Poseur Thug Life: Sympathy for the Dodgers Fan
When Yankee fans and Dodger fans and Red Sox fans overrun Angels' home games, there is nonstop bitching from the Halo faithful about the disrespectful trash that blew into our house.
And so we must take any criticism of rude and brash Dodger fans in Dodger Stadium lightly - it is THEIR friggin' dilapidated house, their lard-ass fans, their awkward logo from another coast and time and never-in-fashion team color, their absurd Hollywood-Sign style slogan to THINK Blue when every fan there inevitably FEELS blue not knowing their revolving door players/management/ownership, all after paying $15 to park and join a certain traffic jam.
So the Dodger fans are thuggish and in yo' face - oh boo hoo, we are worthy of their scorn, Angel Fans. Our team has 6 players who have been on the roster since 2002. Our team has won a playoff series in recent memory. Our team has a ring from a year that Duran Duran was not at the forefront of Pop Culture. Our team has 51 more runs scored than their's after an offseason of being scolded by the Dodger, er, Los Angeles Times that we needed a big bat.
They are blue, they are bitter, they are bastards. What part of this is so difficult to comprehend that we would express shock and/or dismay at their hissing from a cornered-squirrel position. To go into their house and leave with anything less than a black eye, a fat lip and a well-pitched victory would cheapen how far they have sunk, how high we have risen and how terrible the house that Garvey seeded remains...
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it's jealousy
by yeswecan on Jun 17, 2007 12:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
by cupie on Jun 17, 2007 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so true
"lard ass fans" made me laugh out loud!
by lightupthehalo on Jun 17, 2007 1:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A commentary that would make Grantland
by PieceOfAase on Jun 17, 2007 1:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thugs
I moved to OC in the 70s and have been to one Dodger game. I was scared shitless. Parking the car and trying to get to the seat was like crossing the freeway. Leaving was like fighting off a gang full of Mexicans with those long shorts with their underwear showing and bandannas with knives. One guy was killed that knight stabbed to death in the parking lot.
I don't see why any person from the O.C. would go there. The number of gangs and lack of security is a tremendous risk. Riding the 110 or even the 5 freeway should discourage anyone. And forcing a person to have to park in the lot for $15...No choice there...well screw that. At lease at Angel Stadium you could park up near Howell and walk or pay $5 or $8.
If you do go wear your body armor and good tennis shoes and you better speak Spanish and don't have a wallet and don't carry any cash. Those mother fuckers will get you when you're not looking. Drunken thugs...beware, try and stay away. Let them shove their Dodger dogs up Vin Scully's ass.
by roidrage on Jun 17, 2007 2:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting post...
When did things take a turn for the worse?
It's sad really. Vin Scully is the only holdout from the 'good ol' days.'
I've lived in OC, LA, OC then LA again. LA is one huge crap hole now... I don't know what's happened. I've got to say that OC is a great place to live/grow up, conducive to a pleasant daily being.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Al Davis
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has more to do with location, than mentality.
Dodger Stadium - not so nice area.
Angel Stadium - nice people in surrounding area.
Dodger Stadium - not so nice people in surrounding area.
Take the family into a gang related area, expect to come across some thugs.
by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 3:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
You sure have bought that whole "fear mongering" thing. Hook, line and sinker!
People are people. Yeah, there are bad folks but the VAST majority of people are not going to jump you or kill you. The people that live near Chavez Latrine are not bad people and to assume that people are "not so nice" based on dress, locality, economical position, etc. is just not cool - read quasi-racist.
Don't buy our government's party line about fear - that is how they keep you worried about terrorism 6 years after 9/11. If you stay afraid, you keep voting for and condoning the limitations of our rights.
I am one cynical bastard - I generally think people are pretty dim bulbs as a whole - but I always find individuals to be much more engaging than I would have ever expected.
I have been to a lot of Dodger games and never had a REAL reason to be frightened. Sorry your experiences have been different.
Jimmuscomp
by jimmuscomp on Jun 17, 2007 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liive down the street from Dodger Stadium
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the surrounding Dodger Stadium is a safe area..
And if being afraid of gangbangers, graffiti, and crime make me a racist....so be it.
by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In parts of LA...
I totally agree with your post bc56274.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unsavory? Or at least unsafe?
- The transfer point where the Blue Line catches the Green Line on a Friday or Saturday night (especially if you have a bunch of luggage from the airport).
- Skid Row at night on foot when you're alone.
- Irvine, if you're a nonconformist (they'll zone you to death); or if you don't have a car and need a drink.
