Miguel Cabrera to the Angels?

by Rev Halofan on Nov 8, 2007 2:00 AM PST in News

If A-Rod goes to a higher bidder, The Chronicler sees a lot of plusses in trading a big package of players to the Florida Marlins in exchange for Miguel Cabrera.

L I N K -to- A N A L Y S I S

Read it, he almost convinced me!

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He's FAT

Him and Colon eat cheesburgers between innings.

I like a trade for him IF and ONLY IF we don't have to trade Santana, and if he is CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to get his ass in shape.

East coast bias

by Carl Johnson on Nov 8, 2007 7:36 AM PST 0 recs

Weight Clause

Let's get a weight clause put into his contract like Schilling has in his contract. Let's make it worth his while to get his ass in shape.

Pain heals, Chicks dig scars, Glory lasts Forever!

by billhune on Nov 8, 2007 7:52 AM PST up 0 recs

Miggy is headed to the sack

but I mean first base, not the hot corner.

Pass on him.

The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Nov 8, 2007 8:33 AM PST 0 recs

Second prize

Trading for Miggy is still a poor second to signing Arod. We'd only have him for two years and then he'd be getting a bigger contract than what Arod is going to get.

I'd still do it, but I'd overpay for Arod first.

by akathelorax on Nov 8, 2007 9:34 AM PST 0 recs

I I Captain

I would rather pay too.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Nov 8, 2007 10:49 AM PST up 0 recs

It is going to cost the moon

The Dodgers tried to pry Cabrera away from the Marlins last summer when they discussed a deal that would have sent Matt Kemp, James Loney and Chad Billingsley to Florida, but the Marlins balked.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071107&content_id=2295572&vkey=hotstove2007&fe xt=.jsp

Mike wants some slugging and so do I.

by hauldog on Nov 8, 2007 9:35 AM PST 0 recs

From MLB Trade Rumors

"Bill Shaikin speculates on Brandon Wood, Nick Adenhart, and Mike Napoli/Jeff Mathis/Hank Conger. I'd make that deal."

That would probably be fair to both sides... but I don't think I'm willing to give up that much, unless they throw Willis into the package. (Maybe we could add Murphy or Willits.)

If we got rid of BWood, I see OC resigning with us -- I would definitely re-sign him. But I am definitely not sold on Migbrera yet...

I'd prefer to throw some money at A-Rod first... we can afford money, but not prospects.

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 8, 2007 9:51 AM PST 0 recs

Also, the problem is,

very few teams are seriously interested in A-Rod. A lot of teams would trade for Migbrera, which will drive up the price.

So, in essence, I vote for D-Mac... j/k, but it would be nice to see him show up one of these days :)

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 8, 2007 9:53 AM PST up 0 recs

McPherson!!!!!

I is back and healthy.....This will be the year if we do not sign A-rod, McPherson will become our most dangerous power hitter.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Nov 8, 2007 10:52 AM PST up 0 recs

Sometimes I wonder, with your infatuation

With our prospects, if you are just Bill Stoneman.

If so, I have to say, Bill, please learn how to use punctuation.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 8, 2007 12:16 PM PST up 0 recs

no thanks

although im not as high on wood as i used to be, i at least can see the guy remaining a third basemen past 2010. cabrera will be a 1B/DH by then.

but vlad will obviously be a DH by then and we have kotchman.

so whats the perk to cabrera over a-rod. the offense is comparable albeit MC will be younger and (presumably) able to do it for more years.

but is a fat cabrera with bad work ethic at 28 going to be any better than a motivated rodriguez at 36?

the thing is that when rodriguez is old enough to move to DH, vlad will unfortunately be gone most likely. i just dont see cabrera's offense in itself being worth our future pitching, best run scorer and best potential.

i would, however, trade all of that for a-rod and we dont even have to.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 8, 2007 10:00 AM PST 0 recs

Cabrera is a great hitter

but he just doesn't fit the team

He could DH, but that needs to be Vlad's position next year

A-Rod just makes tons more sense

Get rid of Quinlan

by edhoo on Nov 8, 2007 12:04 PM PST 0 recs

From Ken Rosenthal:

"The Cabrera talks intensified at the general managers' meetings on Wednesday, with the Angels showing the heaviest interest, according to major-league sources.

