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John Kerry Taser Kid on SBNation

The wacko who got tasered while smacktalking a John Kerry appearance yesterday once wrote A SB-NATION DIARY on our Chicago Bulls blog, Blog-A-Bull.

If you were no sure the dude was a nut before his nationally televised controversey (which was the best free press Kerry could have gotten to remind people he is an option for the D.N. in 2008), you will be certain of his precipitous mental state after reading the above link...

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with the kid being a slightly more colorful character, even if that color is crazy.
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smacktalking?
He asked legitimate questions of a presidential candidate.  Based on the video alone, the police overreacted, end of story.
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What?
He overstepped the time limit, his mike got shut off, he wouldn't sit down, he was asked to leave, the police moved to escort him out, he energeticly and continually resisted despite being warned, and as a result his dumb ass got knocked down and tasered. End of story. Where in there did the police overreact?
~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's something called protocol
Police officers have protocol for these kinds of events.  The guy shouldn't have resisted.

As a current Bruin, I was around last year when one of our students was tasered by the LAPD for resisting.  Students were in an uproar about the use of a taser on a student without even looking at the situation.  Just like the situation here, the student resisted the police after warnings.  All of this would have been solved if the kid just left.  If he believes an injustice occurred by removing  What's wrong with America if we think we don't have to listen to police?

by BruinHalo on Sep 19, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got distracted
should have said:

If he believed an injustice occurred he should have taken care of it the right way... not by being a bitch during open forum for a presidential candidate.

by BruinHalo on Sep 19, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said he would leave
And they still wrestled him to the floor. I call bullshit.
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said he would leave
Then tried to run back toward the podium, the exact opposite direction from the door he had just been led toward. That's when his ass got tackled.
~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, bullshit
He was dragged forward by the cops.
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you dislike authority?
you're still pulling for the kid after reading a blog in which he talks to himself on paper?
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You bet
When authority abuses its power.  Are Nazis popular? No, and for a reason...
Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that's exactly what i mean.
hh'ers have been constantly refuting the fact that this kid is the victim you make him out to to be and yet you're still backing him.

power has not been abused, nazis have not shown themselves, and the kid is still kinda crazy.

why fight this? what's possibly in it for you?

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BECAUSE THE COPS REFUSED TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION
He REPEATEDLY asked if he was being arrested and what for.

The cops simply refused to answer him and bullied him away from the microphone.

That's habeas corpus, buddy.  Bush may have forgotten about it, you may have forgotten about it, but it's one of the underpinnings of British and U.S. legal jurisprudence.  And I'll be goddamned if I'm going to let some ignoramus sit here and tell me otherwise.  Yeah, the guy could have been calmer.  But the cops WAY overreacted.

Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

resisting the cops is never a good idea.
even if you've done nothing wrong, you go along with them and file complaints later like all good citizens. there was plenty of video and people there to defend him.

habeas corpus, underpinnings of british and u.s. legal jurisprudence aside nothing good ever comes from aggressively resisting the police like he did.

also, if you were a bit nicer about everything, maybe people will see it more the way you do.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious scareduck?
the police were escorting him out... he resisted... he ran back... the police tackled... he asked why he was being arrested, the police didnt answer but when on with their business...

this isnt habeas corpus... in this country, you can be held for 24 hours with no charge... not to mention he provided cause for arrest by resisting...

seriously scareduck?  its cool when we bring our biases to the table we when talk about the angels... but in this case it seems that your bias against the "man" is causing you to be blind to clear fact

by BruinHalo on Sep 19, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I'm torn on this
The case is not so clear cut as the guy resisting arrest, as he was not being arrested, or the police using excessive force to take him down, it was afterall a previous presidential candidate and current Senate member.

The guy was just another whackjob politico who believes his opinion to be so important and influential that they be forced to sit and listen to it. In a closed-event session with John Kerry. For patrons with paid tickets.

He took it upon himself to interrupt those proceedings and purposefully cause disruption socially. This isn't entirely an arrestable offense, but it definitely oversteps the boundaries of civility and common courtesy.

