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Stoneman's Quinceanera

The 15 Trades of Bill Stoneman

In a little over five years on the job, Bill Stoneman has averaged 3 trades per season. On a scale of one thru ten, let's judge how well Bill Stoneman has traded.

1. March, 2000: Acquired Adam Kennedy & Kent Bottenfield from St. Louis for Jim Edmonds
Rating: 8 on a scale of 1-10
For all of Edmonds' statistical greatness, he stunk up the Anaheim clubhouse and chickenshitted around before deciding to get surgery - a great ballplayer yes, a clubhouse toxin - absolutely. Kennedy may not be Edmonds' peer at the plate, but he solidified a long-sore spot in the organization and was a key contributor to the 2002 Championship. In addition to Edmonds maintaining an elite status (my money was on him gimping out meekly by 2002), Stoneman could have gotten a better addenda than Kent the Fat Man - reasons this trade is not a 9 or 10.

2. July, 2000: Acquired Ron Gant From Philadelphia for Kent Bottenfield
Rating: 4 on a scale of 1-10
Almost a wash, but you wonder if something else could have been cooked up for a little pitching. Also shows Stoneman's trepidation with deadlines.

3. December, 2000: Acquired Wilmy Caceres from Cincinnatti for Seth Etherton
Rating: 6
Etherton blew out his arm the next season, while we will get to Wilmy's contribution later on this list.

4. March, 2001: Acquired Jose Nieves From CHN for Mike Fyrhie
Rating: 6
Nieves played a small, unsung backup role on the 2002 team, but was let go in August of that season. when I see pictures of non-roster Amezaga cavorting in the Championship dogpile on the mound, I think of Jose Nieves. Fyhrie pitched unspectacularly for the Cubs.

5. March, 2001: Acquired Glenallen Hill from NYA for Darren Blakely
Rating: 4
Blakely never went anywhere, and neither did the cartilage-free Hill, although everyone got to tell the hilarious story about Glenallen's arachnaphobia.

6. July, 2001: Acquired Chone Figgins from Colorado for Kimera Bartee
Rating: 10
At first, it was just a trade of the two weirdest names in sports. Now, it is the gift that keeps on giving. This carries the potential to be Stoneman's legacy.

7. December, 2001: Acquired Mickey Callaway from Tampa Bay for Wilmy Caceras.
Rating: 6
See, Caceres was flipped a season later for a bit player in the 2002 Championship season, but Callaway's bit happened to be in the heat of the August pennant race.

8. December, 2001: Acquired Kevin Appier from NYN for Mo Vaughn
Rating: 9
One of the big ones. He got the cancer out of the clubhouse and 14 wins out of Appier on the way to the World Series title.

9. January, 2002: Acquired Brad Fullmer from Toronto in exchange for Brian Cooper
Rating: 9
Fullmer was an integral part of the 2002 Championship team, and a steal for perennial minor-league diarist Cooper.

10. July, 2002: Acquired Alex Ochoa & Sal Fasano from Milwaukee in exchange for Jorge Fabregas, Johnny Raburn and Pedro Liriano
Rating: 6
Ochoa was less of a presence than Callaway on the late-season '02 champs-to-be, but still helped all in all, had a different die been cast, someone else might have dropped a ball and another team would have won it all. Liriano is still pitching with the Brewers, so there is always the potential for a point or two dropping from my generous rating.

11. July, 2003: Obtained Gary Glover, Scott Dunn & Tim Bittner from CHA for Scott Schoeneweis and Doug Nickle
Rating: 6
There can only be upside to this. In a year or two, it might be an 8 depending on Dunn and Bittner's accomplishments.

12. May, 2004: Acquired Zach Sorensen from Cleveland for a PTBNL
Rating: Tell me who the player is and I still give it a value-neutral 5.

13. November, 2004: Acquired Maicer Izturis and Juan Rivera from Montreal for Jose Guillen.
Rating: 9
Maybe an 8 after this season, maybe a 10.

