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Angels sign Shea Hillenbrand...

Can anyone explain this to me?  Why?  I don't get it.  I really don't.

At least it was only a one-year deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708779

                                                                                                                                                         

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One year.
Could be worse, I would have liked Huff...

oh well.

by Barry on Dec 26, 2006 1:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

precursor
to trading figgins?
10-12-86

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 26, 2006 1:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, ESPN
"Free-agent first baseman Shea Hillenbrand agreed to join the Anaheim Angels on Tuesday"

by Neo8234 on Dec 26, 2006 2:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still sucking disney's dingdong
pipeline to the anaheim mayor runs thru the mouse's office...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 26, 2006 4:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as he understands
He is here to platoon and he doesn't cry about playing everyday, I think it is a good move.  He can play 3rd base and DH while Rivera is out.  I'd rather had Hillenbrand at 3rd than Figgy.  I think it's a good insurance policy and if it doesn't work out, we cut him.  No big loss.  Rivera getting hurt really forced Stoneman's hand to sign someone who can DH so we don't have a slap hitter filling that spot.  If Kotch and McPherson play great than we don't need Shea.  If not, than we do.  Simple as that.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 2:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Makes perfect sense
We needed another stick in the lineup. One that doesn't work a count, get on base and is slow. We needed a stick that wouldn't hit 20 HR. We needed a stick to block any progress of three young prospects (Kotchman, McPherson, Morales).

We needed a guy that will be a problem in the clubhouse.

It's a perfect signing for a perfect off-season.

**walks off stage and vomits**

by Ty Webb on Dec 26, 2006 2:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he can play 3rd...fine
Just don't want him playing 1st over Kotchman/McPherson/Morales.

by thewebb on Dec 26, 2006 2:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope
He is awful at 3rd.  I can play it better.  GA can play it better.  You'll see.

by elricsi on Dec 26, 2006 7:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I watched him
play a lot of 3B in Boston when I lived there, and I'd say he's serviceable. I realize that has been a few years, but awful is a strong word.

You must be a pretty good 3Bman!

10-12-86

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 27, 2006 6:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just for fun...
What's the shaving cream on the cake?  Let's guess his salary.

I would hope it's at least Erstad dollars...  $8.75M USD?  I lowball everything though.

I'm gonna Bob Barker my figure, I'm going with $9,000,001.00

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 2:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

salary guess
my guess: $5 million

by kolbotn on Dec 26, 2006 2:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This move is fine, brings us back to where we were
before Juan went down, back up another 20 home runs per season. Let Hillenbrand, Kotchman and Morales duke it out for first in spring training (or as LosAngel said, maybe he can play third instead of   Figgy). If either Kotch or Morales really start to rake, stick Shea at third or he can ride the pine (and have his option refused).
Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Dec 26, 2006 2:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

salary
He made $5.8M last year, so I guess he gets a 10% raise to $6.4M.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 2:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salary
$7 million.

$9 million club option.

by Barry on Dec 26, 2006 2:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's like signing jose guillen with worse numbers.
a clubhouse cancer.

they'd better resign erstad for the sole purpose of keeping hillenbrand in line if he tries to fight scioscia for not playing him everyday.

by pedro guerrero on Dec 26, 2006 2:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

40 man
Goodbye Greg Jones.

by akathelorax on Dec 26, 2006 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greg Jones or Chris Bootcheck?
Pick your poison for long relief.
Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Dec 26, 2006 3:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

<spppplash!>
"We are pleased that Shea Hillenbrand is joining the Angels organization," team vice president and general manager Bill Stoneman said. "He is a solid righthanded hitter who brings the additional element of power, and he should fit nicely into the middle of our lineup."

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 2:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shea is also
great in the first half of the season when we'll need him most.  He usually starts the season off on fire so hopefully we will get off to a better start this year than last.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 3:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That seems like ka good complement to JRivera's
tendency to streak after the All-Star Break (assuming he comes back on the earlier side of his recovery timetable).
Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Dec 26, 2006 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stupid signing.
Way too much money.

The guy is Jose Guillen part two.

Don't we have enough corner infielders?

Hillenbrand has a butt like a black girl.  I don't like him, he's no Beyonce.

by bc56274 on Dec 26, 2006 3:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hold up!
And I was initially down on this signing...  Nice pickup.

"Hillenbrand has a butt like a black girl."

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 3:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jose Guillen
His fine play helped get us to the playoffs and then netted us Rivera and Izturius.  Granted he was a shit head, but I'll take part 2 please.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$$$ guess
$3.8 million loaded with incentives. He isn't better than Marcus Giles, and Marcus got just over $3 mil with plenty of teams able to use his services (Mets, Red Sox, etc).

