Beane-eater koolaid
Seriously, watch these people try to go all PECOTA and Zips and Marcel on my ass, trying to tell me I'm stone-crazy for thinking Kelvim Escobar is going to be better than whatever effin' computer is predicting him to have a 3.91 ERA over 101 innings.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/si_donovan4/
Shredder/Seitz had my back, but that's about it. What's especially fun is how these cultists try to dress up their Hallelujahs in the language of Unquestionable Mathematics.... Man, it's gonna be fun to beat them again.
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Let's hope you're right, Matt
Let Oakland Celebrate
And Billy Beane is a genius. he picked upa 5th starter for 1 year, 8.5 million - OH WAIT, no no, that wa us, Billy Beane picked up Waased Up Esteban Loaiaza for 3 years, $21 million - oh that was awful. Better let them enjoy their cake and ice cream, March is almost here.
Were they celebrating the WS last Feb.
by jcase on Feb 21, 2006 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
INJURIES
by Rev Halofan on Feb 21, 2006 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit excuse?
Yes, the Dodgers, Giants and some other teams had many injury problems, as did the Angels at times- but you're saying we can't put some of the A's problems from last season on half season absences from their #1 starter, starting shortstop, and starting DH? Take your blinders off.
Let me make my stance even clearer- the Angels are not a bad team, and have an incredible farm system. The team they are putting on the field for 2006, however, is poised to collapse. They might surprise us with a decent run, but the offense has to be clicking on all cylinders to do so. They will be a far better team when Wood replaces Cabrerra, and when they put some guys who can get on base in front of Vlad.
by jcase on Feb 21, 2006 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
You could engage in an intelligent discussion
by jcase on Feb 21, 2006 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
I am impressed that your parents raised you to have such high expectations of people. Sorry to be unable to live up to your unreasonable illusions about the human capacity for tolerance.
Actually
by jcase on Feb 21, 2006 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't this why
by Zonis on Feb 21, 2006 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
aw shucks!
see you at the Star Wars convention.
Laughing all the way to the bank
Zonis
by mheumann on Feb 23, 2006 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
by Mr Sabermetric Spock on Feb 23, 2006 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Inviting?
tighter than you think, Mr. Jones
Don't be surprised when that Angels "decent run" ends with a third straight division championship and Oakland again scratching their heads looking for answers in their biometronic light-saber stat sheets and 20-sided dice.
You wanted an argument?
Maybe if you supported that, we'd have something to argue about. There is exactly one (1) way the Angels could conceivably collapse next year, and that's if the 2004 MVP & the 2005 Cy Young winner both get hurt. If it's only Vladi, then Juan Rivera will fill in capably (if not spectacularly), and the team will rely on an excellent pitching staff and solid defense. If it's only Colon, there's a cat named Jered Weaver itching for a shot.
Seriously, who on the team is "poised to collapse"? The only regular older than 32 is Garret Anderson (34), and he reportedly lost 20 pounds in the offseason & is in excellent shape (and if he gets injured, there's an arguably better player -- Rivera -- waiting to come in). If the 32-year-old (Erstad) gets hurt, we'll have to put Figgins in CF & McPherson at third. Horrors! Kennedy's knee is finally healthy & he's in a walk year. Cabrera's mediocre offense has been stable over the past two years, and there's no lack of talent behind him.
They might surprise us with a decent run, but the offense has to be clicking on all cylinders to do so.
The offense should be significantly improved at CF, DH & 1B; somewhat improved at 3B, about the same at LF, RF, 2B & SS; and worse at C.
you didn't address the added improvements of Bradley and Loaiza.
Lemme give it a whirl. Bradley, at age 28, has played more than 101 games in a season exactly once, due to a combination of physical and emotional problems. Two teams, including one that had the exact same delusions as you do now, felt forced to give up on him, and trade him for dirt. He prefers to play CF, but won't be allowed to. And he'll be taking ABs away either from noted hothead Jay Payton or noted clubhouse cancer Frank Thomas. Depending on Milton -- who I am terribly fond of, and rooting for -- is like depending on the lottery.
