, but I don’t think he meant it as anything other than humor.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Agreed
Things like organic food and green energy have become too political/idealogical nowadays. Apparently it’s ok to make fun of high ballpark food prices, but don’t touch the precious organic produce.
Rob Neyer is a complete dipshit and a horrible writer.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Feb 9, 2012 9:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Correction
$ESPN_WRITER is a complete dipshit and a horrible writer.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the path with Wells and Trout -- and will get lit up for this comment
Wells was gripping the bat so hard last year, sawdust was squeezing out between his knuckles. Trout looked like he could use a little more seasoning.
Best case scenario is that Wells relaxes, puts up decent numbers, Trout gets some seasoning and holds off arbitration for another year.
Worst case scenario is that Wells gets off to a horrible start and Trout is in Salt Lake primed from playing every day.
Wells is awful and done being a useful major leaguer.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
I hope your are wrong, but wouldn't bet against it
Dipoto giving him a pat on the back and taking some pressure off him can only help, though.
His only use is as half of a platoon that only plays against LHPs.
.284/.320/.531 last year versus lefties. He’s a $21m part-timer.
The only thing VW did differently last year than the year before, besides inflate his stats by playing half his games in Toronto, is buy into the Scioscia/Hatcher philosophy that a walk is as good as an out. 2011: .218/.248/.412. 2010(road stats): .224/.299/.400.
yes, actually
because he still works for the angels getting dennis kuhl his coffee
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
And part of that worst case scenario is wells suck for a month is enough to cost us the division at the end of the season
Its going to be a tough division, we need every win we can get.
by Balls and Strikes on Feb 9, 2012 5:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
True
More reason to try and help him succeed right away. He’s going to get a shot at the start of the year.
by JeffJoiner on Feb 9, 2012 7:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
With Soths old man love? Wells'll get to suck at least 2 months before replacement.
Similarly, remember when he angrily benched Mathis for about 4 games? He just can’t bench “his boys”.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Feb 9, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Sign Oswalt
Move Williams and Richards to the pen
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had adsorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No, I believe his tissue has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby."
Wouldn't surprise me that that's Richards' future.
I think Williams excels as a starter.
Yea id much rather see Williams as a starter than a reliever if last year was any indication of him in both roles.
by MoralesHomers on Feb 9, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
2.31 ERA in 39 innings as a sarter
14.40 ERA in 5 innings as a releiver.
he also gave up 4 HRs as a reliever and 2 as a starter
Sample size is way too small to mean much, but he definitly did seem like a different player out of the ’pen those few times
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Feb 9, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yea it is a small sample size.
But as you said he looked different and the results and control were better it seemed.
by MoralesHomers on Feb 10, 2012 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
this would be the ideal scenario
A bp with cassevah, downs, hawkins, walden, richards, and Williams would be nasty.
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by YOUknowulovetheIE on Feb 9, 2012 10:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
That would be sick.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see any reason why Oswalt wouldn't want to play for us,
unless he hates sunny weather and winning.
I don’ t think he’s going to get $10MM though. With that kind of money, he could afford to shop at Whole Foods.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Feb 9, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Play on, Mr. Hamilton. Play on.
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions
Oswalt is looking for a 1 year deal
how much is he trying to get?
From what i understand it's been less about the money.
And more about the teams/cities he will not play for/in.
Close to his home in Missouri or something
so California probably wouldn’t do
Kendrys wins 2012 AL Comeback Player of the year
we don't have enough biscuits and screened in porches and shit
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Feb 9, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
We have plenty of biscuits at Carl's Jr.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
If we could woo him over to the Angels
then that automatically gives the Angels the best rotation in baseball.
Kendrys wins 2012 AL Comeback Player of the year
It needs to be BETTER, dammit
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I just want to announce that.....
much like about 40 major leaguers who either got fat or hurt last year, I AM IN THE BEST SHAPE OF MY LIFE and am looking forward to spring training.
I love this team, I love this blog, I will never doubt Arte again and I can't wait to see what happens this year. That is all.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Feb 9, 2012 10:10 PM PST reply actions
Oswalt should be WOOED by...
the idea of playing in 3 very pitcher friendly ballparks (Big A, Safeco, Colesium), against 2 subpar teams (Oakaland and Seattle) , and being able to play with a contender while in a great city. I mean if he really wants to pitch for a team that could increase his value to possibly earn a bigger contract next season then the Angels would be his best bet. Hey maybe he might even just be waiting for the Halos to offer him a contract and that’s the reason he hasn’t signed yet haha but then again maybe not.

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