Lackey Wants Kennedy, Erstad to Stay
By Mike DiGiovanna, Times Staff Writer
September 27, 2006
If the opinion of the pitcher who will be a rotation cornerstone for years to come carries any weight, the Angels should think long and hard before allowing two respected veterans, second baseman Adam Kennedy and first baseman Darin Erstad, to leave as free agents this winter.
"The organization is going to have to be real careful," right-hander John Lackey, who is signed through 2008 with an option for 2009, said Tuesday. "We've lost the things that made us good, piece by piece; you can't let them all go. Some things are more important than numbers -- intangibles, guys who know how to win, who are gamers, who have done it before."
Kennedy and Erstad played key roles on teams that won the World Series in 2002 and American League West titles in 2004 and 2005, Kennedy's providing consistent, high-level defense and some clutch postseason hits and Erstad's adding grit, some key playoff hits and superb defense.
Kennedy is almost certain to go the way of Troy Glaus, Bengie Molina, Jarrod Washburn and Troy Percival, productive veterans who were cleared out to make room for younger, less-expensive players. Howie Kendrick, Kennedy's heir apparent, has shown he's capable of hitting big league pitching and has looked sharp defensively.
Most figured Erstad, in the last year of a four-year, $32-million deal, would not be re-signed, but an ankle injury that sidelined him for most of 2006 and will require surgery could actually increase his chances of returning; he will probably be offered a minor league deal and invited to spring training.
"Bill and the guys upstairs are in a tough spot," Lackey said, referring to General Manager Bill Stoneman. "He's put together a playoff contender the last two years, so you can't fault him too much, but you're definitely going to lose something in the clubhouse if you let those guys go.
"If you do let them go, I hope they replace them with the same kind of character and intangibles."
Now my opinion:
Before going off and trying to find two or three editions of Jesus Christ mixed with Babe Ruth, how about telling the guys we ALREADY HAVE to start acting like BASEBALL PLAYERS?
These guys won a WS and two consecutive divisional titles, for chrissakes. And, to the WS team, we ADDED Vladi, Colon, Rivera, Izzy, OC, WTY, and now Saunders. Those are HUGE.
If Vladi was still with the Expos, you guys would be bitching about how much we should spend to get him. Well, we already GOT him. So why not tell Vladi to use 2 hands to catch the freakin ball. He may be your worst baserunner. Don't have your worst runners try to squeeze out that extra base. Teach some plate discipline and not ALWAYS swing at the first pitch.
Hey managers! Quit trying the suicide ALL THE TIME! It's supposed to catch the other guys off guard. Instead, we're just increasing the number of outs for our offense and surprising nobody. Quit having runners go home from third when the ball is hit in shallow left. When a player is obviously grimacing in pain, pull them out until they are healthy; pain is your body's way of saying something is WRONG. Quit moving around your players to every position and screwing around with their mental state. Play the positive aspects of the players. Tell the pitchers to do their job or they are gone.
Hey "fans"! Quit blaming all the coaches. The players are alleged adults making big bucks for their skills & talents-they need to pull their heads out of their ass and act like the professional baseball players they were hired to be. You can lead a horse to water, yada yada yada.
Get back to the frickin basics for chrissake. Learn to run, catch & hit. Woulda, coulda, shoulda has been the theme this year.
Send these guys out on a wilderness trip for 2 weeks and make them bond and become a team. I just didn't see that this year and I think that's an integral part that was obviously missing.
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oops, my bad....corrected Rev-thanks
No, Ladybug was right the first time.
not going to change it again
Lackey
You can start mouthing off when you become the #1.
And you should be very careful... Wear a condom.
I'd like to hear the rest of this story cupie...
rumor around here is...
it's total and complete hearsay, but it's fun to banter around with this rumor -- thus, the "Thunder Mountain" reference.
not rumor, not gossip
then
I heard Kennedy's a big slut.
by Ty Webb on Sep 27, 2006 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
facts are as YWC said
and that's all I'm saying about that. I will let the source speak if they wish to elaborate.
So what was Lackey's punishment?
...trip to the mound?
...outing?
...time up?
it's hearsay
Ya
by Ty Webb on Sep 27, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO.....
by angelsrallymom on Oct 1, 2006 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like something
by angelsrallymom on Oct 1, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
C'mon now. I'm not having it...
This has widespread media coverage written all over it. Let's see: sexual harrassment, a organizational coverup of embarrassing proportions, with a prominent player?
I'd think that would be headline news on ESPN sportscenter. There would be a dozen television reporters outside that girl's front door asking for a quote at the very least.
Crazy.
of course
Rule one about the corporate media: They cover lawsuits because they get spoonfed the facts.
They are too lazy to chase down good stories, too timid to bite the hand that feeds them and and terrified of being wrong about a single thing.
So they quote court documents and litigatory filings and pontificate over this stuff.
by Rev Halofan on Sep 27, 2006 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Ain't no
Dude come on
by darkangel01 on Sep 28, 2006 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
she signed a contract
"SLeazy"? Whaaa..?
I thought that was what maintenance sheds were for?
you make me wanna puke
Hey, that shit worked really well for me
Something about marriage, though, wises up a gal. Haven't been able to pull out those old chestnuts for decades.
It, in reality, didn't work
by angelsrallymom on Oct 1, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Just say no to Keeping A.K.
You go ladybug!
You are absolutely right. We need to start by fixing the fixable issues with the talent we already got. It's not like these guys are the Kansas City Royals, or anything. They just need to stop playing like it.
