Jeff Weaver to Seattle?

by Rev Halofan on Jan 3, 2007 2:15 AM PST

Not that I am afraid of this coming back to haunt us or anything, but I am afraid of this coming back to haunt us.

Word is Nintendo has enough hydroponic profits they would have smoked with Zito that they are questioning why not go after Stoner #2...

My source says "Not 100%" (not yet like last year's inkwell) as Jeffo dug the Midwest Farmers Daughters in Saint Louie, but Boras will dig for the dough and it may be Emerald Green in a week or two...

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This counts

as Moreno's big splash in boosting the Angels for 2007 if it goes down.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 3, 2007 2:28 AM PST reply actions

Possibly...

...but doesn't it also boost the rest of the AL West as well?

by RichA on Jan 3, 2007 8:45 AM PST up reply actions

"Last year's inkwell"

It was sorta fun reading through last year's blog entry. All the Manny hate I still find sorta incredible.

With all this talk about polls, Rev., any chance you create one regarding next season's offensive performance?

I'm just curious at what point lone Angel Great Vlad G. goes down with a season-ending injury. Not sure if super-Nap'z alone can carry the entire team?

Trivia: Has there ever been a 20 game losing pitcher with an ERA under 2.50? (I do not know the answer.)

by Bilko 420 on Jan 3, 2007 9:15 AM PST reply actions

Manny "hate"?

No. Just a recognition of the profound stupidity of giving away a mess of young talent for a declining, aging player. Sure, Manny is one of the best hitters in the ML, but for how long? It's not a gamble I'd be willing to make.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Jan 3, 2007 1:14 PM PST up reply actions

C'mon, scareduck

You can obviously rest assured that no trucks were ever backed up sporting Massachusetts plates, collecting any herniated discs, bone spurs, or mononuclear viruses.

Some of the so-called hate I was referring to was along these lines:

"I'm almost at the point where I'd turn down any deal that wasn't an obvious winner for the Angels. I just don't see him being dominant after this year."

"Don't trade anybody. I like our young guys and don't want to lose anything of any consequence for someone who may soon be over the hill."

"Just say no to Manny. Just to be on the record. Keep Manny Ramirez off of the Angels."

"Hear, Hear. Manny would hurt the Angels more than he would help them."

"Vote no on Manny! Keep him in Boston!"

And yes, I actually do agree that most of the rumored trade proposals we've heard regarding Manny are untenable. But to flat out dismiss Ramirez as someone this team can't use?

That seems preposterous.

Weird, for some reason I just had a vision of Wally George when I typed the word "preposterous".

by Bilko 420 on Jan 3, 2007 2:52 PM PST up reply actions

still mashing after all these years

a manny-vlad one-two punch would be devastating! people get too hung up on his antics and lackadaisical air that sometimes they forget the obvious: he is one of the greatest hitters this league has ever seen.

obviously it wouldn't make sense to trade the angels' entire future for him, but trading a little of it would make a huge impact for the angels, and immediately.

by yeswecan on Jan 3, 2007 5:16 PM PST up reply actions

But for how long?

I really want Manny, too, but I think it would've been better to trade for him several years ago, or even last year...that way we would've gotten max. value.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 3, 2007 7:36 PM PST up reply actions

good point

if stoneman had made the deal when the rumors first surfaced, we probably would've had at least 2 great years in by now.

obviously hindsight is 20/20, but manny is just so good!

by yeswecan on Jan 3, 2007 8:53 PM PST up reply actions

Well, at least there's three of us

Interestingly enough, and quite possibly thankfully, scareduck doesn't even feel like wasting his time with us. He sorta reminds me of one of those killer whales you see on the Discovery Channel cruising the Indian Ocean and just completely having their way with those adorable elephant seal pups -- flippin', splashin', and chompin'.

Anyway, I think most would agree that the Angels would never have traded for Manny years ago because his "salary was simply too outrageous" -- remember those grand old days? And I even thought last year's trade rumor centered around a package beginning with Wood, Kendrick, Marcia Brady, possibly Santana, and maybe even Mononucleic-man thrown in. Basically a veritable series of names that all here would have absolutely balked at and sadly, rightfully so. I believe this might actually be the beeping truck in Salt Lake 'duck was referring to.

