John Kerry Taser Kid on SBNation
by Rev Halofan on Sep 19, 2007 1:44 PM PDT
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PrintThe wacko who got tasered while smacktalking a John Kerry appearance yesterday once wrote A SB-NATION DIARY on our Chicago Bulls blog, Blog-A-Bull.
If you were no sure the dude was a nut before his nationally televised controversey (which was the best free press Kerry could have gotten to remind people he is an option for the D.N. in 2008), you will be certain of his precipitous mental state after reading the above link...
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Smacktalking?
What?
There's something called protocol
As a current Bruin, I was around last year when one of our students was tasered by the LAPD for resisting. Students were in an uproar about the use of a taser on a student without even looking at the situation. Just like the situation here, the student resisted the police after warnings. All of this would have been solved if the kid just left. If he believes an injustice occurred by removing What's wrong with America if we think we don't have to listen to police?
I got distracted
If he believed an injustice occurred he should have taken care of it the right way... not by being a bitch during open forum for a presidential candidate.
He said he would leave
He said he would leave
Oh, bullshit
do you dislike authority?
You bet
well, that's exactly what i mean.
power has not been abused, nazis have not shown themselves, and the kid is still kinda crazy.
why fight this? what's possibly in it for you?
BECAUSE THE COPS REFUSED TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION
The cops simply refused to answer him and bullied him away from the microphone.
That's habeas corpus, buddy. Bush may have forgotten about it, you may have forgotten about it, but it's one of the underpinnings of British and U.S. legal jurisprudence. And I'll be goddamned if I'm going to let some ignoramus sit here and tell me otherwise. Yeah, the guy could have been calmer. But the cops WAY overreacted.
resisting the cops is never a good idea.
habeas corpus, underpinnings of british and u.s. legal jurisprudence aside nothing good ever comes from aggressively resisting the police like he did.
also, if you were a bit nicer about everything, maybe people will see it more the way you do.
are you serious scareduck?
this isnt habeas corpus... in this country, you can be held for 24 hours with no charge... not to mention he provided cause for arrest by resisting...
seriously scareduck? its cool when we bring our biases to the table we when talk about the angels... but in this case it seems that your bias against the "man" is causing you to be blind to clear fact
Eh, I'm torn on this
The guy was just another whackjob politico who believes his opinion to be so important and influential that they be forced to sit and listen to it. In a closed-event session with John Kerry. For patrons with paid tickets.
He took it upon himself to interrupt those proceedings and purposefully cause disruption socially. This isn't entirely an arrestable offense, but it definitely oversteps the boundaries of civility and common courtesy.
However, the trouble begins when he continues these antics and is tased by the police officers growing weary with his display and fearing he is becoming increasingly belligerent. To stop this they overstep the boundaries of their duties and use a "less-than-lethal" takedown tactic for violent or threatening perpetrators.
In all senses of the word, it was an overreaction, at the very best, on the part of the police. The guy did not pose an immediate physical threat -- not one any more than standard assault -- and an egregious and improper protocol was executed likely for the sake of the relative importance of the speaker there, John Kerry.
I agree with those who say the kid should not be considered a victim in that he acted only properly and within his rights as a citizen, but he most certainly is a victim of what is tantamount to excessive police force. These police will likely be treated neutrally in the incident, but more officers in this country need to realize that their guns, tasers, pepper spray, batons, and otherwise are for situations that physically demand it.
One arrogantly obstreperous, politically outspoken, and civilly disruptive young man should not warrant the use of this type of response.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Sep 21, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
scareduck, you're a douche.
Thank you.
Go Halos.
by Hutch (someone took my name) on Sep 20, 2007 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
What world do you live in?
51 seconds in. The black policeman is only holding 1 of his hands. He stops, tries to yank his hand away from the policeman, then turns around back toward the stage and away from the door, straining to move in that direction. At that point, the police take him to the ground. If he had been trying to go toward the door, he would have gone that direction, instead of winding up with his head toward the stage.
At that point, he STILL won't listen to the officer and place his hands behind his back, so he gets tasered.
