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Sportswriter Bill Conlin Praises Hitler in Attack on Bloggers

If you have any interest in the uneasy divide between Mainstream print news reporters and bloggers, you may find this Fort Sumter-like volley by Philadephia Daily News sportwriter Bill Conlin interesting, if not downright shocking.

In attacking bloggers, Conlin goes all fanboy messageboard in an email retort to an internet sportsblogger, invoking a pleasurable presumption on how Adolf Hitler might have treated bloggers. Basically you just have to read the blow-by-blow to believe it, and it is still pretty unbelievable.

Print media is like the Titanic and its overpaid blowhard writers are hanging over the deck lecturing icebergs on the threat of global warming.

YES OR NO: Bill Conlin's retirement/termination will have been announced by Decmber 31?

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No.
As with Plaschke, this guy is an idiot whose job it is to sell newspapers by stirring up controversy. He'll be back.
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Nov 24, 2007 3:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Additionally
This is a country where leading presidential candidates can't man up and admit waterboarding is torture, and in fact stumble over themselves trying to find ways to out-Gitmo each other. We're only an election away from setting up an honest-to-God fascist as President (take your pick of Giuliani, Thompson, or McCain).
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Nov 24, 2007 3:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Enough is enough
Congrats scareduck for posting such idiocy that is in fact, more offensive than anything Bill Conlin has written.  You have set the bar high and I nominate you for PDY (panther-douchebag-of-the-year).

Rev, thought this blog was about baseball...specifically, Angel's baseball.  This is not the first time that mr. PDY has found a way to take a thread that has nothing to do with politics and inject his moronic views.  It is much like Walter in the Big Lebowski finding a way to correlate every situation to Viet Nam...

I come here to find out what is happening with the Angel's and how the fans react to our great team. Can we leave the kool-aid drinking, pinhead crap at Air America and get back to baseball???

by HaloMachismo on Nov 24, 2007 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this issue were about baseball...
...then we would be limiting our discussion to Rollins versus Wright for MVP. But not even a distant view of this thread would reveal that. This thread is not about baseball. It is not about the Angels. It is about the efforts of an established authority to maintain control over new ideas and the sharing of these new ideas so as to extend it's control and authority. And it is about the invocation of the most heineous figure in modern history to protect that authority.

Protecting the voice of new ideas is a fundamental principal of the Bill Of Rights. We are reacting in anger here in the blogosphere because we ARE the platform of new ideas and beyond the control of traditional communications authority.

This is a Constitutional discussion. Not Angels. Not baseball. Scareduck is well within his rights to add to a Constitutional dialog here. Regardless of how I might feel about his position, I defend his right to say it.

Additionally, I find it rather ironic that the gist of his statements are that our Bill Of Rights are threatened from within, and your response as a fellow citizen is to suggest that we proscribe those rights guaranteed under the same document.

Hmmmm.

by Stirrups on Nov 24, 2007 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My take...
is that it's about journalism, old vs. new.  

The columnist represents the old-school, The Rev and other bloggers the new.  

I'm not sure it's much more complicated, or political, than that.  

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Conlin's invocation of Hitler
moved the discussion out of the realm of simple social and economic competition, and into the realm of political and military solutions as a means to enforce the will of the old social gaurd.

by Stirrups on Nov 24, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The quantum leap
was from Hitler to Bush, which was the strange segue that Rob seemed to be making.  

I'd suppose that comparing Hitler to Bush, regardless of political bent, should be labeled hyperbole.  Comparing Bush to Hitler (i.e. "Bushitler" for but one example), though, at some point became cliche.  It doesn't even faze anyone anymore; people do not hesitate to cry fascism or even nazism.  Dare I say, it might even be an acceptable part of the dialogue these days, at least to some.    

I'm not going to be the one to defend Bush (who the #$%! wants that job), but I will say that comparisons to Hitler are implicitly offensive in a way not entirely unlike Conlin's casual Hitler analogy.  I cringe at what the world's remaining survivors must feel like to see the Holocaust trivialized so effortlessly.

I'm in line with my list of complaints, like many, but I'm not about to lose all perspective by comparing the modern U.S. to the Germany and Poland that my grandparents fled.  NO WAY.      