I'm not "afraid" of graffiti, just greatly irritated by it. And one of the reasons I don't fear Echo Park, Elysian Heights and the west bank of the L.A. River is because I'm very familiar with the area, ride buses through it constantly, and have never had cause to be afraid for even one second.
Not calling you a racist, just a scaredycat.
by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure wouldn't want
Perhaps if there were more/better zoning regulations/enforcements in LA, it wouldn't have become the hell hole it is now.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, what a terrible hellhole
Also, if you think L.A. doesn't have regulations galore, you're even more ignorant than you look.
by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have it...
A buddy of mine actually owns a Lloyd Wright house (FLW's son) in Wilshire Park, it's a true beauty, and now a bonafied historical landmark. However, what a shitty area. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to live there. I've had great times and soaked up the culture at the Dorothy Chandler, Hollywood Bowl, Getty Center, etc, etc... hell, I've made my career in the entertainment industry only found in LA.
Keep your "half-dozen terrific bars, more than 10 good restaurants, AND your great rock-club" within walking distance of your home. I'll personally live in a place where I can take my family out for a walk, an early evening at the park or a night on the town without a higher probability of trouble.
I've lived and worked in many different locals in LA (and OC)... now I live in N. LA (Valencia)... boy what a difference, especially now that I have a family. Call me a "conformist", "scaredycat" or "ignorant" all you want... personally, my life is a lot more enjoyable than it was in the hell-hole I call LA.
You like it where you are... you can have it.
Go Angels.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight
99 Cents stores = terrible
Whatevs.
I'll personally live in a place where I can take my family out for a walk, an early evening at the park or a night on the town without a higher probability of trouble.
As will I! All without insulting your neighborhood or the people who live there! The end!
by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
terrified
Why do you feel the need to spew your anger and fear about other people? Do you ever stop for a minute and think of the thousands of families, just like you, who thrive and love it here?
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dude...
I have lived in LA, and my personal experiences living there sucked. The higher rates of crime, traffic and smog (all experienced first hand) are enough of a reason... those are factual reasons.
Each person has their own idea of what constitutes a conducive lifestyle... my LA experiences just didn't do it for me... and especially now with a family. It's not that I'm full of fear for my family... it's that if I have a choice, I'd rather not expose them to the realities of city living (mainly the higher crime.)
I currently live in LA, north of the city... a great area. A short drive, we're in LA (proper) and enjoying the culture.
Like I said, you (and Randy Newman) love LA, you can have it... enjoy.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backpedalling
You are backpedalling now, talking only about your love for your neighborhood. Great. But let me remind you of the things you have said.
You are the one that attacked a neighborhood, a city, and the people who live here. "LA is one huge crap hole"
You are the one who can't help himself from characterizing all Dodger fans as illegals, as thugs, as gangbangers, when you said to bc5627 "I totally agree with your post" ...
You are the one who has constantly talked about being terrified of walking around neighborhoods near Dodger stadium. Despite people like mattwelch and me saying what great neighborhoods we live in, you keep attacking those neighborhoods.
You are the one who kept referring in your diary to illegals, and Mexicans. You seem obsessed with Latino residents of LA and Latino Dodger fans. It is racism to equate an entire people, or law abiding fans of a local sports team, with illegals, with criminals, with gangmembers. That is the very essence of racism. You may have grievances with individual Dodger fans, individual Latinos, but you cross the line when you generalize from those experiences to entire neighborhoods, peoples, cities.
And to top it all of, you equate going to Dodger Stadium and the surrounding neighborhoods with Al Qaeda terrorism.
If you want to understand why I am very upset at you right now, I want you to ask yourself how many relatives does someone like ValisJason have serving in either Iraq or Afghanistan? How many of them do you think have emailed him wistfully wishing they could go to a baseball game at Dodger stadium? They would give anything to be able to walk through my neighborhood tonight, or exchange trash talk with a Dodger fan in the bleachers.
So, if I were you, I would stop attacking my neighborhood, my city, and my Latino neighbors. Step back and think about why you feel the need to constantly attack others based on angry and lazy stereotypes.
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, calm down.
Imagine if someone offered you a great deal in housing, in say, Baghdad. You would turn it down, right? And your reasoning would be, you feel safer where you currently reside.
Same logic applies here.
This has nothing to do with race and stereotyping. That's just a silly assertion. In fact, I have Mexican gardeners, and have never felt in anyway like my life was in danger.
by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mexican gardeners
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's well aware...
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine with me
And you still havent taken the time to man up like an adult and admit that your statements have caused problems, and perhaps offer an apology.