Oh, and only way Shea should be near 3B is as a base runner.

by Ty Webb on Dec 26, 2006 3:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would rather have had Huff...
but Hillenbrand is a fine signing.  He is known for starting off hot, which could be good if Kotchman and / or McPherson take some time to get into the swing of things.

by akathelorax on Dec 26, 2006 3:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not following stoneman's logic (again).
after being so reluctant to trade kotchman, morales, or mcpherson in a package deal for someone productive (read: better than .275/21/67/764OPS (ouch)), why would you take a risk a guy with a history of attitude problems to potentially block those guys?

the only way it makes a shred of sense, is if they know rivera is out for most of the year and expect GA to put in a full season in left, with hillendbrand DH'ing

you put hillenbrand at 1st, he blocks kotchman, morales, quinlan, and ppossibly mcpherson.  you put him at 3rd, and you have nowhere to put figgy.  you put him in your clubhouse and you're bound to have problems.

and yes, i'm being pessimistic again, but hey...that's what i do.

by pedro guerrero on Dec 26, 2006 3:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it means that....
Rivera is hurt...badly.

I am assuming that he will be out the 8 months.

by Barry on Dec 26, 2006 3:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope it's not true
but you are probably right.  If he needs to have surgery again, that can't be a good thing.  I was hoping for a clean break, but this sounds bad.

I'm amazed at the lack of details on the internet around how bad of a break it really is.  3-8 months is a pretty wide range.  Could you imagine if you were at the doctor and he said you wouldn't be 100% for anywhere for 3-8 months?  I'd flip out.

Has anyone seen any video of this on the net?

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 3:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He had surgery
yesterday, I believe it was.  Very bad news.  I'm similarly amazed at the lack of details.

by DChalofan on Dec 27, 2006 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: .271 avg
I don't know how much faith you can put in that .275 avg overall, that was split between his .301 at Toronto and something like .225 at San Francisco.  A change in leagues is bound to be responsible for at least some significant part in his avg, especially a mid-season change.

by Neo8234 on Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have every right to be pessimistic
And I am officially encouraging goodvibe to weigh in here, too.

This just give #14 another player that he can keep penciling in the lineup despite hitting .185, effectively blocking other, more talented players...

This, however, is what everybody gets for wanting a GM to "do something"...well he DID something...stupid.

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Churchill

by johnnyangel101 on Dec 26, 2006 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN reporting Shea's salary is $6.5 million
see the link on the initial post.
Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Dec 26, 2006 3:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congratulations
Your prize?  A poll by chosen1 with your likeness!  Replete with copious comments and hourly updates.

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont kid yourself
hillenbrand is a horrible, horrible signing.  for a 1st baseman that peaked in his year28 season hitting .310/.348/.464 in Arizona's bandbox to sign with the angels is a disgrace.  

angel management has become a joke.  why? why are we signing a below-average 1st baseman on the wrong side of 30 when you can pick those guys of the scrap heap anywhere? please give me a reason why?  WHY?  

what does it take to be a GM? stoneman is the biggest joke on the west coast.

by kolbotn on Dec 26, 2006 3:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who would you suggest he sign instead?
It's not like Stoneman knew Rivera was going to break his leg.  Would you feel better if he did nothing?  Are you going to suggest a trade that will NEVER happen?

It's only a 1 year deal, let's not act like the guy is going to be a career Halo or anything.

Hillenbrand has played more career games at 3rd and I see him playing there.  Only reason he did not play 3rd last year is cause of a guy named Troy Glaus in Tor and Feliz in SF.  We need an insurance policy and this is a cheap one.  Arte can afford it.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 3:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

first of all
hillenbrand is no longer a third baseman with any defensive value.

why do we have to sign anybody?  why not give morales, casey, dallas or rob q. a chance?
they will all cost a fraction of $6.5 million. they are all younger and project to improve.  shea is past 30 and in his decline phase.  can you imagine a decline from 2006's .277/.313/451?

the only joke bigger than shea is bill.

by kolbotn on Dec 26, 2006 4:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good question
"why do we have to sign anybody?  why not give morales, casey, dallas or rob q. a chance?"

See Angels offense 2006 minus Rivera.  Been there, done that.  

Insurance is not such a bad thing.  I still maintain, Hillenbrand will play 3rd base, and compared to what we've got with a proven track record, I'll take it.  Like anyone else, I'd love to have McP over there raking but Figgins at 3rd gives me heartburn.
If he was signed to play first, than I agree, it's a bad signing, but I'm hoping for the hot corner.

by LosAngel on Dec 26, 2006 4:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey kolbotn,
As a friend, I gotta tell you: you've officially been splashed.  I know, I know -- there's a lot of anger, confusion and denial you must be feeling.  

This is normal.  Be here now.

Hang in there, man.  God bless!