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Does that Kool-aid you are drinking come in more than one flavor?  I have read several of your posts and find that you provide the same kind of entertainment that your buddy Scareduck does.

This blog is about baseball. Angel's baseball. That is why it is called Halos Heaven. You see, if it was called "Twisted words from the douchebag left", then your posts would be at home here.

As for your contention that ANY of this is about someone posting "new" ideas, you are sadly mistaken.  There is nothing "new" about anyone thinking that the big, bad, bogeyman is out to get them.

Jesus man, get back on your meds and leave your basement once in a while.

by HaloMachismo on Nov 24, 2007 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI
 There have been plenty of nonAngel, nonBaseball topics posted on this blog. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it.I personally kinda dig talking music, poker, or whatever else I seem to have in common with people on here aside from the obvious reason we're here. Start your own strict topic blog if dont like it.

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 24, 2007 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rev's Rule No. 1:
"The Angels and Baseball are the topics."
". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Nov 25, 2007 2:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow you're right......
 I never even noticed "the rules". Times have changed, I guess I'll just bite my lip whenever something off topic comes up. Rev must've gotten sick of the old day off threads that had nothing to do with either. No worries though, my bad.....

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 25, 2007 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF...
First off, you would do well to find a second smackdown beyond Kool-aid. It would liven up your posts. I know there are more out there. Google should help you find some.

Second, your flame-post methodology is totally transparent, and I will not submit. Being a knee-jerk, hair-triggered, venom-spewing blog maniac in order to stifle discussion works well on many other blog sites. But this place is, as you write, about baseball. It doesn't stick around here.

Third, I reject your attempt to pigeon-hole me, on it's face. I am a 46-year strong supporter and faithful fan of the Angels and, unlike Rob, I am not pessimistic by nature. Nor are the vast, vast majority of my posts. Hell, I might even be a member of the Republican Party longer than you, as well.

Fourth, and back on topic, perhaps I was too abstract for your way of thinking, so let me be of some help here: I was not defending Rob's notion about bogeymen tracking him down. I was defending his right, as an American, to declare his position. Yes, he did it here, on a blog called Halos Heaven, which is about Angels baseball. But it was the blog moderator himself, Rev, and not Rob who created this non-Angels baseball thread. As long as Rob confines his non-baseball views within this thread, and relative to the thread topic, his right to express himself should be defended instead of stifled. However, any time he takes such posts outside of a political thread than go right ahead and blast him. Or do as I do, and ignore him. As I am now going to do with you. So, go ahead, get the last word in with impugnity.

by Stirrups on Nov 24, 2007 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

funny
Your last post is so cleverly condescending and completely off point.  I find it very telling to see how many times you make absolutely incorrect assumptions and then use those as a basis for your arguments.  It truly reveals your true agenda.  

You assume I have nothing better to do than live in the blogosphere using my "methodology" to stifle discussion.  Fact is, this is the only blog I ever read or post anything to.  I have 2 companies to run as well as a family and a mortgage to feed. Bottom line is I don't have the gift of a lot of free time...in fact, I have precious little.  So when I spend some of that precious time to read about my favorite team in my favorite sport, the last thing I need or want to read is about how our president, or anyone running for president from the so called right is a facist....in a baseball themed blog.  I could care less if posts are on or off topic, whatever that topic may be.  I reacted to the absolute stupity of the orginal post. It offends me as an American that has both friends and family in harms way defending your right to say whatever it is that makes you feel important.

However, I am in no way trying to stifle anyone from saying anything and I certainly have no ambition or ability to try and stop any discussion. Post whatever you want.  If I feel strongly about it, I will post something back. You know, as in a discussion. Sorry if that is too abstract for your argument.

It is also interesting that you assume that I am a card carrying Republican. This is also not true. I have always been registered as an independant and the only way I lean is opposite of stupidity, whether that be from the right or the left.

As for your pigeonhole comment, looks like maybe you were simply projecting.  There was nothing in any of my previous posts that had anything to do with whether or not you are pessimistic, middle-aged, or a stong supporter of Angel's baseball. WTF does that have to do with anything?

So please do me the favor of not doing the very thing you accuse me of trying to do. I encourage discussion and everyone's ability to express their beliefs, whether they jive with mine or not.  Frankly, I am somewhat disappointed that there have not been more posts on this thread.