The Marlins are insisting that the Angels include second baseman Howie Kendrick, sources say. The Angels almost certainly would prefer to part with less established players. Third baseman Brandon Wood would be a strong possibility, and the Angels also could satisfy the Marlins' needs for a young catcher and young pitching."

Linky link

The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Nov 8, 2007 12:05 PM PST 0 recs

DO NOT TRADE HOWIE

DO NOT TRADE HOWIE!

Wanted: Any position player with power

by gorams77 on Nov 8, 2007 12:10 PM PST up 0 recs

I'm sorry - let me be more articulate...

DO NOT TRADE HOWIE!

I actually can't say that I would too upset to trade Wood, Santana, and Mathis for Cabrerra. You would just hope that a team with a stronger veteran precense and strong manager will help steer his conditioning to an acceptable level.

But just in case the cheap sheats couldn't hear..
DO NOT TRADE HOWIE!

Wanted: Any position player with power

by gorams77 on Nov 8, 2007 12:14 PM PST up 0 recs

I agree

Under no circumstances should we trade potentially one of our best on-base guys

by Angels22 on Nov 8, 2007 7:39 PM PST up 0 recs

I say its a dead deal then

no way should the Angels trade Howie.

Make it two for three, with Dontrelle, and a little cash , maybe.

by eyespy on Nov 8, 2007 10:27 PM PST up 0 recs

GET AROD

we don't have to lose any prospects to get a-rod. A-rod is better than cabrera. A-rod plays better defense and is in better shape than cabrera. We can sign a-rod to a longer term contract where as if we go after Cabrera we only get him for the remainder of his contract and have to part with our most coveted prospects.

by BoulderBrian on Nov 8, 2007 12:30 PM PST 0 recs

Just say no to $30+ mil

We can't bring in A-Rod making that much moola. It's just not worth it, and he has no leadership presence whatsoever. I'm not saying Miggy is better in the attitude department, but he can only improve in that department (and conditioning, too).

by BayAreaDM on Nov 8, 2007 1:59 PM PST 0 recs

kendrick

marlins are apparently holding out for howie being included in the deal. this is likely in addition to wood and adenhart.

still rather make a trade for this fatass?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 8, 2007 3:33 PM PST up 0 recs

No, Not Howie!

Marlins are high if they think they'll pry Howie away. A-Rod, in spite of his cost, will provide a higher return for Arte from a marketing perspective (as was mentioned in an earlier thread), so the cost should be offset. Besides, he's not a fat tub of goo who will be a full time DH before the age of 30.

Maybe he'll have to play Vlad $20 mil when he extends him, but so what. It's the cost of doing business.

by Chris Knapps Sac on Nov 8, 2007 3:56 PM PST 0 recs

Rosenthal

The Marlins are asking the Angels for second baseman Howie Kendrick, third baseman Brandon Wood and Class AA right-hander Nick Adenhart, sources say.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7421808

Mike wants some slugging and so do I.

by hauldog on Nov 8, 2007 4:22 PM PST 0 recs

My opinion:

Screw 'em.

by wumbug on Nov 8, 2007 4:24 PM PST up 0 recs

That is crazy

I want to trade for him, but not at that cost.

by DChalofan on Nov 11, 2007 8:10 AM PST up 0 recs

Bad Argument

The Chronicler argues that the guy is lazy, fat, and this will impact his career but then suggests trading Wood and others for him because somehow we can't live without him. there is no way you involve Howie in a trade for this guy. Weird reasoning.

by tanana40 on Nov 8, 2007 4:24 PM PST 0 recs

plus

do we need a poor defensive third baseman?

by tanana40 on Nov 8, 2007 4:26 PM PST up 0 recs

Its called pro's and con's

I know some people here think that everything is either 0 or 1, but there are things in between.

