Angels sign Shea Hillenbrand...
Can anyone explain this to me? Why? I don't get it. I really don't.
At least it was only a one-year deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708779
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One year.
oh well.
by Barry on
Dec 26, 2006 1:55 PM PST
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precursor
by ineptituderunsamok on
Dec 26, 2006 1:55 PM PST
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oh, ESPN
by Neo8234 on
Dec 26, 2006 2:11 PM PST
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still sucking disney's dingdong
by Rev Halofan on
Dec 26, 2006 4:40 PM PST
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As long as he understands
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 2:23 PM PST
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Makes perfect sense
We needed a guy that will be a problem in the clubhouse.
It's a perfect signing for a perfect off-season.
**walks off stage and vomits**
by Ty Webb on
Dec 26, 2006 2:26 PM PST
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if he can play 3rd...fine
by thewebb on
Dec 26, 2006 2:28 PM PST
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Nope
by elricsi on
Dec 26, 2006 7:20 PM PST
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I watched him
You must be a pretty good 3Bman!
by ineptituderunsamok on
Dec 27, 2006 6:26 PM PST
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Just for fun...
I would hope it's at least Erstad dollars... $8.75M USD? I lowball everything though.
I'm gonna Bob Barker my figure, I'm going with $9,000,001.00
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 2:35 PM PST
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This move is fine, brings us back to where we were
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 2:43 PM PST
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salary
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 2:44 PM PST
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Salary
$9 million club option.
by Barry on
Dec 26, 2006 2:44 PM PST
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it's like signing jose guillen with worse numbers.
they'd better resign erstad for the sole purpose of keeping hillenbrand in line if he tries to fight scioscia for not playing him everyday.
by pedro guerrero on
Dec 26, 2006 2:54 PM PST
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That's a pretty full 25-man roster
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 2:58 PM PST
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Greg Jones or Chris Bootcheck?
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 3:15 PM PST
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<spppplash!>
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 2:59 PM PST
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Shea is also
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 3:00 PM PST
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That seems like ka good complement to JRivera's
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 3:02 PM PST
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Stupid signing.
The guy is Jose Guillen part two.
Don't we have enough corner infielders?
Hillenbrand has a butt like a black girl. I don't like him, he's no Beyonce.
by bc56274 on
Dec 26, 2006 3:05 PM PST
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Jose Guillen
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 3:18 PM PST
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$$$ guess
Oh, and only way Shea should be near 3B is as a base runner.
by Ty Webb on
Dec 26, 2006 3:05 PM PST
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I would rather have had Huff...
by akathelorax on
Dec 26, 2006 3:08 PM PST
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i'm not following stoneman's logic (again).
the only way it makes a shred of sense, is if they know rivera is out for most of the year and expect GA to put in a full season in left, with hillendbrand DH'ing
you put hillenbrand at 1st, he blocks kotchman, morales, quinlan, and ppossibly mcpherson. you put him at 3rd, and you have nowhere to put figgy. you put him in your clubhouse and you're bound to have problems.
and yes, i'm being pessimistic again, but hey...that's what i do.
by pedro guerrero on
Dec 26, 2006 3:14 PM PST
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it means that....
I am assuming that he will be out the 8 months.
by Barry on
Dec 26, 2006 3:20 PM PST
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I hope it's not true
I'm amazed at the lack of details on the internet around how bad of a break it really is. 3-8 months is a pretty wide range. Could you imagine if you were at the doctor and he said you wouldn't be 100% for anywhere for 3-8 months? I'd flip out.
Has anyone seen any video of this on the net?
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 3:24 PM PST
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He had surgery
by DChalofan on
Dec 27, 2006 9:05 AM PST
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Re: .271 avg
by Neo8234 on
Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST
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You have every right to be pessimistic
This just give #14 another player that he can keep penciling in the lineup despite hitting .185, effectively blocking other, more talented players...
This, however, is what everybody gets for wanting a GM to "do something"...well he DID something...stupid.
by johnnyangel101 on
Dec 26, 2006 4:06 PM PST
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ESPN reporting Shea's salary is $6.5 million
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 3:18 PM PST
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LosAngel, you win the prize
by cardinalwraith on
Dec 26, 2006 3:19 PM PST
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Congratulations
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST
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dont kid yourself
angel management has become a joke. why? why are we signing a below-average 1st baseman on the wrong side of 30 when you can pick those guys of the scrap heap anywhere? please give me a reason why? WHY?
what does it take to be a GM? stoneman is the biggest joke on the west coast.
by kolbotn on
Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST
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Who would you suggest he sign instead?
It's only a 1 year deal, let's not act like the guy is going to be a career Halo or anything.
Hillenbrand has played more career games at 3rd and I see him playing there. Only reason he did not play 3rd last year is cause of a guy named Troy Glaus in Tor and Feliz in SF. We need an insurance policy and this is a cheap one. Arte can afford it.
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 3:31 PM PST
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first of all
why do we have to sign anybody? why not give morales, casey, dallas or rob q. a chance?
they will all cost a fraction of $6.5 million. they are all younger and project to improve. shea is past 30 and in his decline phase. can you imagine a decline from 2006's .277/.313/451?
the only joke bigger than shea is bill.
by kolbotn on
Dec 26, 2006 4:04 PM PST
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Good question
See Angels offense 2006 minus Rivera. Been there, done that.
Insurance is not such a bad thing. I still maintain, Hillenbrand will play 3rd base, and compared to what we've got with a proven track record, I'll take it. Like anyone else, I'd love to have McP over there raking but Figgins at 3rd gives me heartburn.
If he was signed to play first, than I agree, it's a bad signing, but I'm hoping for the hot corner.
by LosAngel on
Dec 26, 2006 4:27 PM PST
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Hey kolbotn,
This is normal. Be here now.
Hang in there, man. God bless!
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 3:57 PM PST
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We already had Shea Hillenbrand
2006
Quinlan (.321/.344/.491)
Hillenbrand (.277/.313/.451)
LIFETIME
Quinlan (.302/.342.463)
Hillenbrand (.287/.325/.449)
And, oh yes, Quinlan is better defensively...
by johnnyangel101 on
Dec 26, 2006 3:54 PM PST
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Great point
by Sixtyminuteman on
Dec 26, 2006 4:01 PM PST
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great stats in a vaccuum
by thewebb on
Dec 26, 2006 7:09 PM PST
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Quinlan's better against RHP, too
Quinlan (.312/.327/.427)
Hillenbrand (.256/.291/.437)
You had a legitimate question. However, like so many other things, the perception isn't consistent with reality. Quinlan can hit. Lefties or Righties (Lefties better, obviously)
2006 3B Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan (.972/1.94)
Hillenbrand (.857/1.44) 6 errors in 25 games
Advantage to Quinlan
2006 1B Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan (.992/6.94)
Hillenbrand (.995/7.86)
Advantage to Hillenbrand
2006 LF Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan (1.000/0.92)
Hillenbrand (crickets)
I agree that Quinlan isn't good on defense, but Hillenbrand is very bad at 3B.
My ultimate point remains: we ALREADY had a guy that can play the corner positions and hit OK - Hillenbrand is redundant. Plus, like you said, everybody here LOVES Quinlan - why not give him a few more AB's?
by johnnyangel101 on
Dec 26, 2006 8:18 PM PST
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1 year
And I don't think he's a "clubhouse cancer" in the Guillen mold at all. Hillenbrand wasn't the only one to take issue with Gibbons last year, and apparently Gibbons challenged the guy to a fight. He's a gamer who wants to play every day, and can occassionally be aggressive, not a wrecking ball in the locker room.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Dec 26, 2006 4:58 PM PST
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IIRC
--> play for yourself <-- and
--> The ship is sinking <-- on the clubhouse chalkboard. While I hesitate to label anyone as a cancer, the comparison to Jose Guillen (bat withstanding) may be close. They are both called 'intense players, who want to be on the field everyday'.
The entire issue stemmed around him taking extra time off without notifying the club. I realize that adopting a baby can take some time, but it's not like the guy doesn't know what his schedule is going to be from Feb-Oct.
by ineptituderunsamok on
Dec 26, 2006 6:49 PM PST
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Rich in tradition, the fun train chugs on into '07
"We always liked Hillenbrand's bat, but when we got the news that Rivera was injured, and it would cost him some time this season, that was the impetus to go after another bat," [Stoney] said.
"There are a number of areas where he can help us, whether DH, first or third," [Sciosc'] said. "We'll see where the fit is on any given day."
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 5:17 PM PST
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A solid signing
C: Napoli, Molina.
1st: Kotchman, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, Erstad.