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not defending anybody...
I simply agreed with one of his posts. Reread this thread dude.
By coincidence... speaking of "manning up", go see the post I just made to my diary.
Now... go have a beer and chill out bro.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Gardener is Korean.
by Downing Rules on Jun 18, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful.
by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should know
by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look bro...
If you want to disagree, that's fucking fine.
But...
You've made the RIDICULOUS STRETCH that I'm bashing Latinos and/or Mexicans by saying that LA is a crap hole. Then you pull the classic, "you're a racist" card. Talk about lazy stereotypes... oh yeah, I'm a racist now because I said LA is a crap hole and that Dodger fans are classless idiots.
You then assert that, "I've equated going to Dodger Stadium and the surrounding neighborhoods with Al Qaeda terrorism."
Reread my posts you fool. While you're at it, look at the post that I'm responding to.
And...
What the fuck does anything I've said here in response, have to do with how many relatives you have serving in either Iraq or Afghanistan???
???
Seriously, what the fuck dude???
You've gone so far off track and have falsely linked statements and have made ridiculous reaches of logic and fact.
Regarding my diary entry, that is a completely different post and was meant as simple satire and buffoonery aimed at CLASSLESS DODGER FANS... PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Not unlike anything you hear on the tv or radio every freakin' day.
Now I'm going to pinch off the stream here on this ol' pissing contest because it's getting ridiculous.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scaredycat would be an understatement...
by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bc56274 just told like it is
by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wait
I thought this was and Angels blog?
by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe you took away my props.
by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo...
Since you haven't bought into all that "fear mongering" that the Rebuplicans and racists have cooked up, why don't you go take a Saturday night stroll in Lincoln Heights.
by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again ...
And now you go to the ultimate fear card ... Al Qaeda! If we go to Dodger stadium, the terrorists have won! Quaking in my boots. You are obviously one of those Republicans who want another terrorist attack. I guess you wouldnt mind if they took out Dodger Stadum? Or any other locale in LA? At least you'd be safe in Valencia, and would get a chance to feel manly and feel justified in your fears.
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, yeah, pretty much
Google the "Sea of David" geniuses in Florida that were soooo scary. They were such a well oiled machine that they actually wanted uniforms. Terrorist freaking uniforms.
Or the guys who wanted to take out the Brooklyn Bridge.......with blowtorches.
Or the latest geniuses who though they could blow up all of New York because there's a jet fuel line that runs to JFK. One problem. While it might make a nifty explosion at the source, gas kind of needs oxygen to burn. That's why you don't blow up the neighborhood every time you turn on your stove.
So yeah, the government and media routinely does oversells the danger of the "plots" that they foil.
by LA Seitz on Jun 17, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psshaw
The Big A used to be a lot more rough (and fun! at least when I was 12) back in the '70s and '80s, but somewhere along the line ownership decided you didn't have to tolerate a half-dozen fistfights in the stands every game, or kids chucking trash off the front row of the higher decks (a Chavez specialty), or scary-looking packs of shitfaced young men threatening to "rip the fucking head off" of people wearing opposing colors, right next to frightened children and handicapped old folks.
Dodger Stadium will improve the moment McCourt decides it's important enough. Unfortunately for him (and the rest of us) posting "Fans' code of conduct" in English and Spanish, and banning tailgating without enforcement, and paying for a handful of frightened cops, is not enough to get it done.
by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get it
great teams/players don't have to talk about how great they are or how worthy they are of praise, they just ARE.
by pedro guerrero on Jun 17, 2007 8:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Location
I now live near Dodger stadium. As for it being a bad area? Are you kidding me. The areas surrounding Dodger stadium have practically been the epicenter of gentrification the past decade. It is a much richer area than that surrounding Angel stadium.
Some of the posts in this thread border on racism. Dont play into the stereotype of nice middle class white people scared by all the horrible Mexicans. Its sad.
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just lucky
I'm guessing experiences differ? Yeah I got "An-gels suuuu-uuck" jeer, but come on, it's their stadium. We dish it out when they're in Angel Stadium, and so we have to take it when we're the visiting team. Big deal.
Like I said, maybe experiences differ, but I don't get it.
by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
by AlohaHalofan on Jun 17, 2007 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dodger shower
by thejd on Jun 17, 2007 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
I like the article Rev. and it is spot on. Dodger fans=Raider fans, and sometimes they are unable to leave their football/Raider mentality at home.
by Howie the Halo on Jun 17, 2007 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards
If you think Im wrong, tell me why. Dont just pull a Sean Hannity anti-PC victimology counter attack.