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 3:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We already had Shea Hillenbrand
but he went by the name of Robb Quinlan.  Hillenbrand's alter ego could play 1B, 3B, AND the OF.  Q also hits for a higher average and more power.

2006
Quinlan (.321/.344/.491)
Hillenbrand (.277/.313/.451)

LIFETIME
Quinlan (.302/.342.463)
Hillenbrand (.287/.325/.449)

And, oh yes, Quinlan is better defensively...

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Churchill

by johnnyangel101 on Dec 26, 2006 3:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great point
Maybe we should be glad Stoneman doesn't make big trades.
Bring back Al Wisk!!!

by Sixtyminuteman on Dec 26, 2006 4:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great stats in a vaccuum
Too bad Hillenbrand's stats are against righties and lefties and Quinlan's are mostly against lefties.  Also, Quinlan isn't better than anyone on defense.  Neither is good, and I love Quinlan, but he's not better than anyone on D.

by thewebb on Dec 26, 2006 7:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quinlan's better against RHP, too
2006 vs. RHP
Quinlan (.312/.327/.427)
Hillenbrand (.256/.291/.437)

You had a legitimate question.  However, like so many other things, the perception isn't consistent with reality.  Quinlan can hit.  Lefties or Righties (Lefties better, obviously)

2006 3B Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan (.972/1.94)  
Hillenbrand (.857/1.44) 6 errors in 25 games
Advantage to Quinlan

2006 1B Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan  (.992/6.94)
Hillenbrand (.995/7.86)  
Advantage to Hillenbrand

2006 LF Fielding Pct/ZR
Quinlan  (1.000/0.92)
Hillenbrand  (crickets)

I agree that Quinlan isn't good on defense, but Hillenbrand is very bad at 3B.

My ultimate point remains:  we ALREADY had a guy that can play the corner positions and hit OK - Hillenbrand is redundant.  Plus, like you said, everybody here LOVES Quinlan - why not give him a few more AB's?

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Churchill

by johnnyangel101 on Dec 26, 2006 8:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 year
6.5 million.  What exactly is the worst case scenario?  It's a non-issue contract to a guy who can hit for a decent average with (above-Angel-average) power.  If it's the precursor to a bigger trade, then it's even less of an issue.

And I don't think he's a "clubhouse cancer" in the Guillen mold at all.  Hillenbrand wasn't the only one to take issue with Gibbons last year, and apparently Gibbons challenged the guy to a fight.  He's a gamer who wants to play every day, and can occassionally be aggressive, not a wrecking ball in the locker room.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 26, 2006 4:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC
He wrote

--> play for yourself <-- and

--> The ship is sinking <-- on the clubhouse chalkboard. While I hesitate to label anyone as a cancer, the comparison to Jose Guillen (bat withstanding) may be close. They are both called 'intense players, who want to be on the field everyday'.

The entire issue stemmed around him taking extra time off without notifying the club. I realize that adopting a baby can take some time, but it's not like the guy doesn't know what his schedule is going to be from Feb-Oct.

10-12-86

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 26, 2006 6:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rich in tradition, the fun train chugs on into '07
Some LA Times tidbits:

"We always liked Hillenbrand's bat, but when we got the news that Rivera was injured, and it would cost him some time this season, that was the impetus to go after another bat," [Stoney] said.

"There are a number of areas where he can help us, whether DH, first or third," [Sciosc'] said. "We'll see where the fit is on any given day."

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 5:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A solid signing
I personally like the Hillenbrand signing. It gives us flexibility. With Juan being down till God knows when, he'll be able to spell at 1st, 3rd, DH, and in left for GA. This in mind, given the Shea signing allows us to swoop in and sign Zito which in turn will allow us to trade Figgy, Santana, Mathis, and Morales to the Yankees for A-Rod. Hell, you can even throw DMac in the trade if the Yankess demand it, but hopefully not. Hillenbrand will have to learn to play a solid left (Which he hs played in his career) and DH w/ split time for GA. Kotch and DMac (If not traded) can duke it out at 1st. If they're both raking the ball, one can play first while the other fills in at DH.... sorry Shea, if you want to play the entire season, you have to produce beyond the 1st half. We have a lot of possibilities but the ket to all of this is what I've been preaching all along, SIGN ZITO.

C: Napoli, Molina.
1st: Kotchman, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, Erstad.
2nd: Kendrick, Izturis.
SS: Cabrera, Izturis.
3rd: A-Rod, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, Izturis.
LF: Anderson, Hillenbrand, Erstad, (*Rivera).
CF: Matthews Jr., Murphy, Erstad, (*Rivera).
RF: Guerrero, Murphy, (*Rivera).
DH: Kotchman, Hillenbrand, Quinlan, A-Rod, Guerrero, Anderson, (*Rivera).
Bench: Murphy, Izturis, Quinlan, Erstad.