2nd: Kendrick, Izturis.
SS: Cabrera, Izturis.
3rd: A-Rod, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, Izturis.
LF: Anderson, Hillenbrand, Erstad, (*Rivera).
CF: Matthews Jr., Murphy, Erstad, (*Rivera).
RF: Guerrero, Murphy, (*Rivera).
DH: Kotchman, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, A-Rod, Guerrero, Anderson, (*Rivera).
Bench: Murphy, Izturis, Quinlan, Erstad.
SP1: Lackey.
SP2: Escobar.
SP3: Zito.
SP4: Weaver.
SP5: Saunders. (Till Colon comes back.)
RP: Spiers.
RP: Carrasco.
RP: Shields.
CP: K-Rod.
*When Rivera comes back from his minors rehab assignment, we can drop Murphy to the minors. That fills out your 25 man roster. Plus, IF Colon comes back healthy, Saunders goes to the pen for long relief and you can still send down Murphy then too. The likelihood of both coming back at the same time are slim to none. If they do, trade Hillenbrand for relief pitching at the July 31st deadline.
I'm okay with my starting line-up on opening day
looking like this:
- Matthews Jr.
- Cabrera.
- A-rod.
- Vlad.
- Kendrick or Anderson.
- Anderson or Kendrick.
- Hillenbrand
- Kotchman.
- Napoli.
I should be GM.
by matt92130 on
Dec 26, 2006 8:05 PM PST
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I will also add why the Yanks would make the deal:
by matt92130 on
Dec 26, 2006 8:17 PM PST
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C'mon, pedro...
Seriously, matt90210 is asking for some constructive feedback. Here's a morsel:
"Figgy can play 3rd for [the Yanks, or] if they must have DMac, he can play 3rd."
by Bilko 420 on
Dec 26, 2006 8:55 PM PST
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Figgy, Santana, Mathis, and Morales
God I hope not.
I wouldn't trade Santana for A-Rod straight up.
by angels4adam on
Dec 27, 2006 1:22 AM PST
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Finally, some sanity
by chosen1 on
Dec 27, 2006 1:23 AM PST
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Not trading
Just for grins, take a look at baseball reference and look at similar through age.
ARod's: Griffey, Mel Ott( HoF), Hank (freakin') Aaron (HoF), Frank Robinson (HoF), Mickey Mantle (HoF), Jimmie Foxx (HoF), Eddie Mathews (HoF), Rogers Hornsby (HoF), Vlad, Cal Ripken (HoF first ballot)
Ervin's: Ben Sheets, Mark Mulder, Melido Perez, Tom Brewer, Bill Pertica, Slick Castleman, Livan Hernandez (yeah right, 23), Carl Erskine, Adfam Eaton, Johnny Stuart.
Santana has a ton of POTENTIAL. ARod, love him or hate him, is one of the top 5 players in the game, and he fills a need. I make that trade every day of the week, and say thank you very much.
by ineptituderunsamok on
Dec 27, 2006 6:38 PM PST
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Your fogetting the contracts
1st, add the contracts into the equation
2nd, Can't hit good pictching
3rd, Chokes under pressure
If vlad hit 4th or 5th for the yankees he would have had 150 rbi's easy.
by chosen1 on
Dec 27, 2006 10:52 PM PST
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Contracts
- Texas pays a big chunk of his salary which means he would actually be owed less than Soriano (and for less time.)
- Career 305 hitter with 464 HRs. I'd say he can hit just about anything. He hit 329 against us, and I'd argue that we have good pitching.
- Subjective. His below average season is above most All-Stars. Just because he plays below the ultra high expectations you and the rabid yankee fans might have, does not make him a choker. A pussy maybe... but not a choker!
by ineptituderunsamok on
Dec 28, 2006 9:07 AM PST
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Chokes under pressure?
BEFORE the Yankees' total TEAM collapse in '04 in the ALCS, A-Rod had a career postseason average over .300. He's still hitting .280. His career OPS in the playoffs is almost identical to Jeter's (A-Rod: .860, Jeter: .862). He even had 2 homers and 5RBIs in the '04 ALCS, and was close to being its MVP before the epic collapse. The last two years have been hard on his apparently fragile psychological state, but that's as much a product of New York as it is his own personality. Take him to a place like L.A., he'll thrive.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Dec 30, 2006 3:47 PM PST
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