And even more than the tinge of racism, I did not like the attack on my neighborhood.
By the way, I never criticized the Rev's posts, but rather some of the responses to it.
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by Howie the Halo on Jun 17, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hannity's a douche
by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hannity
by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You racist!
by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only art collectors who buy graffiti art
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, how that works.
by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because
Eskimos don't pay for ice either.
by darkangel01 on Jun 17, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you are implying
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Graffiti artists
by darkangel01 on Jun 18, 2007 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
Dialogue like this HAS to happen in order to understand that race is still an issue in everyday life these days. The media has pretended it's no longer a factor for the past 5 years or so, when that's far from true.
by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Half and half
In regards to Matt's (and some of Mat's) well put. LA is a great place, with more to offer than just about anywhere else in the US (Chavez Latrine included.)
by ineptituderunsamok on Jun 17, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is dodger stadium even part of the u.s?
by thejd on Jun 17, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and after all the good dialogue
by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can get youa fake I.D. and Social Security Card
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by ineptituderunsamok on Jun 18, 2007 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McArthur Park
by Rev Halofan on Jun 18, 2007 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kidding actually
by ineptituderunsamok on Jun 18, 2007 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the...
by cupie on Jun 17, 2007 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
by constantine on Jun 18, 2007 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Independena review
Pros of the ballpark: I must admit that most of the fans there know they're baseball and they really do get into the game. That and the fact that it's one of the older parks around does give it a sense of nostalgia. Also, surprisingly most people don't know, it's very easy to meet players from the visiting team right outside the right field, lower level gates. This is a great park to get autographs from some great players AFTER the game!
Cons of the ballpark: Where do I start????
-Traffic, yes, even though you may be 1 mile (yes, 1 mile) from the stadium with 1 hour to go till gametime, you may end up getting there by the 4th inning. Yes, this includes games against Milwaukee as well.
-The fans, yes most fans are well informed die hard Dodger fans but it has changed quite a bit as of late. There are various gang members who attend games and forget about cheering for the visiting team, the fans will get on you and you will receive no sympathy or assistance from the ushers. It has turned out to be a not so "family friendly" park. I know many families who will not attend games out of fear of fights and profanity laden tirades from terrible fans. The violence has escalated in the last few years, from fans being shot to death, to vendors outside the stadium stabbing security, to a dozen fights throughout the game. Keep your family away from this place!
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 3:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
December 2006 gang violence
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 4:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Incident
A single shooting death near a baseball stadium does not = violent, dangerous or not-nice neighborhood.
by mattwelch on Jun 18, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2002
One day after I had left the office around 6pm I got a call from a female co-worker who told me she walked outside the building to head for her car and it looked like a movie set. There were cops everywhere and a helicopter hovering overhead with a spotlight.
Apparently some guy got stabbed right in front of our building and staggered over to the steps in front of the then-closed-for-good Charley Brown's and collapsed and supposedly died.
When I showed up for work the next day, there was still blood all over the place. You could follow the trail 100 ft or so all the way to the steps where the blood was still coagulated and pooled on the steps of CB's.
There was no coverage of this in the local papers for some reason as I was looking for it to learn more.
2 years ago there was a fatal shooting in the parking lot of the Denny's across the street from my former building and across from the McDonald's on Katella/St. College.
Even after these incidents, I do not feel unsafe going to Angel games. Isolated incidents are not necessarily indicative of future incidents.
by darkangel01 on Jun 18, 2007 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger managemjent doesn't give a fuck
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 4:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Parking lot shot to death
NOVEMBER 2004
Alcoholic Myth-of-the-Month: "This defendant's actions are another tragic example of what can occur when bravado and machismo overtake judgment."
So said Deputy District Attorney Tom Rubinson, after sentencing Pete Marron, 20, found guilty of shooting 25-year-old Marc Antenorcruz to death in a Dodger Stadium parking lot after an argument in September 2003. However, it's also what can happen when confronted by an alcoholic.
Rubinson described Antenocruz as having been drinking and belligerent the night of the shooting. Marron may simply have overreacted, after words were exchanged between the two. On the other hand, it may have been a classic case of alcoholic v. alcoholic.
In research I conducted for the section on probabilities of alcoholism in convicted criminals in my first book, Drunks, Drugs & Debits, cop after cop told me the same story: very often, there's heavy drinking on the part of both parties to a dispute. The fact of such drinking is not, in itself, conclusive, but we can increase the odds of alcoholism when there are bad behaviors, regardless of which side is legally at fault.
