Morneau WTF?!?
Tony Reagins has gone insane. Seriously. I think his pent up frustration sitting under Bill Stoneman and watching him do nothing has caught up with him. He's like a kid in a candy store!
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/11/27/12537/055
From the link:
Just heard on AM 570 here in Orange County, that a possible Morneau deal is being worked on between the Angels and Twins. According to the sports update, the deal would include Morneau heading to the Angels in exchange for Casey Kotchman and Ervin Santana.\
I dont know how I feel about this. I still think Santana is good upside, but why would the Twins make this move? Is it because they cant lock up Morneau long term?
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This is nuts
by BruinHalo on
Nov 27, 2007 10:09 AM PST
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I really
Yet, if this rumor is true, we'll give up a lot less to get Morneau and hopefully sign him. Plus he's a lefty stick.
by Ty Webb on
Nov 27, 2007 10:13 AM PST
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Maybe...
by Ajax on
Nov 27, 2007 10:14 AM PST
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Agree
by Crapper John MD on
Nov 27, 2007 10:23 AM PST
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Or better yet...
2b Chone
CF Toriiii
RF/DH Vlad
3b Fatty C
1b Morneau
LF GMJ
DH GA
SS Aybar/Wood/Maicer
C Naps
That wouldn't suck. Bring on the Sawx.
by Ajax on
Nov 27, 2007 3:45 PM PST
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The Sun Sentinel
Take the two together and you have Kendrick, Kotchman, Mathis, Willits, Santana, and Adenhart for Morneau and Cabrera. Do I think it will happen? No. But is it possible? Yes.
Holy crap can you imagine our team if it did happen!!!
2B Figgins
1B Morneau
DH Vlad
3B Cabrera
LF G.A.
CF Hunter
RF Matthews
Ca Napoli
SS Izturis
Plus a rotation of Lackey, Escobar, Weaver, Garland, and Saunders. It's too good to be true!
by DChalofan on
Nov 27, 2007 10:26 AM PST
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someone feed this to MLB Trade Rumors
by Jay Cal on
Nov 27, 2007 11:35 AM PST
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Done, done, and done
by Ajax on
Nov 27, 2007 10:13 AM PST
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Morneau's stats are just a notch below Cabrera's.
by 44FAN on
Nov 27, 2007 12:44 PM PST
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I'm done listening to rumors.
by Higz on
Nov 27, 2007 10:13 AM PST
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I agree
by BruinHalo on
Nov 27, 2007 10:19 AM PST
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It's content
Plus, it gives us something to talk about while the Marlins and Angels fight over their package.
by Ty Webb on
Nov 27, 2007 10:22 AM PST
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smoke and mirrors is right
I like our infields upside. Sure mourneau hits more dingers but he is more expensive. You make the offer of Willits, Santana, Aybar and maybe Adenhart to the Marlins if they don't like it we will be fine this season with Figgy at third and a platoon of Aybar and Izturis at SS. Plus we all know that Wood will get his shot very soon maybe even by mid year.
Yes Aybar isn't great at the plate but COULD improve, but he does have a great glove. So you bat him 8th or 9th and take his .260 BA and deal with it.
DO NOT GIVE UP HOWIE!!!!!!!
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 27, 2007 10:40 AM PST
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Willits, Santana, Aybar and maybe Adenhart ?
by gohalos on
Nov 27, 2007 10:44 AM PST
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"Haven't you ever been to Mexico?'
by autrys cowboys on
Nov 27, 2007 3:09 PM PST
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why
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 27, 2007 10:42 AM PST
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I think
by Ty Webb on
Nov 27, 2007 10:47 AM PST
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What?
by Dogman on
Nov 27, 2007 10:52 AM PST
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we only have one...
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 11:51 AM PST
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wrong
I'm just saying Cabreras a great player but... remember when a couple years ago our defense was almost worst in the league and we had trouble winning those close games as a result, with Cabreras glove the way it is, he giveth and he taketh away.
Don't sell everything for the golden cow (pun intended) Make your offer stick to your guns if it works out I'd love him here, but not for that huge a price... there are cheaper options
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 27, 2007 11:56 AM PST
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Hunter has never come close to hitting .300
by edhoo on
Nov 27, 2007 11:59 AM PST
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Call me old fashioned
Not that he does it consistently, but in reality the guy is 5 hits a year from being a .300 hitter in about 4 different seasons.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Nov 27, 2007 1:07 PM PST
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Nope!
Is GA a .300 hitter? His career avg. over 13 full seasons is .297.
by SactoFan on
Nov 27, 2007 3:59 PM PST
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He said
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Nov 27, 2007 8:22 PM PST
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.289 is very close to .300
by scareduck on
Nov 27, 2007 6:54 PM PST
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Good Fielding...Good Pitching.....Boat load of POP
Morneau lifetime 1B .995 FP
Izturis Lifetime 3B .941 GP 185
Figgins Lifetime 3B .954 FP GP 281
M. Cabrera Lifetime 3B .942 FP GP 375
Izturis Lifetime 2B .995
Figgins Lifetime 2B .973
Kendrick Last Year2B .978 .983 Lifetime
Aybar Lifetime 2B .977
Izturis Lifetime SS .955
Figgins Lifetime SS .952
Aybar Lifetime SS .913 OUCH!! .949 Minors
Keeping Izturis and Figgins gives you more versatility and nothing lost as far as fielding and hitting because you are getting serious run production by trading Kotch and Santana for Morneau.
Trade Willits, Mathis, Howie, and Adenhart you get M.Cabrera. Still have Aybar and you have a sick lineup of
GA 16HR
Vlad 27HR
Hunter 28HR
GMJ 18HR
M. Cabrera 34HR
Morneau 31HR
Figgins 3HR
Izturis 6HR
Napoli 10HR
50 more HR right here with these 9 then the whole Angel Roster had last year as a team
by Angel Aviator on
Nov 27, 2007 1:38 PM PST
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Is AM 570
by jtkelly86 on
Nov 27, 2007 10:50 AM PST
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And can we confirm
by ghostofwallyjoyner on
Nov 27, 2007 10:51 AM PST
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this could make some sense...
- twins could be close to trading johan to the yanks. they'll probably get hughes, chamberlain, and melky or cano
- the rumor was leaked which isn't ninja to bring the marlins asking price down for migcab
- if the rumor is kotch and santana it probably is kotch+santana or saunders and willits (if melky isn't in the yankees deal) or gmj w/the angels eating some of his salary.
- the twins could have a rotation of liriano (if healthy) - bonser-garza-santana or saunders-hughes-chamberlain (move him to the pen after nathan's contract is up) the twins could afford to let silva go and get draft pick compensation
- angels can either stop the migcab deal and keep howie, wood, adenhart, mathis.
- in an espn the magazine backpage interview w/dan patrick last year morneau listed: yankee stadium, fenway park and anaheim as his favorite places to play.
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 10:54 AM PST
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It seems so convenient
"Yeah... I love getting boo'ed every time I come up to the plate."
Of course every player with the chance at a trade "loves to play in NY, Boston, and Anaheim." It would be awesome if for once a player said, "honestly, I'd just love to play in Kansas City"
by BruinHalo on
Nov 27, 2007 11:02 AM PST
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A player with reverence for history of the game...
by ghostofwallyjoyner on
Nov 27, 2007 11:04 AM PST
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Wow
by gorams77 on
Nov 27, 2007 11:15 AM PST
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How does this make the Twins better?
by ghostofwallyjoyner on
Nov 27, 2007 11:17 AM PST
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Casey
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Nov 27, 2007 11:25 AM PST
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If this is true
I like kotch a lot but not nearly as much as howie and i'm pretty sure he has been hexed by Russel martin's throw to his dome.