To the rest of you that couldn't give a shit about any of this, I apologize for taking up any of your precious time.

by HaloMachismo on Nov 24, 2007 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!
I had to go to you tube again to watch the video.  "Don't tase me, bro...OW"
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally?
Wow.  That almost made it look like it was relevant to the discussion.

It almost seems ironic that a poster who prides himself on being the wayward voice on nearly every topic so easily, and naturally, succumbs to groupthink to an extent that requires the posting of, essentially, a paraphrasing of every paranoid op-ed piece I've read for almost five years now.  

We heard you the first 15,000 times you worked Guantanamo Bay or George Bush or Halliburton or whatever into an Angel or baseball thread.  Okay, okay...neo-con, gitmo, fascist, oil, inside job, blah, blah, blah.  Enough already.  Take it to the streets, or the polls or, really, anywhere else.

Man alive.  

 

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this kind of shit is so obvious
How the fuck did Bush get re-elected?

by LosAngel on Nov 24, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude,
it's obvious.  Halliburton and its pet chimp clearly stole both elections.  They stole the first election so they could pepetrate an "inside job" and they stole the second one so they could torture everybody.  As I write, the chimp's armed forces are torturing and executing American children, just in case they should be thinking about voting for anyone other than Bush.  Now that Bush has "supsended habeas corpus," it's only a matter of time before he alters the constitution further and institutes himself as king, just so that he can torture people and plan more inside jobs and get all the oil.  Bush lied, dude, and people died, dude.  The whole government is just a big conspiracy.  Did you know that we never even landed on the moon?  Dude, there's so much going on.  It's like Vietnam all over again.  And your kids are going to be drafted and then they're going to torture everyone and then they're going to get killed fighting an illegal war for an evil hegemon hellbent on the destruction of earth.  And now he's killing the polar bears, glaciers, and icebergs.  Not in my name!
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well, you'll be crying
when they come to get you, pal.  Crying like a little girl, because the evil chimp can't get enough soldiers and now he's going to start drafting you and your wife and your sons and daughters and your parents if they're still alive.  You'll have Thanksgiving in the middle of a sandstorm in Iraq, pal.  Nobody's safe, man, except Halliburton and Exxon.  

It's just like Neil Armstrong punching out the folks trying to spread the truth, man.  Well, Neil Armstrong deserves to be punched for his part in all of these lies.  And Ron Paul is just the man for the job.  Vote Ron Paul and he'll punch out that braggart Armstrong.

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 8:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No way dude..
not until I save the glaciers and prove that we never landed on the moon in 1969.  But if George W. Bush (the genius idiot chimp draft-dodging coke-tooting cowboy) has his way, we'll conquer the moon.

Ask yourself this:  Who benefits from us going to the moon?  That's right...the Bush family.  It takes a lot of fricking fossil fuels to get to the moon, pal.  If you don't think that we're trying to return to the moon for oil, you're fooling yourself.  We're fricking imperialists man, and we're not stopping in the Middle East.  Next thing you know, soldiers will be dying on fricking Uranus, man.  Uranus will be filled with U.S. troops.  And if you think that sounds scary, wait 'til you see the Bush plan to nuke Canada, man.  That's right, he's going to invade Canada too.

You step off the ledge first, man.  The government will be watching you.

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense
We all know the moon plan was perpetuated by the Kennedy family in the nascent stages of their plan to use "conflicts" with Soviet Russia to gradually demoralize, corrupt, and ultimately consume the U.S. populace.

by Clutch on Nov 24, 2007 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This proves it....
Duck is really Markos Moulitsas posting as his alter-ego, "Rob".

So Scareduck owns this site after all....

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 24, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First thing's first...
...this guy is clearly an A-grade tool.  He criticises bloggers for saying exactly what they like without any checks and balances and then suggests, essentially, that Hitler was right to kill freedom of speech in Nazi Germany, and it should be applied in the States. Don't you guys have an amendment (or something) about that in your constitution?

More important to me, as an Englishman, however, is his use of Shakespeare (which I suspect he has neither seen or read).  If you're going to quote it, make sure it fits the use.