And even if he had been trying to get to the door, you don't try to rip your hand away from the police. I'm sorry, you forfeited the right to exit by yourself when you decided to be a douchebag in the first place. Now they will escort you outside, and possibly arrest you, as they deem appropriate. That's how it works. To put it in baseball terms, if a fan runs onto the field, they don't get the option of just going back to their seat and behaving. They're getting tossed out, and/or arrested.
Uh...
Oh, and when was that? When he asked if he was being arrested, and what for?
This country has a constitution to keep little authoritarian weenies in their place.
I ain't defending scareduck here
But scareduck DOES have a point about our constitution and those weenies.
exactly, you wait 'till it's all over.
We need to add a post that
KRod!
Double-play!
Go Angels!
Anybody got playoff tickets?
Let's see...
When he refused to sit down when his mike was silenced. When he refused to leave when he was asked. When he resisted the polices attempts to escort him out. They weren't reading him his rights- they weren't arresting him at first. He was just being kicked out. When he resisted, he moved into impeding an officer, disturbing the peace, resisting arrest, and all sorts of other little goodies.
<<This country has a constitution to keep little authoritarian weenies in their place.>>
And you won't find "right to be a douchebag" in any of the amendments. Go right ahead and check.
The Right to be a douchebag
Seriously, though, Habeas Corpus is a weak argument in this instance. You have bought into the myth that these political scumbags really want town hall meetings to do anything more than simulate democracy. And spouting Bush Bush Bush while Kerry watched it go down (and was the one ostensibly being protected form this interloper) shows a deep ignorance of how many Hab-Corp statutes Bill Clinton eviscerated... but critiques of abuses of power don't sound cool when they are aimed away from the right...
by Rev Halofan on Sep 19, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Habeus Corpus?
Second, Kerry wasn't being protected from anything. He kept right on answering the question. The student organization who had organized and were in charge of the proceedings were the ones who had the student tossed out. Kerry had no control over it. He "watched it go down" because the student organization HAD THE AUTHORITY to toss the guy out.
Third, don't even try to compare Clinton and Bush where abuses of power are concerned. Clinton did not abolish habeus corpus for non-citizens and broadly expand the powers of the government to spy on its own people. Clinton also didn't have the NSA conduct illegal wire tapping on US citizens while ignoring the presence of a court SPECIFICALLY CREATED to approve emergency wire taps of that nature.
Clinton also didn't appoint total incompetents to every important cabinet post, who then abused and mishandled their own power in turn. Finally, Clinton did not manipulate our intelligence services for the purposes of lying to the public and starting a war based on false pretenses, then gather periodic support for that war using fear-tactics.
I remember this video, too
It was the same situation, just some uppity kid raising his voice; somehow, police in this country believe a loud, clear assertion of your rights and/or questioning of the police's imposition is equal in all respects to resisting.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Sep 21, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Did John Kerry put in for another Purple Heart
Clearly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zXlytv01c
He's inviolation of at least 4 of those principles.
Didn't use common sense.
Didn't stop immediately.
Wasn't polite.
Didn't shut the f### up.
Thus, he got his ass kicked by the police.
yep, just another stereotypic SB Nation poster
by rbrianc on Sep 19, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
not you, Zu
by rbrianc on Sep 19, 2007 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i just see a lot of that here, even at HH
Didn't stop immediately.
Wasn't polite.
Didn't shut the f### up.
Thus, he got his ass kicked by the police.
tongue in cheek, but i'm sure a few people understand.
by rbrianc on Sep 19, 2007 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
the police looked like they overreacted
by Of Angels and Angles on Sep 19, 2007 4:28 PM PDT reply actions
A year and a half at U.C. Santa Cruz
And that is that every single college-aged kid that has ever been tasered or otherwise assaulted by police during a protest, public demonstration, or disturbance complaint has 100% deserved it.
This is a complete fact.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 19, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
Go SLUGS!
Slug from '82 thru '84!
Halos and Tribe have the best records in Baseball! Eat my shorts, East Coast Media!!!!
The '04-'05 year
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 19, 2007 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell, out here in Huntington Beach we call what
Dude should've been curbed, then tasered, then curbed again.
That shit was crazy........
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