However, the trouble begins when he continues these antics and is tased by the police officers growing weary with his display and fearing he is becoming increasingly belligerent. To stop this they overstep the boundaries of their duties and use a "less-than-lethal" takedown tactic for violent or threatening perpetrators.

In all senses of the word, it was an overreaction, at the very best, on the part of the police. The guy did not pose an immediate physical threat -- not one any more than standard assault -- and an egregious and improper protocol was executed likely for the sake of the relative importance of the speaker there, John Kerry.

I agree with those who say the kid should not be considered a victim in that he acted only properly and within his rights as a citizen, but he most certainly is a victim of what is tantamount to excessive police force. These police will likely be treated neutrally in the incident, but more officers in this country need to realize that their guns, tasers, pepper spray, batons, and otherwise are for situations that physically demand it.

One arrogantly obstreperous, politically outspoken, and civilly disruptive young man should not warrant the use of this type of response.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Sep 21, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

scareduck, you're a douche.
I am pot smoking/surfer/hippie that probably hates cops more than you and even I admit that crazy tard deserved to get taserd.  He resisted arrest and was flailing his arms and legs like a loony on PCP.  Admit it, if that was some hard core conservitive screamming about Jesus and abortions you would've stand up and applauded.  Please say no more about this issue because you're making the intelllegent liberals in this world look really bad.

Thank you.

Go Halos.

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Sep 20, 2007 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What world do you live in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjpVC2Oogds

51 seconds in. The black policeman is only holding 1 of his hands. He stops, tries to yank his hand away from the policeman, then turns around back toward the stage and away from the door, straining to move in that direction. At that point, the police take him to the ground. If he had been trying to go toward the door, he would have gone that direction, instead of winding up with his head toward the stage.

At that point, he STILL won't listen to the officer and place his hands behind his back, so he gets tasered.

And even if he had been trying to get to the door, you don't try to rip your hand away from the police. I'm sorry, you forfeited the right to exit by yourself when you decided to be a douchebag in the first place. Now they will escort you outside, and possibly arrest you, as they deem appropriate. That's how it works. To put it in baseball terms, if a fan runs onto the field, they don't get the option of just going back to their seat and behaving. They're getting tossed out, and/or arrested.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh...
I'm sorry, you forfeited the right to exit by yourself when you decided to be a douchebag in the first place.

Oh, and when was that?  When he asked if he was being arrested, and what for?

This country has a constitution to keep little authoritarian weenies in their place.

Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Sep 19, 2007 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ain't defending scareduck here
on the issue of TaserBoy, because I have yet to see the video.

But scareduck DOES have a point about our constitution and those weenies.

by Stirrups on Sep 19, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly, you wait 'till it's all over.
i didn't read anything about him flailing his arms or telling cops to get away from him or yelling and shit. wait 'till it's all over and then file your complaints.
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to add a post that
follows the Code Of Conduct before Rev wipes clear this diary. So...

KRod!
Double-play!
Go Angels!
Anybody got playoff tickets?

by Stirrups on Sep 19, 2007 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see...
<<Oh, and when was that?  When he asked if he was being arrested, and what for?>>

When he refused to sit down when his mike was silenced. When he refused to leave when he was asked. When he resisted the polices attempts to escort him out. They weren't reading him his rights- they weren't arresting him at first. He was just being kicked out. When he resisted, he moved into impeding an officer, disturbing the peace, resisting arrest, and all sorts of other little goodies.

<<This country has a constitution to keep little authoritarian weenies in their place.>>

And you won't find "right to be a douchebag" in any of the amendments. Go right ahead and check.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Right to be a douchebag
Isn't that under the "pursuit of happiness" clause?

Seriously, though, Habeas Corpus is a weak argument in this instance. You have bought into the myth that these political scumbags really want town hall meetings to do anything more than simulate democracy. And spouting Bush Bush Bush while Kerry watched it go down (and was the one ostensibly being protected form this interloper) shows a deep ignorance of how many Hab-Corp statutes Bill Clinton eviscerated... but critiques of abuses of power don't sound cool when they are aimed away from the right...

by Rev Halofan on Sep 19, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Habeus Corpus?
Look, first off, if anything what they violated were his due process rights, or they were guilty of using excessive force (they didn't, and they weren't, but still)- neither one has a relation to Habeus Corpus, which is your right to appear before a judge and have a trial. It's not a weak argument, it just doesn't apply.

Second, Kerry wasn't being protected from anything. He kept right on answering the question. The student organization who had organized and were in charge of the proceedings were the ones who had the student tossed out. Kerry had no control over it. He "watched it go down" because the student organization HAD THE AUTHORITY to toss the guy out.

Third, don't even try to compare Clinton and Bush where abuses of power are concerned. Clinton did not abolish habeus corpus for non-citizens and broadly expand the powers of the government to spy on its own people. Clinton also didn't have the NSA conduct illegal wire tapping on US citizens while ignoring the presence of a court SPECIFICALLY CREATED to approve emergency wire taps of that nature.

Clinton also didn't appoint total incompetents to every important cabinet post, who then abused and mishandled their own power in turn. Finally, Clinton did not manipulate our intelligence services for the purposes of lying to the public and starting a war based on false pretenses, then gather periodic support for that war using fear-tactics.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 20, 2007 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember this video, too
I think I even commented on it on collegehumor or some such site.

It was the same situation, just some uppity kid raising his voice; somehow, police in this country believe a loud, clear assertion of your rights and/or questioning of the police's imposition is equal in all respects to resisting.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Sep 21, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did John Kerry put in for another Purple Heart
after being "injured" by the kid's questions?  Time to call in the swift boat vets

by PieceOfAase on Sep 19, 2007 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clearly...
This kid did not watch Chris Rock enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zXlytv01c

He's inviolation of at least 4 of those principles.

Didn't use common sense.

Didn't stop immediately.

Wasn't polite.

Didn't shut the f### up.

Thus, he got his ass kicked by the police.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Um... Okay?
~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 19, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not you, Zu
i'm speaking in general and making a self-depreciating joke.

by rbrianc on Sep 19, 2007 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. Got it. ^_^
~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 20, 2007 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't get it.
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Sep 19, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just see a lot of that here, even at HH
Didn't use common sense.

Didn't stop immediately.

Wasn't polite.

Didn't shut the f### up.

Thus, he got his ass kicked by the police.

tongue in cheek, but i'm sure a few people understand.

by rbrianc on Sep 19, 2007 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the police looked like they overreacted
but that kid was an upright asshole.  i might have tased him myself given the chance.  john kerry seemed cool with it though and sounded eager to answer his questions which is pretty damn respectable in my opinion.

by Of Angels and Angles on Sep 19, 2007 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A year and a half at U.C. Santa Cruz
and I learned precisely ONE thing my entire time there.

And that is that every single college-aged kid that has ever been tasered or otherwise assaulted by police during a protest, public demonstration, or disturbance complaint has 100% deserved it.

This is a complete fact.

http://kotchatthebat.livejournal.com/

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 19, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go SLUGS!
Yo CKOD: When were you there?

Slug from '82 thru '84!

Halos and Tribe have the best records in Baseball!  Eat my shorts, East Coast Media!!!!

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Sep 19, 2007 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The '04-'05 year
and then fall quarter of '05.  I transfered to Scarlet Knight country now.  Home of nappy headed hoes, pale chicks, and guys who take pride in being crass, foul mouthed trash, BAY-BIE!
http://kotchatthebat.livejournal.com/

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 19, 2007 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best line ever:
"DON'T TASE ME BRO!"
I should be working right now...

by thrill000 on Sep 19, 2007 6:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell, out here in Huntington Beach we call what
that kid got "preferential treatment."

Dude should've been curbed, then tasered, then curbed again.

by PieceOfAase on Sep 20, 2007 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That shit was crazy........
I wonder if Kerry and Bush are in the same secret colt.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Sep 20, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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