Esteban Loiaza has been a league-average pitcher just twice in the last five years (and one of those he was just barely, with an ERA+ of 105). He is 34 years old. His best comps are filled with guys who collapsed between ages 32-36 (Nagy, Portugal, Reynolds, Valdez, Astacio). Away from the friendly caverns of RFK last year his ERA was 4.71, and opponents hit .306 against him. His contract will be another millstone around Beane's neck.
Don't get me wrong, the A's look great. But if you ask us to bow down to the mathematical certainty that Oakland rules & the Angels are "poised to collapse," don't be surprised that a site called Halos Heaven, moderated by a half-insane punk-rock artist named Rev. Halofan, will not treat your comments with the sobriety you apparently crave.
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I don't get it...
Agree on Escobar
It was funny to hear that idiot Dave Campbell on a mid-week ESPN broadcast in 2004 (I think the Halos were playing the Rangers)proclaim that Escobar had been "struggling." Here is the kind of guy who picks up the newspaper and looks at a guy's won/loss record and thinks he can make statements about him without actually watching the dude pitch start after start. As we all remember Escobar had practically NO run support that season. He lost innumberable games by scores of 2-1, or 1-0. But idiots like Dave Campbell will say he's "struggling" because he has a .500 record.
difference between Escobar and Washburn...
can't agree more
by mdangel on Feb 22, 2006 2:34 PM PST reply actions
Bobby Crosby
'PHOENIX -- Bobby Crosby's right shoulder is bothering him again, and the Oakland Athletics are concerned.
'"I started feeling tight about seven days ago," the shortstop said Wednesday. "I think I did it lifting weights at home. When I first started throwing, I said, 'That hurts.'"
'Crosby has been examined by Oakland team physicians and Dr. Lewis Yocum, an arm specialist who works for the Los Angeles Angels.'
Link:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/2006-02-23-al-notes-crosby_x.htm
"It might just be tendinitis," Crosby said. "Hopefully, the next time I'll throw, it will feel perfect."
That shoulder is the great wild card for the A's
Rotations: I think it's a toss up. There has been a lot of talk about Escobar and I think he's the big wild card for the Angels. He's got killer stuff and the New Contract Smell has carried guys like Pavano and Wright to previously unrealized heights so it's entirely possible Escobar could pitch like an ace... then again "consistency" isn't a word used a lot to describe his performance.
I love the Weaver signing (especially if the story is true that he told Boras to shut the fuck up and get him signed with the Angels) while Colon and Lackey form a strong 1-2 at the top. Santana is going to have more growing pains but he's another guy with nasty stuff.
The bullpens are about even if K-Rod can get his walks back under control.
Offensively the teams could go in several directions. Oakland is loaded with potential and question marks. The Angels have Vlad (who should have been a Dodger dammit!) Figgins and some serious concerns. Erstad's bat plays much better in CF than 1B but he got moved to the infield because he couldn't stay healthy for a whole season while playing in the outfield. I know you guys love Kotchman but I'm not sure he's going to have the power you'd like to see at 1B. McPherson has a ton of power but he can't make contact.
The one area I give Oakland an edge is depth. I nearly did a spit take when you said you could replace Vlad with Juan Rivera. C'mon. And you're only half right about the AAA rotation. It is stacked with legitamite prospects but I doubt any of them would be ready to help if the Angels needed a SP in the 1st half of the season. Weaver struggled with his control in AA and got lit up in the AFL. Saunders didn't show anything in his AAA debut to indicate he was ready for the Show and Shell didn't exactly dominate AA last season. You need reinforcements come July... I think you'll find whatever you need in Salt Lake.
Should be a fun year.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
If it is pitching we need our Minor League depth will bring us an arm in a trade.
Casey will amaze you with how many homers he hits.