There is a possibility that both Pete Marron and Marc Antenorcruz lived their short lives as undiagnosed alcoholics. If this is true, because parents, friends and - prior to this murder - law enforcement ignored it, made excuses for it or didn't attempt to coerce abstinence, tragedy was inevitable.
Instead of being "another tragic example of what can occur when bravado and machismo overtake judgment," the actions of both may have been another tragic example of what can happen when alcoholism is allowed to progress unimpeded.
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 4:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LAPD report
Los Angeles: Three men are in custody accused of stabbing a security guard and three vendors.
On July 31, 2005, at about 5:55 p.m., Northeast Area patrol officers responded to a stabbing call at "Gate E" at Dodger Stadium. Officers discovered that three security guards and approximately 10 to 15 vendors were involved in a dispute over unlicensed merchandise. That dispute turned into a fight, where four people were stabbed, including one security guard. The injured were transported to a local hospital and are expected to recover from their injuries.
The security guards involved work for Black Hawk Security and are contracted by Sport Service, a company that sells official Dodger merchandise. The Los Angeles Dodgers do not employ the guards.
Three of the vendors were arrested for Assault with a Deadly Weapon. They are 47 year-old Vincent Thomas Hill of Los Angeles, 40 year-old Melvin Benard Robinson of Pomona, and 51 year-old Adrian Renald Herron of Los Angeles.
Anyone with information is requested to contact Northeast Area Detectives at 213-485-2566. On weekends and during off-hours, call the 24-hour toll free number at the Detective Information Desk, at 1-877-LAWFULL (1-877-529-3855).
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 4:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As I said, the parking lot is dangerous
by mattwelch on Jun 18, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going too far by tim rollins
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 5:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad
Currently, my girlfriend and her family are HUGE Dodger fans. They have season tickets and I make roughly 10 trips a year. There is little need for fear. Nobody is going to rob you walking the concourse. Nobody is going to stab you in the outfield. True the parking situation sucks, and if people do get rowdy in the crowd, just keep your head down and mind your own business. This is no different than any other big city in the US.
Giving the Dodgers and their fans shit is part of the game and a lot of fun, but if you genuinely fear Dodger Stadium, you need to get out in the world more.
by Ron Mexico on Jun 18, 2007 6:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was in section 138 LOGE on Sunday
Now if you were sitting in the bleachers or in the nose-bleeds... Where I was it was fine.
by melvintoast on Jun 18, 2007 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As a member of the Mexican race....
I can only assume such remarks are made by people that have been victimized by so called "gang banging Mexicans with long shorts and their underwear showing" and for that I am sorry. Please don't let the cowardly acts of stupid individuals be the reason to criticize an entire race.
If these and other degrading remarks such as the "Mexican gardeners" remark were made just to be funny or other reasons, well I feel sorry for you and your ignorance.
As a life long Anaheim resident and Angels fan, I visit this site everyday because I enjoy the various opinions and the baseball knowledge that is shared by most of you. It's also the only place I know where people love the Angels as much as I do. But I guess I can only share in that so long as I'm not "Mexican".
by LOUIE31007 on Jun 18, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just curious...
I'm not sure I follow the logic.
by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mexicans are not a race
Most of those who come here are of the darker skinned variety but that doesn't make Mexican anymore a "Race" as Dominican does.
Vlad is a black man whose native tongue happens to be Spanish. To those who wish to classify and segment everyone that means he's Hispanic and not Black or African-American (were he a citizen).
All this shit is stupid and it's only purpose is to carve out niches of entitlement and what not. Complete horseshit.
Ernie Els, Steve Nash, and Charlize Theron should be African-Americans shouldn't they? After all they are actually from freaking AFRICA!
by darkangel01 on Jun 18, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies.
I didn't know that. Good stuff.
by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, hoser
by TempletonPeck on Jun 19, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oye Vato
by Rev Halofan on Jun 18, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Mexicans it's violence and gangs
by roidrage on Jun 18, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a dream!
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today my friends - so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification - one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day, this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my father's died, land of the Pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring!"
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.
Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi - from every mountainside.
Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring - when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children - black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics - will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
Go Angels!
by Downing Rules on Jun 18, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a broad statement.
If you just said "gang bangers" I would have agreed with you and went about my business. But by singling out one race as well as droping the "Mexican Gardener" stereotype was offensive.
Look, bottom line is we all come here to talk baseball and we're all Angel fans no matter what ethnicity, color or religion.
by LOUIE31007 on Jun 18, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nit-pick
by TempletonPeck on Jun 19, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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