SP1: Lackey.
SP2: Escobar.
SP3: Zito.
SP4: Weaver.
SP5: Saunders. (Till Colon comes back.)
RP: Spiers.
RP: Carrasco.
RP: Shields.
CP: K-Rod.

*When Rivera comes back from his minors rehab assignment, we can drop Murphy to the minors. That fills out your 25 man roster. Plus, IF Colon comes back healthy, Saunders goes to the pen for long relief and you can still send down Murphy then too. The likelihood of both coming back at the same time are slim to none. If they do, trade Hillenbrand for relief pitching at the July 31st deadline.

I'm okay with my starting line-up on opening day
looking like this:

  1. Matthews Jr.
  2. Cabrera.
  3. A-rod.
  4. Vlad.
  5. Kendrick or Anderson.
  6. Anderson or Kendrick.
  7. Hillenbrand
  8. Kotchman.
  9. Napoli.
Ace: Lackey.

I should be GM.

by matt92130 on Dec 26, 2006 8:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will also add why the Yanks would make the deal:
Trading for Morales will give them the 1st baseman the covet. Mathis will eventually dethrone Posada after his contract exspires after this year. Santana will give them the depth at pitching after the Randy Johnson deal. Figgy can play 3rd for them of if they must have DMac, he can play 3rd. Figgy can spell anywhere. I don't think A-Rod and they Yankees feel their relationship is a match made in heaven. Yanks also wouldn't mind shedding a few dollars after that big 26 million dollar luxory tax they just got hit with. All the options the Angels deal them are cheaper and have multi year deals. Eat that up and let it sit. I want feedback!

by matt92130 on Dec 26, 2006 8:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeahhhhh
That's it? I'm high... nothing else? Wow... great post pal. Haha.

by matt92130 on Dec 26, 2006 8:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon, pedro...
Why do people insist on casting cannabis use in a negative light?  Perhaps this is the effect of too many Gummy Bears?

Seriously, matt90210 is asking for some constructive feedback.  Here's a morsel:

"Figgy can play 3rd for [the Yanks, or] if they must have DMac, he can play 3rd."

by Bilko 420 on Dec 26, 2006 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Figgy, Santana, Mathis, and Morales
for A-Rod?

God I hope not.

I wouldn't trade Santana for A-Rod straight up.

john RIP samo

by angels4adam on Dec 27, 2006 1:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally, some sanity
One bourbon, one scotch, and one beer

by chosen1 on Dec 27, 2006 1:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not trading
Santana for ARod straight up is sanity? More like Myopia.

Just for grins, take a look at baseball reference and look at similar through age.

ARod's: Griffey, Mel Ott( HoF), Hank (freakin') Aaron (HoF), Frank Robinson (HoF), Mickey Mantle (HoF), Jimmie Foxx (HoF), Eddie Mathews (HoF), Rogers Hornsby (HoF), Vlad, Cal Ripken (HoF first ballot)

Ervin's: Ben Sheets, Mark Mulder, Melido Perez, Tom Brewer, Bill Pertica, Slick Castleman, Livan Hernandez (yeah right, 23), Carl Erskine, Adfam Eaton, Johnny Stuart.

Santana has a ton of POTENTIAL. ARod, love him or hate him, is one of the top 5 players in the game, and he fills a need. I make that trade every day of the week, and say thank you very much.

10-12-86

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 27, 2006 6:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your fogetting the contracts
Straight up means you get the contract

1st, add the contracts into the equation
2nd, Can't hit good pictching
3rd, Chokes under pressure

If vlad hit 4th or 5th for the yankees he would have had 150 rbi's easy.

One bourbon, one scotch, and one beer

by chosen1 on Dec 27, 2006 10:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contracts
are less of a worry to major market clubs.
  1. Texas pays a big chunk of his salary which means he would actually be owed less than Soriano (and for less time.)
  2. Career 305 hitter with 464 HRs. I'd say he can hit just about anything. He hit 329 against us, and I'd argue that we have good pitching.
  3. Subjective. His below average season is above most All-Stars. Just because he plays below the ultra high expectations you and the rabid yankee fans might have, does not make him a choker. A pussy maybe... but not a choker!
10-12-86

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 28, 2006 9:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chokes under pressure?
Talk about Media concocted bullcrap.

BEFORE the Yankees' total TEAM collapse in '04 in the ALCS, A-Rod had a career postseason average over .300.  He's still hitting .280.  His career OPS in the playoffs is almost identical to Jeter's (A-Rod: .860, Jeter: .862).  He even had 2 homers and 5RBIs in the '04 ALCS, and was close to being its MVP before the epic collapse.  The last two years have been hard on his apparently fragile psychological state, but that's as much a product of New York as it is his own personality.  Take him to a place like L.A., he'll thrive.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 30, 2006 3:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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