Agree
Above and beyond the obvious lack of power and terrible defense, I agree do agree with ladybug. The attitude of this squad was definitely lacking compared to past Angels teams... We can look at things like Vladdy's lack of focus on the basepaths, consistently making IDIOTIC decisions and running into outs needlessly. Also the poor fundamentals that ladybug mentioned (Vlad dropping balls when attempting one handed catches). All good points ladybug. And you're right on about Scioscia and the squeeze -- Mike is way to fucking predictable with that. Opposing managers see it coming a mile away.
In short, it is more than the talent on the field that needs to be upgraded. There needs to be an attitude adjustment and a new strategic approach which includes PLATE DISCIPLINE and understanding the difference between being aggressive and being RECKLESS. This has to be understood and applied, both with AB's and on the bases.
Fire Mike Sciossa
He's horrible. He got lucky one year. He's a Florida Marlin, or a Diamondback at heart.
the players
I think this is a little severe
I do agree that he needs to adjust some things strategically, in terms of the overall approach, but I also think he is a great leader and knows how to handle a clubhouse. Firing Mike is NOT the answer.
The Boss has to know what tools he carries
IMHO
We don't need a mix of
I don't remember anyone praising Lacky
If he's going to miss them
That's a two way street
Why is it that Lackey needs to learn Spanish?
Shouldn't an effort be made by Latin players to include others, rather than cultivating their little exclusive circle. For example, I think Bengie was friendly with many of his teammates while here -- and not just the other Latin players.
What I mean is
And John learning Spanish would be a good thing for team relations. Try and speak the tongue of the other man is a good way to make friends in the real world.
But true when in Rome do as the Romans. The Latinos should learn English, and they all probably can get by in the clubhouse. They just might not be comfortable in a serious situation like most non native speakers are.
I live in Hawaii with lots of immigrants, and was an immigrant in Japan myself. So I have been on both sides of the coin.
The dude was born in Texas.
Ok my bad
But wasn't there some kind of riff this past month or so involving the the two lingo's.
So does he?
The only riff
The fracas earlier this season was between Figgy and Donnelly. They are both English speaking Kindergarten graduates.
by Rev Halofan on Sep 27, 2006 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
don't forget
In any event, I get the feeling that many of the Latin players speak a heck of a lot more English than they let on.
E.g., earlier this year, Jose Mota was doing a live, postgame interview with Vlad. He asked his questions in English, and Vlad simply responded in Spanish. But quite obviously, he understood Mota (who then translated Vlad's responses for the English-speaking viewers).
And we know that Santana does English-language interviews, as do Cabrera, Escobar & K-Rod.
I suspect that they all understand & can communicate with each other, regardless of the language spoken.
I get the feeling
by angels4adam on Sep 29, 2006 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
02 was a long time ago ...
I can't help but wonder if when Lackey says: "intangibles, guys who know how to win, who are gamers" and "If you do let them go, I hope they replace them with the same kind of character and intangibles." he doesn't mean we need to get more white guys for me to hang out with.
I like Lackey, so I hope it is not the case. Thing is I never see him joking around with the players of other races. What I do see is Lackey chewing out Kendrick when he made an error and Lackey saying "Thats my boy!" when Kennedy makes a good play. Whatever the case, Lackey should stick to pitching and let Sosh, Bill, and Arte do their job.
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
Say what?
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
86ed not a troll for reading in between the lines.
Remember though, this is limited info from one article and we're building all kinds of assumptions out of it.
If Lackey does feel this way he is missing a couple things: OC is a total gamer and we replaced Eck with him... Kendrick is a gamer and a happy, positive force in the clubhouse and he's replacing Kennedy.
Agreed
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry
It just so happens that in MLB, less than 10% of American-born players are black. Fewer still are Hispanic (A-Rod/Nomar, etc.). If he prefers the English speakers, they're going to be disproportionately caucasian.
Edumicate meself
A positive interesting article which points to what you are talking about.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/homepage/article_1262545.php
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
here's a wacky thought
Here's another wacky thought.
totally preposterous
your argument is tantamount to saying that any ballplayer who pats another guy on the ass after he makes a good play is therefore gay. just totally ridiculous deduction.
alrighty then!
BTW, if my comments are, "the most asinine thing" you've "ever heard", you need to turn on the radio or TV once in a while.
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you're making ridiculous deductions
if i were to use your same deductive reasoning, then i wonder if arte moreno's a racist for marrying a white woman; if scioscia's biased against hispanic coaches because he doesn't have any in the dugout; if GA and Figgins hate white people because they talk alot in the dugout; if the angels organization is racist because they're celebrating Tim Salmon, a white guy; etc etc.
and, of course, i must be biased against capital letters, because i rarely use them.
Capital letter bias is inexcusable
Since when is Alfredo Griffin not Hispanic?
Griffin is a base coach
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 27, 2006 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
didn't realize you PERSONALLY
That's a ridiculous generalization.
They tend to ...
by Angels 86ed on Sep 27, 2006 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and Napoli & Lackey are roommates
total mountain out of a mole hill
no but Lackey did....ar ar ar humor
you have to realize
by angelsrallymom on Oct 1, 2006 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you implying?
the letter "r".... I don't know the guy so
don't want to comment either way, but I think
we should have more to go on when making that
kind of implication.
Agree.
by Angels 86ed on Sep 28, 2006 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Regarding my .sig
meh
by ANewFoundThrice on Sep 27, 2006 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
I think..
I don't think it's a secret or a huge deal that there are cliques in the clubhouse and it just so happens one click is mostly white American, another clique is made up of latin players.
I'm assuming they're all acquaintances at the least, but don't know obviously. None of this makes anyone on the team nor Angels 86ed 'racist.' It's just the way it is.

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