When MacBeth talks of "A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" he is talking about the futility of life in the context of the death of his wife (even though, frankly, she had it coming).  Between the lines, it is Shakespeare referring quite self-deprecatingly about the value of theatre.  It had nothing to do with freedom of speech or the silencing of the masses, it is a lament to his own loss, and perhaps to his inevitable demise to follow.

English literature police, over and out.

I see red people

by The Limey on Nov 24, 2007 3:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How refreshing!
All of a sudden, I don't feel as if I'm waiting for a drink in Hussongs.

by wumbug on Nov 24, 2007 4:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn!
When I wrote that, I didn't realize how correct (right) I would be.

by wumbug on Nov 24, 2007 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Panther.
Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 24, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What an amazing document
Relatedly, I often wonder -- do the L.A. Times editors even realize what an embarrassment Plaschke is?

by mattwelch on Nov 24, 2007 8:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Sterotype of the old Grouchy Sportswriter
The Hitler thing was in a private email, so I'm not sure how much trouble he can be in for that.

It's funny that his paper is in Philadelphia, and that he is basically trying to put down free speech, then he says something momumentally stupid and people are hoping HE gets silenced.

I would love to know what that guy's SAT scores were and college grades, if he went to college.

P.S. I still think Matt Holliday should have won the MVP.

by elricsi on Nov 24, 2007 9:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fat Bill Conlin
is a self-righteous ignoramus, and ironically proud of it.

I was treated/subjected to his mindless nattering in the Philly papers on a regular basis during my time in college.  It's hard to express the contempt I hold for him.

Conlin is the archetype of the fatso sportswriter: bitter that he lacks athletic ability, he delights in using his position influence sports.

Case in point: he refused to put Nolan Ryan on anywhere on his HOF ballot (you can vote for up to 10 candidates) during Ryan's first year of eligibility.  His reasoning: Conlin's hero, Joe DiMaggio, was not a unanimous first-ballot selection, so Conlin sees it as his duty to make sure nobody ever becomes a unanimous, first-ballot selection.

by jjackflash on Nov 24, 2007 12:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No.
He won't be fired.  If anything, he might be lauded for bring a little extra readership to a dying, old-guard newspaper.
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Nov 24, 2007 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

NO
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Nov 24, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No. Paid leave of absence, if anything.
In this case, the Hitler reference is nothing more than a lack of creativity from a over-rated, has-been.  If he had said, 'If I were king...' or 'In a reasonable society...,' he would have been fine but instead he was simply lazy.  He committed the common blog-posting crime of invoking Hitler in an apparent attempt to intimidate.  It's not anti-semitism it's poor writing.  A professional should know better.
Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 24, 2007 4:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

To Directy Answer
the query, no, he won't be fired.  Fat Bill Conlin has always been a terrible, addle-minded and unprofessional writer, yet he's managed to keep a job this long.  Why should it be any different today?

by jjackflash on Nov 24, 2007 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm not for Hitler...but
Look, I probably hate Hitler more than any of you, since both my mom and dad were slaves in his concentration camps. However, I have a greater distaste for capitalism than I do for this writer, who is but part of the capitalist world-economy. The irksome part of the naivete of the American people is how they fought the Civil War over an Abolitionist movement that had already been in effect in the rest of the world. England, France and every Western society had abolished and outlawed slavery - as economically it was cheaper to hire an immigrant worker than house and feed a slave. This was way before the Civil War. So the lies and crap that our Constitution grants us, while it may be free it may also be a lot of crap. Oh forgot, the U.S. set up the State of Liberia in Africa in 1821 where slaves were supposed to get themselves to when they were freed even though they had no education, money, or way to get there. Why not send Conklin there and set up a new colony and write his own constitution?

Anyhow, I've never heard of this guy and I probably never would have unless someone posted it here.

by roidrage on Nov 24, 2007 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

faschist.
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 25, 2007 12:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No
I'l be interested to see how he recovers from his now very public spew.
and Salmon goes upstream!

by LAcubedfan on Nov 25, 2007 3:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jackass
Bloggers are just as vulnerable to defamation lawsuits as large media outlets and the First Amendment has nothing to do with his comment.

How ironic that he should act like such and authority on Constitutional law, so much so that he calls out the blogger, when he has absolutely no clue.

by Dingodile on Nov 26, 2007 9:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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