All of Erstad's (severe) injuries have been from running on the basepaths.
Juan Rivera is still young, no Vlad, but I'd take a full season of him.
And I am impressed with your politeness, Grover, and like how you can articulate your position without being smug. Am i right in assuming that there is no way you live North of Coalinga.
Well north of Coalinga
And I'm already amazed by Kotchman's HR totals. I'm amazed that any 1B prospect who has hit so few bombs is so highly regarded. 28 doubles and 17 HRs in just under 500 AB isn't that impressive to me... although I was a little surprised that he actually stayed healthy for a whole season.
And before you say "Daric Barton" know that I'm not sold on him either.
What I've seen and read from scouting reports about rivera reminds me of what I saw and read about Eric Byrnes. You can get quality numbers in 400 ABs or so, but you'll end up disappointed if you play him a full season. Hey, if you're willing to sit Vlad for the season to find out what Rivera's capable of... I've got no problem with that plan.
Absolutely you can trade from your stockpile of MI prospects to get another arm if you need one. But that's certainly not the ideal solution.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Grover:
We're not expecting Kotchman to be a homerun hitter; just a polite 15-20 a season, as long as the OBP is north of .350 or .360 at first, and higher later. One of our keys this year is not to freak out if we're 7 games behind in May & the kids aren't hitting....
Kotchman
It was kinda like eating Chinese food.
Besides, if Dan Johnson is hitting 25 HR with an OBP pushing .380 over in Oakland you KNOW you're going to be jealous.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah
Or where you talking about Angels fans freaking out?
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Angels fans
Yeah...
Gee Rev
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 25, 2006 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck Frank Thomas
And I've never drunk the kool-aid.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 25, 2006 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well then
or
a Bobby Crosby's Goann Be Healthy Orange Ding Dong
or
an Eric ShhhhhhuVEz can carry the team Rootbeer Float
C'mon Rev
So don't worry about Bradley.
Crosby is healthy. The real question is: Will he take out anymore of his teammates? Surely you wouldn't be willing to dismiss Kotchman's injury past and not excuse Crosby for suffering freak baseball related injuries?
And Chavez... well, I'll save you the trouble. He's not the kind of guy who can carry a team for a season. He's not Vlad or Pujols or Ortiz. But he can be damn good and the rest of the A's roster looks like it's much stronger than last year.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 25, 2006 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Call it kool aid
by Rev Halofan on Feb 25, 2006 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Ya gone 'round the bend, Rev
Bradley's attitude wasn't a prob in 2004 when the Dodgers were winning, and like it or not the A's have won more games than they've lost every year for the past few seasons.
Croz is healthy. He was throwing yesterday and said he felt fine.
I don't know if Chavez is supposed to be Bert or Ernie or Cookie Monster, so please, come back towards the light.
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 26, 2006 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
No
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 26, 2006 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
It is a Sesame Street Reference
Yeah, Rev
by grover @ Halos Heaven on Feb 26, 2006 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Numbers are fun...
I'm just saying, take these preseason numerical and hypothetical predictions with a grain of salt.
Also, Rev, on Weaver vs. "Waased Up" Loaiza. Just thought I'd let you know, not sure why you threw the contract dollars in there. Weaver's contract (at $8.5 mil per) > Loaiza's at ($7 mil per).
Weaver has a good arm, and his stuff can be filthy, but he has a fragile psyche. I think he's just one of those guys that excels in smaller media markets (such as when he was an ace in Detroit), but is a risk when he's in one of the biggest media markets in the nation (LA). I remember when he was traded to New York, the NY media plagued him. From what I've seen (citing the extreme pressure Mr. McCourt is under) the LA media will be unforgiving of Weaver if he can't get it done in pressure situations.
So, Anaheim paid $1.5 million more for Weaver, of whom once you get inside his head, he's toast, but somehow it's a better deal? I'll give you that he'll have less pressure pitching in the 5th slot, but I still don't see the LA media going easy on him if he slips.