14. December, 2004: Acquired Dustin Moseley from Cincinnatti for Ramon Ortiz
Rating: 7
A steal with nothing but upside. Could be a 10 in two years.

15. March, 2005: Acquired Bret Prinz from NYA for Wil Nieves
Rating: 7
Lots of upside, but do we castrate Josh Paul if Nieves is flashing signs in the World Series?

Stoneman's rating is 6.8 - with much upside and little (think about it, almost NOTHING) lost.

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Jim Edmunds
Yes, Adam Kennedy was a huge part of that magical 2002 season, but I can't help but feel jealous when I see Edmunds whacking HRs for that red team in the other league.

Come on, the dude is a stud and he used to be OUR stud!  True, we did have a plethora of talent in the outfield back but...the dude is a stud and he used to be our stud!

Except for the fact that it got us a World Championship (a very big "except" I admit), I think it was a bad trade.  I would much rather had Edmunds all of these years. Do you think the Cards would rather have Kennedy back?

Also, I don't buy all that "cancer in the clubhouse" stuff. I think people getting along with one another is overrated as long everybody wants to win. I wish we still had Guillen too!

Nolan Ryan for president!

by Dodger Hater on Mar 30, 2005 10:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

AK
Players are not robots, they hated Edmonds enough to grumble about his attitude during a tight playoff race. And remember his fondness for the disabled list?

Edmonds would have walked after the 01 (or was it 00) season for the big bucks, so he would NOT be here today anyway. Thinking back on the succession of mediocre infielders we had in the 90s, I am tempted to make this trade a 10 - Kennedy is an island in a sea of post-Bobby Grich nobodies.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 30, 2005 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

trades
Seems like all the trades that netted a player that played on the 02 World Series team was a good trade (kennedy, appier, chone, fullmer).  With that reasoning I shouldnt be pissed about giving up Bagwell for Larry Anderson, as he helped us get to the playoffs in 90.  

Edmonds is one of the best CF in baseball, and Stoneman got a glove man.  Appier was barely a 500 pitcher for Anaheim.  Chone's deal was great and deserves a 10, but the others ???  If Mo wouldn't have gotten hurt (yeah if's and but's candy and nuts . . . .blah blah blah)  .  Was Mo bad in the clubhouse?  In Beantown he was the leader of the clubhouse.

by SoCalSoxFan on Mar 30, 2005 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He should've gotten mo for Mo
I agree. Kevin Appier doesn't seem like enough for a guy like Vaughn. Look at his stats for his years with the Angels. I know we were anxious to get rid of him, but he put up some good numbers.
Nolan Ryan for president!

by Dodger Hater on Mar 30, 2005 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mat/rev.halo
what about trade number 16?

Angels send Javier Rodriguez, SS, for a Player To Be Named Later.

C

by cupie on Mar 30, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HUH ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? .....
What is the date on that?
Was that the back end of the Sorenson deal?

by Rev Halofan on Mar 30, 2005 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MO? no mo.
My methodology is that piecs of the championship puzzle were NET positives. Appier may have been .500, but look at the Anaheim pitching staff in 200 & 2001 and APPIER was a BIG upgrade - plus he and MO each had a a gargantuan contract - plus Mo Vaughn STUNK horribly for the Mets, at least we had ONE servicable if unspectacular season for Appier.

Mo Vaughn was the ultimate clubhouse cancer, i could write a VERY LONG entry about the myriad instances of him sabotaging clubhouse and management activity. He was LOATHED by everyone.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 30, 2005 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Quinceanera
Every time I read/hear the word Quinceanera
....I can only think of that Vandals song.  I know, huh?
Sandra, I know, huh? You gotta go houm to fill up the pinata for your cousin's quincenara......

btw..was at the nearly packed Fri game against the Doggers. Both my daughters teams play better defense than the blu crue.....

by Nailnhed on Apr 2, 2005 11:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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