by akathelorax on Nov 8, 2007 5:26 PM PST up 0 recs

yes but

you have to weigh the pros and cons, if you can get the guy relatively cheap then of course the guy would help the team tremendously. But if you have to gut the team and trade aways players like Howie, for a guy who doesn't work hard and stay in shape and is a poor defensive 3b, then in my mind the cons outweigh the pros.

by tanana40 on Nov 8, 2007 7:10 PM PST up 0 recs

cabrera is a special player...

and you if you played for a team that won a world series your rookie year and sat back and watched the organization trade away every proven star to save money, was constantly picked to finish at the bottom of your division, played in an empty stadium, had to constantly hear about the struggles for the team to get a real stadium in the local press, the team you play for doesn't try to give you a long term deal and play in a city with the best nightlife, hottest chicks and latin influence being a latin player but we're still able to put up the numbers he did. that's not too bad.

by thejd on Nov 8, 2007 4:24 PM PST 0 recs

Cabrera is a "special" player

Just like Bartolo Colon... he gets his own special buffet table at team celebrations.

Seriously... I agree. Playing in such a crappy environment, who wouldn't go crazy on their health and uncontrollable eating...?

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 8, 2007 7:58 PM PST up 0 recs

winning

will krrp him skinny.

by blaqhalo on Nov 8, 2007 8:36 PM PST up 0 recs

is krrp slang for

"i don't know engrish?"

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 9, 2007 2:32 AM PST up 0 recs

que

no se ingles.

by blaqhalo on Nov 9, 2007 7:44 AM PST up 0 recs

no.

hk is the deal breaker and if the marlins want him, this deal is broken.

in the words of will smith: "aw, hell no."

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 8, 2007 7:16 PM PST 0 recs

No, no, no, no, no, no!

Brandon wood and Adenhart... fine. I can live with that... sort. Howie Kendrick can NOT be a part of this deal. If that trade happens as what the Marlins are asking for, I'll cry for Bill Stoneman to be back in charge with his tradeless ways. A-Rod is a free agent. In other words, all we have to give is money, not money plus players, just money. This proposed trade would be as retarded as our Mo Vaughn deal.

GOD PLEASE LET HOWIE KENDRICK STAY!!!!!!!!!

by matt92130 on Nov 9, 2007 7:57 AM PST 0 recs

Won't spending that money on A-rod

prevent us from keeping that young talent around? We will have to pay them eventually, right?

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 9, 2007 8:57 AM PST up 0 recs

Everyone

has to get paid at some point.

You seem to think that the Angels shouldn't spend money to shore up the one position that really needs shoring up. Instead, you seem to be of the opinion that the Angels should trade their young and inexpensive players and acquire MORE expensive players, and ultimately create MORE holes that have to be filled with MORE expensive players. It just doesn't make any sense.

It will cost something to make the team better; I'm trying to understand why it's better if it costs the team money and players (the trade scenario), as opposed to just money.

A lot of money came off the books this year. True, there are raises due to some of the younger players, but remember that money also comes off the books next year when GA's contract is up.

Unless you want them to become the Florida Marlins, there are always going to be SOME big contracts. They key is to maintain the farm system so that MOST of the roster can be replenished from within, and getting outside help to fill in the holes.

by jjackflash on Nov 9, 2007 12:14 PM PST up 0 recs

Well done!

by wumbug on Nov 9, 2007 1:45 PM PST up 0 recs

There's a difference between

"spending money" to sign A-Rod and "spending money" to sign someone else. I've never taken a position on trading any of our minor league prospects or young guns such as Weaver and Kendrick.

My position has been consistent: A-Rod's price tag is too high for a guy who has not demonstrated an ability to significantly improve a team's win totals and has not shown any leadership abilities in the clubhouse.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 9, 2007 8:15 PM PST up 0 recs

Crazy

How can you say that A-Rod didn't help the Yankees win? That team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs without his production.

That's like saying that the sun hasn't demonstrated any ability to contribute to photosynthesis.

by jjackflash on Nov 9, 2007 11:35 PM PST up 0 recs

you're missing the point.

the real question is what's the sun done in the playoffs lately?