I scratched my head at the Loaiza deal, but I mean, what can I do but put faith in my team's braintrust. I think that in the pitcher's park that is the Coliseum, Loaiza has the potential to have a good season, but we're not expecting Cy numbers out of him.
This is not to say that Loaiza for sure will have a better season than Weaver, but I just feel that Anaheim might have overpaid.
by jlaff @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 2:48 PM PST reply actions
AGREED
Not sure if you noticed
And being rich doesn't always translate into quality players. Schott being one example, and I know other owners' high priority is turning a profit, not winning a World Series.
Having said that, I know Arte is a great owner for the Angels. He shelled out the bucks for Vlad, who is arguably one of the best players in the game today. Just curious, what is your take on the Los Angeles situation? Do you think it should've been left Anaheim, or do you support the Angels trying to move more into LA's public eye?
BTW... the Glaus illustration... looks pretty trippy.
by jlaff @ Halos Heaven on Feb 23, 2006 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm Pro - Arte
But I was referring to the NEW owner of the A's,, the old guy who owns the Gap, not his puppet Wolfie, I just read rationalization after rationalization about the Angels always mentioning Arte's money. One example - that our farm system is strong due to money shelled out for Kendry Morales and Nick Adenhart - very good point, but so what? Oaky-Choaky's owner has more money than Arte but wants to cut the upper deck off to squeeze a little more gren to go with his gold instead of open the floodgates for trophies.
Look it up - The dude from the GAP is richer than Steinbrenner, richer than Arte.
Gap Guy
My friend and I used to sit in the bleachers at the Coliseum (back when they had real bleachers, before Al's Erection). So my friend thought it would be cool to invite John for a game (we really didn't know totally who he was). John and my friend had become buddies when they sat together because my friend had a knack for getting the players to throw him balls. Anyways the night we went to the Giants game John wasn't at the game, it was the opening night at the Opera (which is a huge social event in SF). But one of the folks that directly works for him was in his seats. So my friend gave the lady the tickets asking to give them to John. So the game day comes around (midweek day game IIRC) and John isn't there, but he sends someone in his place to thank us for the tickets and let us know that he is sorry that he couldn't make the game as he had other things going on. This was over 10 years ago and he was an owner of the giants at the time.
Class act all the way.
by skwid on Feb 24, 2006 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
MEDIA
Loaiza is a lot of years older than Weaver.
Sempai~Kohai
I was thinking that the BroWeave'll would keep them selfs in check.
Little Weav wants to do better than Big Bro. Elder Weav won't want to embarrass the family name.
Plus with Buddy controlling things makes me feel safe. He proved it last season, with "Big" John, didn't he.
The Big Hurt's Left Foot
'"It isn't like this was unexpected, but Frank Thomas' foot has been declared "not a normal foot" by the A's medical staff . . . .
'Thomas' twice-broken navicular bone, while being declared as good as it can be under the circumstances, still makes his left foot an eternally day-to-day matter . . . .
'Thomas' foot, however, is equally balky, and that's taking the Athletics' cheery diagnosis at face value. Dr. Jerrald Goldman, whose shingle includes an A's logo, said Thomas would be ready for Opening Day at his present rate of recovery but cautioned that the injury could reoccur no matter how careful either he, or they, are . . . "'
For more:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/26/SPGIEHEQJD1.DTL
"He's the Oakland A's Problem . . . ."
'We don't miss him, by the way," Williams said. "If you go out there and ask any one of my players or staff members, we don't miss him.
'"We don't miss his attitude. We don't miss the whining. We don't miss it. Good riddance. See you later."'
[skip]
'He brought us to this point. So, OK, you want to play this game? You've got it. You got it. He's the Oakland A's problem right now . . . ."'
Link:
haaaa
DON'T FORGET JAY
But, hey, chemistry is not important...
by Rev Halofan on Feb 26, 2006 11:23 PM PST up reply actions

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