by jtkelly86 on
Nov 27, 2007 11:22 AM PST
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I have no intention
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Nov 27, 2007 11:25 AM PST
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If this deal goes down...
by Jay Cal on
Nov 27, 2007 11:33 AM PST
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Conspiracy Theory
Or is it a coincidence that OC wasn't mentioned in the season ticket renewal package even though he had won the GG?
by Crapper John MD on
Nov 27, 2007 11:34 AM PST
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wouldnt
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Nov 27, 2007 11:37 AM PST
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Wouldn't...
Rivera is going to be a bench player at best. Santana and Kotch have a huge upside, but we're talking about Morneau whom, could add a hell of a lot of pop to our line-up.
by Jay Cal on
Nov 27, 2007 11:41 AM PST
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Rivera a bench-player at best??
cmon - let's not lose perspective here
by Grichfan on
Nov 27, 2007 11:51 AM PST
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Maybe i mis-spoke
So unless Rivera wants to learn 3rd, he will spend 2008 as a bench player for the Angels.
by Jay Cal on
Nov 27, 2007 11:59 AM PST
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Which is sad
by Dogman on
Nov 27, 2007 12:25 PM PST
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Actually, the sad thing is that
Everyone leans on one good 3/4 of a season he had (a season when Scioscia used him carefully and deliberately) two years ago as proof that any number of Angel outfielders should sit and JR should play.
I don't know about you, but at a certain point, a player like Juan Rivera needs to do something, and fans need to stop making excuses for him. He's been an underachiever his entire career; he's not getting any younger or any lighter.
He may be theoretically better than Hunter, Matthews, or Anderson, but I'd gladly take any three of those players over a guy who CAN'T STAY (or even earn a spot) IN THE LINEUP.
His promise means nearly nothing. At some point, people need to stop hanging their hat on a thirty year old "prospect."
by Retire4 on
Nov 27, 2007 12:47 PM PST
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I didn't call him a "prospect"
Therefore, I stand by statement that I would play him ahead of the other guys because ... wait for it ... I wouldn't play him ahead of those guys if he's hurt!
If he's hurt, I agree with you: he's not as good as the other guys. I didn't say we should get rid of those other guys because of Rivera. I just wish he would get more ABs than Anderson or Matthews (if healthy). Apparently I always have to say "if healthy" or you'll go off on me.
by Dogman on
Nov 27, 2007 2:10 PM PST
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Hunter and Anderson
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Nov 27, 2007 2:14 PM PST
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It's not only about
Rivera has the talent to be a good player. But to call him a better player than proven veterans like Hunter and GA overvalues his raw skills and undervalues the ability of Hunter and GA to play enough games to be the proven veterans that they are. If you can't stay in the lineup, for whatever variety of reasons, then you're just a bench guy, in Rivera's case a fourth outfielder (his defining MLB role to this point), not worthy of displacing the game's true professionals on the hope that, suddenly, it will all come together.
I would argue, then, that either GA or Hunter is the "better player" (relative to Rivera). Each player has battled injuries, the difference is that Hunter and GA still have managed to play most of their team's games, as starters no less, and without the benefit of worried managers playing them only strategically/selectively.
As to "prospect," that was my term. I was giving Rivera (and you) the benefit of the doubt. Because, in my eyes, the guys on your bench are either prospects or benchwarming journeymen. Rivera is either still to be considered a prospect of some kind or he's suddenly the most glorified benchwarming journeyman in recent memory. Either way, it still seems odd to call a player like Rivera a better player than GA. Obviously, as it relates to what you'd like to see in a ballplayer, Rivera is promising (thus the word prospect). But, in reality, Rivera is GA's cabana boy, always has been and always will be.
They're just my opinions, incidentally.
by Retire4 on
Nov 27, 2007 5:16 PM PST
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he disappears in the first half of the...
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 11:53 AM PST
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on paper
I say trade Juan, we have enough outfielders and he deserves to be somewhere he can play every single day, it's not like he is going to be a high impact bat, the dude did just come off a year where he didn't play due to a broken leg so i wouldn't count on him too much.
by jtkelly86 on
Nov 27, 2007 11:56 AM PST
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Reality
Why would the twins
A.) not shop him to all teams for the best package (Yankees, hello?)
B.) piss off their fanbase so much before moving into a new stadium?
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Nov 27, 2007 11:56 AM PST
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Kotch had a higher OPS then Morneau
by edhoo on
Nov 27, 2007 11:59 AM PST
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Actually edhoo is right
by 101halo on
Nov 27, 2007 12:54 PM PST
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And
by Angel Aviator on
Nov 27, 2007 1:58 PM PST
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If it did happen
I see it as a deliberat leak to see how Florida reacts. Btw, I'd take Morneau over Cabrera, we give up less.
by SactoFan on
Nov 27, 2007 12:32 PM PST
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I'm beginning to see a trend for this offseason
Rather than speculate and pitch in my 2 cents before any move is made, I'll opt to react with "WTF(s)" as they happen, which, btw, have been on the positive side for me so far...
by Big Easy Halofan on
Nov 27, 2007 12:55 PM PST
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right but how much fun is this?...
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 1:10 PM PST
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Exactly
I think I am more addicted to checking this board this offseason than at any point during the season since I discovered this place a few years back. And there are many, many others who would probably say the same. That's pretty exciting.
by agermer on
Nov 27, 2007 2:01 PM PST
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I totally agree -- this is fun as hell
by Big Easy Halofan on
Nov 27, 2007 2:57 PM PST
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Fun As HELL!!!!
by Hapyorange on
Nov 27, 2007 4:43 PM PST
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If
by AngelKeith on
Nov 28, 2007 7:55 AM PST
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there are more proposals (trades that is)...
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 1:11 PM PST
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new reagins nickname...
by thejd on
Nov 27, 2007 1:14 PM PST
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I like Morneau, but...
What happened?
by Angels on
Nov 27, 2007 2:53 PM PST
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No, No, not Morneau
by Hapyorange on
Nov 27, 2007 4:09 PM PST
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You could try going to the Del Taco
by 44FAN on
Nov 27, 2007 4:44 PM PST
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Now
by anaheimisnotla on
Nov 27, 2007 7:11 PM PST
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Ive been thinking. . .
If the Twins are getting rid of Johan, they might as well get rid of Morneau. Together they will get a REALLY nice package of 6-7 young, quality, cheap, mlb ready players. Put them together with Liriano, Nathan, Mauer, Cuddyer, and Casilla you have a pretty solid team in my eyes.
More importantly, the Angels lineup would be mighty dangerous:
Name Bats Position
Figgins Swtich 3B
HK Right 2B
Vlad Right RF/DH
Morneau Left 1B
Hunter Right CF
GA Left LF/DH
Izturis Swtich SS
Napoli Right C
GMJ Swithc RF/LF/DH
The bottom 3 could change while Mathis, Aybar, Wood, and platoon of outfielders give starters days off. I have been saying since begining of last season Wood will take over at SS midway through this season.
That lineup with Lackey, Escobar, Weaver, Garland, Saunders looks pretty solid to me.
by krush40 on
Nov 27, 2007 10:48 PM PST
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Interesting that minorleaguebaseball.com
by 44FAN on
Nov 27, 2007 11:05 PM PST
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Not surprising
by ghostofwallyjoyner on
Nov 28, 2007 2:33 AM PST
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The way this offseason has gone
by DChalofan on
Nov 28, 2007 6:21 AM PST
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Except ...
We do know that the Angels and Twins are talking, and side deals often spring from such conversations.
by ghostofwallyjoyner on
Nov 28, 2007 6:36 AM PST
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