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 10, 2007 12:15 AM PST up 0 recs

Exactly....

What we need to do is trade Vlad for those flying ant things that Cleveland has...

They we absolutely more "clutch" during those postseason.

Wanted: Any position player with power

by gorams77 on Nov 10, 2007 7:00 AM PST up 0 recs

USA Today's Friday A-Rod Update

"After talking with 16 of the 30 GMs, seven said Rodriguez will go to the Angels, but none felt he'd get the 10-year, $350 million deal agent Scott Boras is seeking . . . .

"One GM said the Giants might give A-Rod between eight and 10 years, but only at a little over $20 million a season. Another predicted the Angels would go as high as $28 million for eight years but would include an opt-out option after six years.

"None expect A-Rod's new deal to average $30 million a year . . . ."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/columnist/bodley/2007-11-08-A-Rod_N.htm

by G Abbes on Nov 9, 2007 9:09 AM PST 0 recs

Good stuff

thanks for posting

by jerryhattrick on Nov 9, 2007 10:10 AM PST up 0 recs

i personally think..

..the only reason that the angels are even acting interested in MCab is to drop the asking price of ARod.. i mean, from all the reports, apparently we're the front runners for both of them, and i don't believe we need 2 third basemen.. it's simply a bargaining chip for ARod so we can say "hey, we have other options.. take it or leave it.."

Here we go for the hundreth time, hand grenade pins in every line!!

by b0rd3rline on Nov 9, 2007 10:02 AM PST 0 recs

right, there's just as much...

risk and reward for both players.

by thejd on Nov 9, 2007 10:31 AM PST 0 recs

Mike Scioscia Inteview

Apparently Scioscia was interviewed last night on AM 570. At the station's website there are three video clips from the in-studio interview. Sosh doesn't seem very optimistic that the Angels will meet the rumored price tag for A-Rod.

http://allaccess.am570radio.com/bigjoemcdonnell/blog/media/video/index.one?a=view_video&vid_id=1 64493

by G Abbes on Nov 9, 2007 10:53 AM PST 0 recs

an interesting thread in the...

miguel cabrera to the angels potential deal. larry beinfest is now being referred to as the president of the team and michael hill is handling the general manger job. don't read too much into this but hill is african american. it would be nice to see two newly appointed gm's who are african put together this trade as the first big deal they do.

by thejd on Nov 9, 2007 3:17 PM PST 0 recs

Keith Law

In an on-line chat, Keith Law of espn.com weighs in on the Kendrick-Adenhart-Wood for Miggy Cabrera rumor . . .

Mike (San Francisco): The L.A. times is reporting the Marlines want Kendrick, Adenhart & Wood for Cabrera. Is that a good idea for the Angels? It seems like that's a lot for a soon to be DH who will cost at least $20 million a year in 2 years.

Keith Law: That's a bad idea for the Angels, not a terrible one. I think the next five years of Kendrick are worth more than the next two years of Cabrera, a lot more when you figure in the cost. You can trade average players/prospects for a star, but trading a young soon-to-be-star for another star, plus throwing two prospects in the deal? Anyway, I don't see that as likely.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=17964

by G Abbes on Nov 9, 2007 3:20 PM PST 0 recs

Oh crap.

Keith law is chiming in. We're doomed.

Loss, Loss, Loss, Win, Win, Loss, Loss, Loss, Loss

by Stirrups on Nov 9, 2007 3:24 PM PST up 0 recs

Keith Law Nick Name

Key Flaw

by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2007 12:00 AM PST up 0 recs

Maicer Izturis?

From mlb.com:

"Should the Marlins acquire Kendrick, that could mean a position switch for Dan Uggla, an All-Star second baseman in 2006 who could be asked to switch to third base. It's also believed that Florida also will seek Angels infielder Maicer Izturis as part of a trade package."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071109&content_id=2297384&vkey=hotstove2007&fe xt=.jsp

by G Abbes on Nov 9, 2007 5:38 PM PST 0 recs