I don't know, I guess my point is that in my humble Halos Heaven opinion, Manny is totally worth pursuing, without a doubt. If it's a gamble, it's one I would definitely make. No question. However, it doesn't seem like any of Boston's demands thus far rumored could possibly work for the Angels. I believe this last go 'round even had them asking for Shields, Santana, and Marcia Brady.

Vlad and Manny together as Arte's Angels? That would be unconscionable! And I don't even know what that word means...

by Bilko 420 on Jan 4, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions

Because...

... there's never been a trade you'd turn down. That I've seen.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Jan 4, 2007 6:56 PM PST up reply actions

Dad?

by Bilko 420 on Jan 4, 2007 9:07 PM PST up reply actions

There are a very few here who'd agree with you

However, you'll pretty much be relegated to the doghouse here with that idea.

The basic dynamic here is that we don't need Manny, because we have DMac and Kotchman.

I completely agree with you though. Ramirez would've looked so good in a halo uniform. The only thing is, we've learned in the past three months that Stoneman is never going to make that trade, or any other significant one, unless a player blows up at the manager and then Stoneman is told to trade a guy. It's just not in the cards.

Manny's gonna go somewhere; it's down to the final 2 years on his deal, so he's gonna end up somewhere. I'm very interested to see where, because I do think it will be to an AL club, so will it be in our division?

I feel the same way about Andruw Jones. The consensus around here was that he wasn't worth the young players (pretty unbelievable, but it is what it is). To me, Jones might be the most interesting individual player story to follow this season. He will be unrestricted, so will the Braves move him, or will they do the same thing the Nats did with Soriano, and get zero in return? And if they do trade Andruw, where's he going? Please not in our division, please no.

by goodvibe61 on Jan 4, 2007 11:58 PM PST up reply actions

OK, I'll bite

(First off, you are NEVER in the doghouse here, whether or not everybody agrees with you - you're an Angel fan who's allowed to voice his opinion)

What would your trade proposal be for Manny or Andruw?

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Churchill

by johnnyangel101 on Jan 5, 2007 1:02 AM PST up reply actions

There is no doghouse here

There is here and there is banned.

If you can still post, you are here.

If you cannot, you are johnsamo.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2007 1:24 AM PST up reply actions

Alas, poor johnsamo! I knew him, Horatio

My signature sucks.

by proletariat on Jan 5, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions

I wish someone would

post a thread telling the tale of the immortal johnsamo.

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 6, 2007 12:08 PM PST up reply actions

Moreno

Was interviewed on 570 this morning and said that all trades for power hitters would have cost 2 pitchers and in most cases both them being starters. He also said that Colon will not be ready for the start of the season.

So who would you have pitch? Take two starters out of our rotation and we are a very pedestrian team.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Jan 5, 2007 9:16 AM PST up reply actions

Facts

never get in the way of goodvibes61 when he's on one of his rants. He simply makes things up (such as people were opposed to trading for Andruw Jones, which is simply not the case, or his theory that there have been reasonable trade proposals that were rejected).

by jjackflash on Jan 5, 2007 4:24 PM PST up reply actions

Well

Technically speaking I was one of those opposed to Andruw. Though that was only at first and because he bastardized the spelling of my name.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 5, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions

You have a first name?

Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Jan 5, 2007 6:33 PM PST up reply actions

to simplify (oversimplify?)...

it seems like in order to get the big bat we would have to lose significant pitching. if that's indeed the case, then i'd rather have good pitching with mediocre hitting than great hitting and mediocre pitching.

by yeswecan on Jan 5, 2007 11:27 PM PST up reply actions

yup

walter johnson (won 25 though)
eppa rixey
jim scott (won 20)
and assorted others around the turn of the century and teens.

The closest on in modern era would be turk farrell in '62. He was 10-20 3.02

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 3, 2007 9:25 AM PST reply actions

This was

supposed to be in response to the trivia question above.

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 3, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions

Thanks for the research, inep'z

So you're saying there's a chance?

A prediction: In 2007 John Lackey will lose approximately 18 games with an ERA of 2.48.

There will be a dramatic year-end showdown with the Mariners' Jeff Weaver in which 12 homeruns will clear the centerfield wall, four batsmen will be hit, and eight players ejected.

Lackey will suffer multiple stab wounds at the hands of Jose Guillen. Napoli's courageous and heroic feats will forever secure his position as undisputed team leader through 2012, as the Mayan calendar completes and the world comes to an end.

by Bilko 420 on Jan 3, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions